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KasinoKing

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That is utter bollox - and FAR too common these days :mad:
Surely it would be a shorter list if they just said which slots DO count at 100%!

It's beyond stupid and I wish CM would remove Accreditation from any casino spouting bullshit like this.

KK
 

Tirilej

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That is utter bollox - and FAR too common these days :mad:
Surely it would be a shorter list if they just said which slots DO count at 100%!

It's beyond stupid and I wish CM would remove Accreditation from any casino spouting bullshit like this.

KK

I wonder if Bryan can't at least make them go through a second BBF or something. There are others like Ikibu that also have really awful bonus rules.
If he doesn't want that then it should be warning signs in their review....and really low points.

@Casinomeister maybe something to look into?
 

brianmon

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I wonder if Bryan can't at least make them go through a second BBF or something. There are others like Ikibu that also have really awful bonus rules.
If he doesn't want that then it should be warning signs in their review....and really low points.

@Casinomeister maybe something to look into?
CasinoLuck, NextCasino and WildSlots should be put through the BBF anyway. They initially said they were just changing platforms from EveryMatrix.
But ever since that change it's become pretty clear that it was actually a takeover by AG.
Bit by bit they replaced the original promotional and general T&C with the standard AG T&C. Until now they are identical and just another AG site.

The clause mentioned previously proves this
  • The "Welcome bonus" is limited to one bonus per household. Aspire Global operates a number of casino brands ("Aspire Global's brands") and reserves the right to limit the number of Welcome Bonuses that may be taken up by a player across Aspire Global's brands in the following way. By claiming this welcome bonus offer at CasinoLuck , you are prohibited from claiming a welcome bonus at other Aspire Global's brands. Any attempt to try to deceive management by registering multiple accounts within Aspire Global's brands in order to gain bonus money, may be deemed as bonus abuse and may result in the account(s) being suspended and the removal of your funds. For list of Aspire Global's brands
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If they were independent and only using the AG platform, then why would CasinoLuck be bothered about anyone taking a bonus at another AG site?
 

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Thanks for that link to their websites so we know which ones to avoid:thumbsup:

Except for Karamba I've never recieved so much spam for a casino as from MrPlay. I simply hate them:mad:
 

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It seems that certain sites forced to offer UK players a separate non-tied cash-bonus account by the UKGC are now sneaking in these reduced WR contribution slots so that they can sound competitive with headline statements of 'ONLY 35xB wagering...' so make sure you are all aware of this BS. :eek2:

I really don't understand casinos' thinking behind this. Ok you can cashout if you don't use the bonus funds at all.
But it's actually harder to get through the bonus now, even with the original wagering and restrictions.

If you take 32Red as an example. Since they're probably the most straightforward

Previously 30xB, cash and bonus locked for a £100 and 100% bonus that would be £3000 wagering or more importantly 15x your starting balance of £200.

Now 30xB cash and bonus separate, for a £100 and 100% bonus that would be still be £3000 wagering. But now since they're not locked, 30x your starting balance of £100. Because wagering doesn't start until you hit the bonus money.

So it's same wagering but half the balance to get through it.

It just shows how much they were previously relying on deposits being trapped by wagering
 

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Numerous casinos do this shit and it's plain misleading and wrong. I know the EGO sites do this and only their in-house Green Valley slots count 100% yet they still base their advertised WR on those few games and NOT the majority. I have had a few arguments with aff managers about this, funnily enough today Wixstars were asking 'why don't I push them?' and I can paste you a Skype conversation from earlier:

(There is previous history to this; I was promised a 25xD+B wagering for my players, less than the 35xD+B at that time and they made a special landing page for me, only for me to discover that my players were in fact STILL being given the old one. I got some serious shit for that so after giving them a bollocking I simple shoved them down and didn't bother pushing them. They aren't rogue, players say they get paid quick enough and without hassle but the bonus terms aren't great.)

