Live Online Casino Card Counting - Risk to Casino

[ratplay2007]

I just tried online live BJ and seems to be very good. Much better than I expected as I thought it would suck . But how do they catch people who are counting cards?

 

[onkel]

I think they stop card counting's usefulness by a) have a huge shoe with many decks, and b) shuffle the shoe frequently

 

[ratplay2007]

But still with the factors that you list surely someone good at card counting still has a big advantage

 

[onkel]

But still with the factors that you list surely someone good at card counting still has a big advantage

No, let's say they have 12 decks and shuffle every 10 hands - the advantage to be gained, regardless of how skilled you are as a card counter, is miniscule.

 

[ratplay2007]

Lol I obviously know jack about counting cards . That makes sense. I was just playing and thought to myself they were open to people counting but I see what you mean.

 

[spintee]

I do not play card games but did read that they use many of decks & shuffle often, Also note that we are not sitting at in a middle of a casino here with people surrounding us, So I guess there will be people trying it with such software,

 

[MightyDuck]

If you ever seriously occupied yourself with that topic you will instantly note that Live-BJ indeed is prone to card-counting.

When you do this in b&m casinos you have to use simplified methods like Hi-Lo. Doing this at home in a Live-OC you can do this much more sophistaced. You can literally count every card, put it into an excel sheet which will adapt the optimal strategy and give you your estimated (negative) house edge.
Obviously the operators will have developed counter-measures. Big swings in bet-size especially shortly before shuffling will generate quite some heat.

To answer your question:
Yes you can theoretically speaking card-count and do quite some profit, BUT
not for a very long time.

edit: They usually have a penetration of ~3,5/6 decks which is quite bad but still beatable.

 

[Dinahnana]

If you ever seriously occupied yourself with that topic you will instantly note that Live-BJ indeed is prone to card-counting.

When you do this in b&m casinos you have to use simplified methods like Hi-Lo. Doing this at home in a Live-OC you can do this much more sophistaced. You can literally count every card, put it into an excel sheet which will adapt the optimal strategy and give you your estimated (negative) house edge.
Obviously the operators will have developed counter-measures. Big swings in bet-size especially shortly before shuffling will generate quite some heat.

To answer your question:
Yes you can theoretically speaking card-count and do quite some profit, BUT
not for a very long time.

edit: They usually have a penetration of ~3,5/6 decks which is quite bad but still beatable.

You can also clean up if you have an Eidetic Memory What I wouldn't give for a photographic memory.

 

[neilw]

They usually have a penetration of ~3,5/6 decks which is quite bad but still beatable.

Minimum number of decks in live Blackjack is 6, which you'll find at Net Entertainment and Visionary Igaming live casinos. All the rest of the suppliers use 8 decks. Counter measures such as shuffling the shoe after 4 decks have been dealt, using a Shufflemaster (new shoe after each hand), the use of burn cards before each shoe and before each hand have been introduced to ruin the "count" for card counters. Therefore any perceived additional player edge will be flawed if you're counting in this environment.