New Slot Announcement LIL' DEVIL by Big Time Gaming...

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mack341

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It's an evil game, though the song is catchy and decent. When I first played it I seemed to recall getting a normal 3 scatter bonus quite a few times, which helped preserve my balance through the slog, but later times when I had another attempt, hardly any bonuses other than the final one :rolleyes:

On 10p stake if it goes mental in the final heart bonus, what is the kind of money you could win?
 

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It's an evil game, though the song is catchy and decent. When I first played it I seemed to recall getting a normal 3 scatter bonus quite a few times, which helped preserve my balance through the slog, but later times when I had another attempt, hardly any bonuses other than the final one :rolleyes:

On 10p stake if it goes mental in the final heart bonus, what is the kind of money you could win?
It has paid out more than 100 000x and a couple between 10 000 - 50 000x
But a more realistic mental bonus would probably be somewhere around 5000-10 000x, or £500-1000 on 10p stake.

I dont know how it looks % wise to get that kind of hit on Doa2 vs lil devil, but lately ive been playing more of Doa2 because i think the basegame is a bit kinder.
Most bonuses are of course shit when taking the high noon option, but same goes for lil devil bonuses, even the heartstopper frequently pays out only 5-20x
 

mack341

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It has paid out more than 100 000x and a couple between 10 000 - 50 000x
But a more realistic mental bonus would probably be somewhere around 5000-10 000x, or £500-1000 on 10p stake.

I dont know how it looks % wise to get that kind of hit on Doa2 vs lil devil, but lately ive been playing more of Doa2 because i think the basegame is a bit kinder.
Most bonuses are of course shit when taking the high noon option, but same goes for lil devil bonuses, even the heartstopper frequently pays out only 5-20x

Oh it's worth a go then on 10p, didn't realise it was that capable, and hopefully obtaining all the hearts doesn't cost a bomb on 10p. I might give it a go, but then you need about 3 hrs!
 

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Oh it's worth a go then on 10p, didn't realise it was that capable, and hopefully obtaining all the hearts doesn't cost a bomb on 10p. I might give it a go, but then you need about 3 hrs!
I have a collection going on 3-4 sites.
Only ever give it €5 at a time at most. Sometimes that gives you 0 hearts, sometimes you can collect alot of them.
Once in a while you luck out and land a good bonus.

I think two of them are around 30-35 hearts, so getting close to the heartstopper.
Takes forever to get there, but the heartstopper is only a little bit better than normal features, so its really not worth chasing.

I dont know if you saw the breakdown of the features that @The Reel Story did.
Shows you how the reels look on normal features compared to heartstopper ones.
Biggest difference is that the symbols are a bit more focused around reel 3&4, so getting an angel out is more likely on the heartstopper.
Ill link the thread below.

Lil' Devil Technical Analysis - Best Symbol on Be My Angel & Heartstopper etc - Casinomeister - Forum

Edit: Also, the bad symbols (premiums) are quite a bit better on the heartstopper compared to normal bonuses.
 
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mack341

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I have a collection going on 3-4 sites.
Only ever give it €5 at a time at most. Sometimes that gives you 0 hearts, sometimes you can collect alot of them.
Once in a while you luck out and land a good bonus.

I think two of them are around 30-35 hearts, so getting close to the heartstopper.
Takes forever to get there, but the heartstopper is only a tiny tiny bit better than normal features, so its really not worth chasing.

I dont know if you saw the breakdown of the features that @The Reel Story did.
Shows you how the reels look on normal features compared to heartstopper ones.
Biggest difference is that the symbols are a bit more focused around reel 3&4, so getting an angel out is more likely on the heartstopper.
Ill link the thread below.

Lil' Devil Technical Analysis - Best Symbol on Be My Angel & Heartstopper etc - Casinomeister - Forum

I'll have a look at that cheers, I wondered how the two different bonuses compared and which was really the best for potential. My problem when I decide to dip my toe in, is I find I can't leave it when It's mullered my balance, I keep telling myself a bonus will land soon and the base game will improve, it never does and I just spend 3hrs or more cursing at the screen and singing alternative lyrics to that song! :laugh:
 

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I'll have a look at that cheers, I wondered how the two different bonuses compared and which was really the best for potential. My problem when I decide to dip my toe in, is I find I can't leave it when It's mullered my balance, I keep telling myself a bonus will land soon and the base game will improve, it never does and I just spend 3hrs or more cursing at the screen and singing alternative lyrics to that song! :laugh:
The breakdown is only comparing the Be my angel bonus, heartstopper vs normal feature.
For the monsterwins, (say 50 000x+) i think you almost have to choose that feature.
I cant see the dynamite one ever delivering such a win.
 

