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Live Online Casino Card Counting - Risk to Casino

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by ratplay2007, May 17, 2015.

    May 17, 2015
  1. ratplay2007

    ratplay2007 Dormant account

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    I just tried online live BJ and seems to be very good. Much better than I expected as I thought it would suck . But how do they catch people who are counting cards?
     
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  3. onkel

    onkel Experienced Member PABnonaccred

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    I think they stop card counting's usefulness by a) have a huge shoe with many decks, and b) shuffle the shoe frequently
     
  4. May 17, 2015
  5. ratplay2007

    ratplay2007 Dormant account

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    But still with the factors that you list surely someone good at card counting still has a big advantage
     
  6. May 17, 2015
  7. onkel

    onkel Experienced Member PABnonaccred

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    No, let's say they have 12 decks and shuffle every 10 hands - the advantage to be gained, regardless of how skilled you are as a card counter, is miniscule.
     
  8. May 17, 2015
  9. ratplay2007

    ratplay2007 Dormant account

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    Lol I obviously know jack about counting cards . That makes sense. I was just playing and thought to myself they were open to people counting but I see what you mean.
     
  10. May 18, 2015
  11. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    I do not play card games but did read that they use many of decks & shuffle often, Also note that we are not sitting at in a middle of a casino here with people surrounding us, So I guess there will be people trying it with such software,
     
  12. May 18, 2015
  13. MightyDuck

    MightyDuck Experienced Member

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    If you ever seriously occupied yourself with that topic you will instantly note that Live-BJ indeed is prone to card-counting.

    When you do this in b&m casinos you have to use simplified methods like Hi-Lo. Doing this at home in a Live-OC you can do this much more sophistaced. You can literally count every card, put it into an excel sheet which will adapt the optimal strategy and give you your estimated (negative) house edge.
    Obviously the operators will have developed counter-measures. Big swings in bet-size especially shortly before shuffling will generate quite some heat.

    To answer your question:
    Yes you can theoretically speaking card-count and do quite some profit, BUT
    not for a very long time.

    edit: They usually have a penetration of ~3,5/6 decks which is quite bad but still beatable.
     
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  15. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    You can also clean up if you have an Eidetic Memory:D What I wouldn't give for a photographic memory.:p
     
  16. May 19, 2015
  17. neilw

    neilw Moderator of Live Games forum CAG MM webmeister

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    Minimum number of decks in live Blackjack is 6, which you'll find at Net Entertainment and Visionary Igaming live casinos. All the rest of the suppliers use 8 decks. Counter measures such as shuffling the shoe after 4 decks have been dealt, using a Shufflemaster (new shoe after each hand), the use of burn cards before each shoe and before each hand have been introduced to ruin the "count" for card counters. Therefore any perceived additional player edge will be flawed if you're counting in this environment.
     

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