X: How are you?
ME: Fine ta, you?
X: Good to hear - we improved significantly the wagering terms to x35 times deposit
X: Right, do you think you can give us another push as you did last time? the results were quite good :)
ME: When I check the terms yes - some casinos state 35x then you find it doesn't apply to many games as they only contribute 50% to wagering. As long as I don't find a silly amount of reduced games then I can give a another pcuh.
ME: Push sorry.
X: ok, let me check if I can create a bonus especially for your account that will contribute 100% on all games
ME: My viewers are far too savvy to not check the terms thoroughly and pull me up on any hidden nasties which as I explained before is why I'm very careful what I promote...
X: I understand and that's why I'll check with our CRM if we can set this type of bonus
ME: OK

Now notice as soon as I mentioned the 50% slots (they tried tucking me up once before as I explained that's why I was immediately looking at my BS detector there!) the manager vanishes to 'see if he can create a special for me'.......:rolleyes:

It seems that certain sites forced to offer UK players a separate non-tied cash-bonus account by the UKGC are now sneaking in these reduced WR contribution slots so that they can sound competitive with headline statements of 'ONLY 35xB wagering...' so make sure you are all aware of this BS. :eek2:


Thats an interesting point.

Specifically interesting as Wixstars, Karamba and the rest of the Aspire Global group etc are STILL not adhering to the UKGC ruling on not tying your bonus to your account, even on request with chat, and even on reminder of the UKGC rules.

So to illustrate, if I deposit £100 with a £50 bonus, and win on my 5th spin, I still have to wager through the £150 35 times, and cannot withdraw the cash amount, even though I have not touched the bonus.

Completely at odds with the UKGC rules.

IMHO that is a bigger deal breaker than the contribution on the games.
 

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If you take 32Red as an example. Since they're probably the most straightforward

Previously 30xB, cash and bonus locked for a £100 and 100% bonus that would be £3000 wagering or more importantly 15x your starting balance of £200.

Now 30xB cash and bonus separate, for a £100 and 100% bonus that would be still be £3000 wagering. But now since they're not locked, 30x your starting balance of £100. Because wagering doesn't start until you hit the bonus money.

Hi Brianmon,

Thanks for your post.

I am pretty sure that's not correct, wagering does start as soon as you have got the bonus, not when you're only left with the bonus. Unless MG have changed something I am not aware of.

Mark
 

brianmon

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Hi Brianmon,

Thanks for your post.

I am pretty sure that's not correct, wagering does start as soon as you have got the bonus, not when you're only left with the bonus. Unless MG have changed something I am not aware of.

Mark
Sorry about that Mark. I didn't check your bonus terms before posting. I now see that 32Red has opted for a similar kind of bonus system as Casumo have, which I actually think is the fairest.
I was only using 32Red as an example, since they have a fairly low wagering, and very few restrictions.

But the example still stands for the many other casino who have now split the cash and bonus balances, without changing the wagering. Where the wagering doesn't start until you start using the bonus money
 

LadyJelena

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Hi Brianmon,

Thanks for your post.

I am pretty sure that's not correct, wagering does start as soon as you have got the bonus, not when you're only left with the bonus. Unless MG have changed something I am not aware of.

Mark

Wow Mark! Do you have some kind of program that beeps every time 32Red is mentioned? :)
I'm impressed!!
 

Mark_32Red (retired acct)

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Wow Mark! Do you have some kind of program that beeps every time 32Red is mentioned? :)
I'm impressed!!

He he, no, but I have some CM friends who keep me on my toes. They know who they are. :)

Beep on brand mention sounds good though. Perhaps one for the list @Casinomeister :)

Mark
 

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I believe he have more friends in here.
I only beep when I think he should read something, which in fact I did in this case so you weren't that wrong:p
i do the same - there's times ill pm a rep im friendly with if i see a heads up post. It's nice these days you can @ someone too.
Of course, reps just need to type their casino in the search bar when they log in and it shows them all the threads theyre mentioned in :p
 

Tirilej

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i do the same - there's times ill pm a rep im friendly with if i see a heads up post. It's nice these days you can @ someone too.
Of course, reps just need to type their casino in the search bar when they log in and it shows them all the threads theyre mentioned in :p

That's true, so really I just need to give a heads up if I see someone hasn't logged in for a while. Some I even have to message at Facebook to get their asses in here:D
It's time I stop caring so much and leave this place alone, but I've said that too many times now so I guess no one will believe me:oops:
 
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