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Oh it's worth a go then on 10p, didn't realise it was that capable, and hopefully obtaining all the hearts doesn't cost a bomb on 10p. I might give it a go, but then you need about 3 hrs!

Because I'm insane and also because this is my favorite slot (it replaced original DoA for me) I've done more than 1500 recorded bonuses on this one. Here's some stats to give you an idea:

1210 Be my Angel bonuses, of which 320 were heartstopper bonuses. So you average about 3 regular bonuses per 40 hearts. Can be 0, can be 11.
Overall average | 107x
Overall average without my 29.555x win | 85x (you can see how you always go broke if you don't get a once in a lifetime win)

<10x | 89 (7%)
<30x | 581 (48%)
<50x | 879 (73%)

>100x | 228 (19%)
>500x | 27
>1.000x | 11 (0,9%)
>3.000x | 5
>5.000x | 3
>10.000x | 1 (29.555x)

So about 1 in 5 is over 100x, 1 in 100 is over 1.000x and 1 in 1000 is over 10.000x. My sample is well over a million spins I guess, so it's probably pretty close to what they intended.

Least common symbol: J (87x or 7%)
Most common symbol: Lizard (178x or 15%)
Average stake: €2,50 (pure luck that my insane win was on 2x my average stake instead of 2x less for instance)
Profit/loss: 16.026x profit (average profit per heartstopper cycle 50x)
Again, without that insane win it would be 13.529x loss (average loss per cycle: 42x)

So be careful and try to have fun ;)
More questions? Go ahead, maybe I have some numbers for you.

Still waiting for that video from @Big Time Gaming by the way.
 

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Here's a strange one, two days ago I was playing lil devil on videlots on four different screens as I usually do. When I got to about 11 Hearts short of the top I noticed that when I got a hearstoppers on one screen it didn't register on any of the others, it usually does add on each right away, kept playing thinking it will sort itself out, so after 4 more hearts. They still weren't progressing up the ladder, I decided to close 3 of the screens and refresh the last page. The hearstoppers where still at 11 to go meaning the last 5 Hearts where not added to the count, so be aware if playing more than one screen as it might do the same to you.
 

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so today after another awful session I asked to the casino my overall numbers. They did not want to give me at first, but after a while I could have some.
27,xx% RTP on 15k spins.
Ok I know 15k spins is nothing, but 27% is brutal.
In these 15k spins I had 3 times the natural bonus game: 1X, 1,7X, 2X.
I had also 3 times hartstopper bonus: 0X (yes its a zero its not a typo), 1X, 80X.

TBH I think that BTG is offering their games to our market with different settings, I also think that generally speaking this is a problem which should warn all providers. When you project a game that has a big part of its RTP in the bonus game, then it's becoming dangerous to offer it to "poor" markets. Those are the results. Then the casino operators have to do acrobacies to explain the "you have been unlucky" theory.

Now, lesson learnt and rant over: I won't touch any BTG game anymore in my life.
 

snorky510238

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Strange how BTG games were taken down in April and given a revamp. Once they came back, it was very noticeable, they had all changed for the worse.

Was it just a coincidence that all happened at the same time EVOLUTION took them over?
 

orion

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better I shut up, don't want to write something I could regret in future.
it's not for the money (yes I know my hobby can be negative for my finances - I am in control of myself and there is no problem), it's because I feel cheated.
 

snorky510238

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better I shut up, don't want to write something I could regret in future.
it's not for the money (yes I know my hobby can be negative for my finances - I am in control of myself and there is no problem), it's because I feel cheated.
Yeah, the exact same reason as I have quit. Take a look at the Bonanza thread and you will find quite a few saying the same thing.
 

orion

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Yeah, the exact same reason as I have quit. Take a look at the Bonanza thread and you will find quite a few saying the same thing.
as about the B game, I can tell you that some years ago I spun (?) more than 900,000 spins on it.
on italian casinos, mainly.
:eek2:
my target was to arrive to 1,000,000 spins before doing some serious consideration about RTP numbers. I remember there was an active member here "lockinlove", who was doing a similar thing, and I took from her the 1 mio sample as a magic number.
I did quit before since I asked the personal RTP on 900,000+++ and I understood how I was wasting my money and my time.

