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Bitch and Moan Loco Panda & Grand Parker casinos

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Non-Bonus Issues' started by KMFL2013, Dec 26, 2013.

    Dec 26, 2013
  1. KMFL2013

    KMFL2013 Newbie member

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    I'm new to online gambling and even newer to CM. So I hope I'm in the correct section for the type of post I'm about to dispense.

    Over the past 5-6 days, I have spent no less than $1000 ($500 @ each above casino) and the entirety of that money was deposited in $100 increments. That is, I'd make a $100 deposit @ Loco for example, then play til I eventually hit $0. Then over to GP and did the same thing. Back n' forth. And while I'm new to online gambling, I'm certainly no stranger to gambling in general, and without a doubt am not the best poker player, but am versed enough to have experience in both winning and losing outings.

    But while playing online @ the above 2 casinos, with each $100 dep, for the entirety of each of those individual instances, only 2 times did I ever achieve a dollar amount winnings exceeding $200. Had I known then what I believe to be true now, I would have cashed out the moment I made my initial deposit back. But foolishly, I just kept pumping money into each casino (playing video poker, jacks or better the entire time) everytime I reached zero balance. I initially wrote it off as just bad luck, cuz, after all, this IS gambling and you win some, you lose some. But I don't see how it's possible that I could CONSISTENTLY lose the entire deposit and only on two instances did I even get north of $200, all of which, of course, I subsequently also lost.

    Then, the last time I made a deposit, instead of paying attention to how much I was winning or in fact losing, I sorta kept track of just exactly what cards were being dealt to me again and again. It was then I realized that I suppose their software is pre-programmed to deliver the following combination of almost no way to win cards. About 80-90% of my hands dealt to me were as follows... 2 matching low number cards, one face card and then usually another number card just far enough away from the 2 low matching cards so as to not be able to consider holding all 3 number cards for a possible straight of straight flush. So then the question is, do I save the low number pair, or the single face card. Doesn't matter which you choose, almost ALWAYS it's a losing choice. It genuinely appeared to be essentially the same matrix and combination of cards only mixing up the different numbers used. The format was consistent again and again and again. Of course every now and then, a decent winning hand, but even that more or less just seemed to appear to either keep me playing or trick me into thinking my luck was changing. Whatever the case, there were times, quite frequently, in fact, that I would lose 15 or even 20 straight hands. I mean, again, I know this is gambling and you win some and lose some, but no random system on earth would (by laws of probability) allow for such a continuous string of losing hands. And if it were to legitimately occur, why then was there NEVER once any occurrence of the same number of winning hands (in a row I mean). I think 2-3 times in that $1000 I spent did I ever win more than 2 consecutive hands. One time 3 straight hands, but even then, it was a bullshit $5-10 gain, usually just enough to get back a given wager on a hand (usually playing $1 maxed out so $5 bets).

    Anyway, perhaps it was just a rude awakening and it was indeed bad luck, but I've NEVER EVER had such a terrible string of consistently bad hands and consequently lost so much money so quickly.
     
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  2. Dec 26, 2013
  3. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

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    well i think betting 5$ { (usually playing $1 maxed out so $5 bet } so i think this level might be one in the same as all bets @
    5$ to compensate for the royal 4,000x1$

    my thoughts are that the .25 cent bets x5=1.25 royal = 4000x.25 cents could easily deliver more win % @ this level

    just my thought at the moment R C
     
  4. Dec 26, 2013
  5. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Both those casinos use RTG software.
    All information posted on this forum over the last 9 years indicates that the individual casinos can not "fiddle" with the results each game gives.
    They can request that the RTP% of each game be set to a certain level (within pre-defined limits), but it is RTG themselves, not the casino, who actually change the settings.
    It is not in anyone's interest for casinos to provide games which appear obviously "rigged".

    I personally don't play Video Poker very often, so I am not in a position to judge on that specific topic.

    The only thing for you to do if you don't trust this particular brand of software, is avoid all the casinos which use it.
    There is a big list of these on the "Accredited Casinos" tab at the top of this page - the last option on the drop-down list.

    KK
     
  6. Dec 26, 2013
  7. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    These 2 casinos are not exactly plum choices and should you win loads eg getting a sequential royal flush in Joker Poker you might have trouble getting paid in a timely manner. Having such a terrible run and quitting them may well prove to be a blessing in disguise.

    A decade or so ago I was an avid fan of Video Poker at this software. I hit several royal flushes and 4 deuces and basically the return was close to 97%. I started to distrust the software when the provider dished out seals of approval to rogue casinos in particular the Vegas strip of casinos and though I still play its mainly slots and at the minimal bet sizes. Operators are allowed too much free rein and it would not surprise me if they have a say in the settings ie percentage return to players. I don't have proof so I think it best to tret it as entertainment and keep your bets as low as possible.
     
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  8. Dec 26, 2013
  9. rena35

    rena35 Senior Member

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    I always wondered was that group rogue or not recommended.
     
