London terror attack

[ternur]

As I suspected:

Boris Johnson is facing a court battle over his bid to keep terrorists in prison by scrapping automatic early release.

Legal experts say emergency legislation being pushed through by the government will 'certainly' be challenged, as it would retrospectively change the terms of individuals who have already been sentenced.

People who have been sentenced or committed a crime previous to legislation change cannot be held in prison using the new legislation so Boris will have a hard time keeping prisoners in jail for longer and surprise it's the wealthy lawyers who once again are on the side of the criminals.

This is a basic principle of rule of law -- ex post facto laws (esp. in criminal law) are generally prohibited.

In any decent society legal consequences (and the fact if an act is a crime or not) need to be known when the act is committed.

 

[steveh35]

This is a basic principle of rule of law -- ex post facto laws (esp. in criminal law) are generally prohibited.

In any decent society legal consequences (and the fact if an act is a crime or not) need to be known when the act is committed.

It happens in sexual abuse cases if you committed a sex abuse case in 1977 you would get a completely different sentence to once done in 2011 as you could be charged in future with something that wasn't considered that bad in years gone by.

This law is especially prevalent at the moment with some many things we do now seen as bad compared to 30 or 40 years ago if the principle didn't exist you could be charged with something you did in 1980s that is now seen as bad.

So Boris will have a tough time changing the law for those already in prison and serving a sentence.

 

[ternur]

It happens in sexual abuse cases if you committed a sex abuse case in 1977 you would get a completely different sentence to once done in 2011 as you could be charged in future with something that wasn't considered that bad in years gone by.

This law is especially prevalent at the moment with some many things we do now seen as bad compared to 30 or 40 years ago if the principle didn't exist you could be charged with something you did in 1980s that is now seen as bad.

So Boris will have a tough time changing the law for those already in prison and serving a sentence.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.

According to the Oxford Dictionary of Law, retrospective (or retroactive) legislation is:

Legislation that operates on matters taking place before its enactment, e.g. by penalizing conduct that was lawful when it occurred. There is a presumption that statutes are not intended to have retroactive effect unless they merely change legal procedure.

ICCP 15 Article:

1. No one shall be held guilty of any criminal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a criminal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time when the criminal offence was committed. If, subsequent to the commission of the offence, provision is made by law for the imposition of the lighter penalty, the offender shall benefit thereby.
2. Nothing in this article shall prejudice the trial and punishment of any person for any act or omission which, at the time when it was committed, was criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the community of nations.

 

[goatwack]

Here is the attacker, 'Sudesh Amman'



His father: "I told him not to be naughty"

 

[interlog]

Off to the CM meet shortly.

Just been to the shop to buy a bullet and stab proof vest so I will be the guy that comes along all padded out.

 

[Borgie]

Off to the CM meet shortly.

Just been to the shop to buy a bullet and stab proof vest so I will be the guy that comes along all padded out.

I know CM members can be a bit "bitey" lol but unlikely to stab or shoot you ermmm i think.