Stupid me who played again a BTG game. I can only blame myself. I knew already what dish they are serving.
 

snorky510238

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as about the B game, I can tell you that some years ago I spun (?) more than 900,000 spins on it.
on italian casinos, mainly.
:eek2:
my target was to arrive to 1,000,000 spins before doing some serious consideration about RTP numbers. I remember there was an active member here "lockinlove", who was doing a similar thing, and I took from her the 1 mio sample as a magic number.
I did quit before since I asked the personal RTP on 900,000+++ and I understood how I was wasting my money and my time.

Stupid me who played again a BTG game. I can only blame myself. I knew already what dish they are serving.
I remember you posting about that at the time and it seemed absolutely shocking to me. Almost like you were playing a rogue version that had been doctored as well. I seem to remember you were doing a crazy amount of spins without a bonus.

That’s another thing, if you look around the forum, where are all the big hits from BTG games? They have virtually all just miraculously disappeared. Even millionaire and Opal Fruits, that imo were never great, occasionally produced big wins but now nothing.
 

pinnit2014

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as about the B game, I can tell you that some years ago I spun (?) more than 900,000 spins on it.
on italian casinos, mainly.
:eek2:
my target was to arrive to 1,000,000 spins before doing some serious consideration about RTP numbers. I remember there was an active member here "lockinlove", who was doing a similar thing, and I took from her the 1 mio sample as a magic number.
I did quit before since I asked the personal RTP on 900,000+++ and I understood how I was wasting my money and my time.

Stupid me who played again a BTG game. I can only blame myself. I knew already what dish they are serving.
I think it basically turned LIL into Jack Nicholson from One Flew Over. Some of those stat's she was getting were pretty grim - but tbh, not uncommon.

Be grateful if you got out without needing long term medical prescriptions.
 

bianchini82

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I think it basically turned LIL into Jack Nicholson from One Flew Over. Some of those stat's she was getting were pretty grim - but tbh, not uncommon.

Be grateful if you got out without needing long term medical prescriptions.
same here my friend, grinded lil again and again, i have no idea of how many bonuses and spins did on it, but always paid sh##.
and I add, I have never won anything significant on any btg, my biggest and most constant losses over the years are in the deadly bonanza.
I have also played them very rarely for a long time now. I know the feeling man!
 

PMKFRUITPRO

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so today after another awful session I asked to the casino my overall numbers. They did not want to give me at first, but after a while I could have some.
27,xx% RTP on 15k spins.
Ok I know 15k spins is nothing, but 27% is brutal.
In these 15k spins I had 3 times the natural bonus game: 1X, 1,7X, 2X.
I had also 3 times hartstopper bonus: 0X (yes its a zero its not a typo), 1X, 80X.

TBH I think that BTG is offering their games to our market with different settings, I also think that generally speaking this is a problem which should warn all providers. When you project a game that has a big part of its RTP in the bonus game, then it's becoming dangerous to offer it to "poor" markets. Those are the results. Then the casino operators have to do acrobacies to explain the "you have been unlucky" theory.

Now, lesson learnt and rant over: I won't touch any BTG game anymore in my life.

In 15,000 spins you’ve had the natural bonus 3 times??

If correct those figures are brutal. Almost unbelievable in fact.

Of course lil devil is a very high variance game. But it is about the only BTG game that actually delivers with the ‘monster’ hits. Which unfortunately means there is a flip side to the rediculous wins it puts out now and again. If you’re lucky enough to hit one then it’s more than possible you could turn that figure around.

However that sort of bonus frequency is a disgrace. But I’m not at all surprised at what they’ve paid. Just like DOA/DOA2 99% of the bonuses are absolute horse shit unless ur one of the very lucky ones. Of which of course there isn’t many.

I hope like me for your sake you were only attacking the game on small stakes??
 
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