  10. Dec 26, 2013
  11. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

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    1- my thoughts are that all .25cent bet size per column are separate [ and random amongst them selves]

    2- all other denominated game stakes are like wise separate and random among them selves

    3- so more .25 cent betters = more .25 cent royal flushes in that group of bet size if it is a more popular choice

    4 my reason to think this is that its still random picks inside of a frame to keep the advertised $% SAY 98% CONSTANT
    among the diferent levels of bets [ this rewards the player and protects the casino ]

    my thoughts
     
  12. Dec 26, 2013
  13. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

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    In my experience video poker is a drain.

    It's basically like playing a slot that has only 1 or 2 good prizes and the rest amounts to a slow trickle of funds from you to them.

    What the OP describes as a low pair showing up frequently seems consistent with what everybody probably gets but I bet you will find you get a pair of specifically jacks just as of as you get a pair or specifically threes. There is only 13 pair values available and only 4 of them pay (in jacks or better) and those only pay even money.

    You are basically playing for a royal flush and the odds of that including the draw are about one in 4 million (according to the Wizard of Odds).

    I have been playing different variations of cards my whole life and I have only had one royal flush and that was on Pogo Games which pays zero.

    All that being said IMO the OP should certainly find a more reputable place to play.
     
  14. Dec 26, 2013
  15. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

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    GOOD ANSWER:thumbsup: but i must be lucky becase if you searched my ss posts [low rolling .25 cent mostly ] i have more than i can remember of royal or AAAA or 2222A in the video poker games even the bonos games

    but not the total comes close to $4000
    my .02 cents

    PS im still a video poker player but not a marathon one :)
     
  16. Dec 26, 2013
  17. albrco123

    albrco123 "Wish i could Re-" Member

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    I always thought the only way to change the RTP on a VP was to alter the paytable?, a good way to tell is to look at the payout for a Full House i have seen as low as 6x and as high as 9x for JOB

    Al
     
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  19. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

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    your technical correct my experience is that there are propriety owned games that pay better because there programed to :)
     
  20. Dec 26, 2013
  21. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    AFAIK the frequency is about 1 RF every 40,000 hands.

    4 million might be only for sequential royals.


    Four million is way too high and would make VP a
     
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  22. Dec 26, 2013
  23. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

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    You are correct sir, my bad. I think that was for sequential.

    Found this on Vegas Chatter;

    You'll get a Royal Flush once in 40,388 full pay (9/6) Jacks or Better games.

    Holding 2 cards the odds of the next 3 completing a Royal Flush are 1 in 16,215.

    If you hold 1 card to a Royal Flush playing 9/6 Jacks or Better the probability of getting a Royal Flush is 1 in 1,186,106.


    Still, I can't seem to win on it!
     
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  24. Dec 26, 2013
  25. SlotsLover

    SlotsLover Senior Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred3 MM PABinit PABaccred

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    I understand how operators can change the RTP on slots as I believe we've been told (and seen) how reels and symbols can be changed. But I'm not sure what it is that you are implying about the honesty of the software regarding video poker. The RTP at videopoker is determined by the paytable, unless you somehow believe they are not dealing a random game. Is that what you believe?


     
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  26. Dec 26, 2013
  27. KMFL2013

    KMFL2013 Newbie member

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    ----
    Not to be rude, but either I didn't understand your wording or your logic. Either way, it didn't make sense to me really??
     
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  29. KMFL2013

    KMFL2013 Newbie member

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    I'm impressed at the sheer AMOUNT of responses, and mostly good information to boot. That vs. a truckload of opinions. So thanks for that
     
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  31. KMFL2013

    KMFL2013 Newbie member

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    UPDATE: I am now convinced that the software (RTG) has some sort of altering or rigging in some capacity, because the hand patterns were just to consistently bad and far beyond what could easily be justified as simply a run of poor luck. I don't mind losing, I HATE being scammed!!

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  33. KMFL2013

    KMFL2013 Newbie member

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    That's precisely what I believe.
     
  34. Dec 27, 2013
  35. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

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    sir
    KMFL2013





    ahh does this post was just under that one make it any clearer

    PS not trying to be rude , i believe each betting level is treated exclusivly on its own [ compounded if it's a proprietary software ] as they can program them like slots

    proviso i believe i have more royal flushes posted on this forum to put me in first place
     
  36. Dec 27, 2013
  37. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

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    According to You must register/login in order to see the link., some of the video poker machines in Las Vegas got a positive expected RTP when you bet 5 coins. I havent looked much into it, but would be fun to get it confirmed. I guess one would have to be a billionare with alot of time to take any advantage of it though.
     
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  38. Dec 27, 2013
  39. SlotsLover

    SlotsLover Senior Member PABnorogue PABnononaccred3 MM PABinit PABaccred

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    This is true and it depends completely upon the paytable. Such machines have a very large payout for the jackpot which only pays with max coin.
     

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