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Like to grow your own veggies? Might you be breaking the law?

Discussion in 'The Attic' started by Mavin1, Aug 18, 2010.

    Aug 18, 2010
  1. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    Who doesn't prefer growing their own garden and eating the fruits of our labor, many of us do. Especially when everything we buy in our grocery stores are filled with things that shouldn't be in our diets.

    If you are concerned about losing even the freedom of growing your own food, you should study this bill.

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    S510 - Illegal To Grow, Share,
    Trade, Sell Homegrown Food
    SB S510 Will Allow Government
    To Put You In Jail ....
    By Steve Green
    8-6-10

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  3. GGW Laurie

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    This is just crazy:eek: Doesnt big brother have enough to do already?
    Laurie
     
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  5. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    Can you quote the relevant part of the bill? You should provide a more reliable source than Rense, a well-known conspiracy theorist.
     
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  7. BingoT

    BingoT Nurses love to give shots

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    Senate Bill S510 Makes it illegal to Grow, Share, Trade or Sell Homegrown Food

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  9. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    It is still only a blog referring to other websites repeating the same claims.
     
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  11. Mavin1

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    I understand what you are saying as far as wanting to know the specifics, I will work on finding that direct information for you. In the meantime, here is a link to a woman in India that has a good grasp on these laws and obviously it is a global thing from what I am seeing.


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  13. Mavin1

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    While I am searching in between doing other things, keep in mind, laws that are written are not done so the average or even above average person can understand them. This is how they get people to support many laws is by making them sound like they are good for the people, the economy and so on when the reality is they can also mean exactly the opposite of what you may see it as.

    That is why people who are trained in these fields study this stuff and blow the whistle on lawmakers, by giving the population, the real people explanation of what their legal jargon actually means. That is why you will find so many repeating the same thing, they are simply repeating what the expert has voiced that appeared on shows like Rense, Infowars, Steve Quayle and so on.

    So it may take awhile for myself or someone else to pin it down, but it is worth pursueing rather than blowing it off, because it was spoken on a Conspiracy site.
     
  14. Aug 19, 2010
  15. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever

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    Both S.510 and H.R. 875 (The Food Safety Modernization Act) first proposed in 2009 do nothing to hurt private gardens, farmers markets, or organic producers.

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    And finally...just because...
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  17. Mavin1

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    Geesh, I'm so bummed, I had almost finished my rebutle and lost my page. So I will try to make this short as I am tired and realize some will always be satisfied with the face value of what is presented and some will question.

    Thanks for the links SW, I checked them out and and they do say exactly what they want people to think the bill means, no problem there. However as one of the posters on the forum of the link you gave stated, do you really think the government, lawmakers, politicians are going to come right out and state in writting that you will be penalized for growing a tomato in your backyard, of course not, then even the supporters might give pause and pull support if they did. This is how things are done. Make it sound good, make the people want it.

    Kind of follows the premise of the the candy house that attracted the kids to it but what they found inside was a witch, not more goodies.

    Here is another link regarding this issue, for those who do like to seek further.

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    Also keep in mind that the FDA, USDA, Pharmaceutical companies or whomever, have they really been our friends? If so then why are we being fed and have been fed for a few generations now, MSG, ASPERTAIN, HORMONES, FLOURIDE, PESTICIDES, BACTERIA, and so much more in our food and water supply.
    These are all approved and in use in everything we consume or drink, to where there is no escaping it.

    So if some are not even willing to consider there may be another side to the story, or even want to find out what it is, that is your choice, but keep in mind, especially parents, the choices you make, you also make for your children and your childrens children.
     
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  19. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever

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    Isn't that what the scary right wing meme is doing to you??????? I gave you a link to the person who wrote the freaking bill...she knows what's in it.

    Nobody's going to take your garden away. Nobody's going to keep anyone from taking their veggies and jellies and pies to the farmer's market.
     
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  21. Mavin1

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    Here's a link to a video that is interesting.


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  23. slotplayer

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    this is the story
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    this is the proceedure
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  25. GGW Laurie

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    Laurie rambles on

    To the good old days, when a farmer could grow and harvest the fruits of his labor whilst feeding his family and neighbors by selling his wares to the local merchant, in return he would buy products from the merchant and the economy flourished.

    I have been around dairy and veggie farms as some of you have prolly done in your lifetime, its hard work, its dirty work but its the backbone of most countries, without local farmers, people dont eat.

    I was blessed with having parents who were raised on farms just as their parents were. They drank milk straight from the cows, churned their own butter ate their own veggies they planted in the feilds and they lived good and were healthy.

    If anything good could be said about this thread, it should be about the family farmers and the strugles they endure keeping up with big business farms, this is why i buy my veggies from the farmers markets and would encourage everyone else to do the same.

    The co-op farms are also great for those in the city, there is nothing better than eating veggies you have grown yourself and sharing them with those around you. Its also a good to teach and show our children where foods like carrots and lettuce, ect comes from.

    A small child will learn alot about life by just giving them a old coffee can, some soil, a tomato plant and have them water and take care of it as they watch it grow and bare the fruits of something they brought to life.

    Laurie
     
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  27. Mavin1

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    Thanks Slotplayer for those great links, I think it is very important that people see that raids like this can and will happen under the guise of salmonella and such. These avenues of purchasing foods have always been arouund, long before industrialization.

    Back in the old days, people also kept a silver coin in their milk, silver prevents bacteria's from growing and this is how they drank and used their milk and dairy products.

    Organic farming and home gardens have always been a staple of the people that want healthy nutrition in their foods. The processes that are used in industrialized foods, destroys the nutrients, thus eliminating the healthy aspect of the food.

    Then you have the other element, that would have you solely rely and live on their products, they have the clout, the big money, the governing factors behind them and they want to see all organic farming stopped, or another small story of the 7 year old who's lemonaide stand was ordered to shut down unless she purchase a license for $150. They do this a little at a time, as demonstrated by the raid on the organic store in California. The media is filled with horror stories of salmonella laden eggs, mad cow disease, swine flu from pigs, bird flu from chickens and the slaughter begins, where the food supply is greatly diminished under the guise of scare tactics.

    No one is going to question the mass slaughter of livestock and destruction of fields of organic food if there is a disease or bacteria attached to it. This also reinforces the thought in people that our best interests are being looked after. It's no different than people not questioning why the Branch Dividians were harrassed for days on end before they were finally killed, not just David Koresh but all the women and children as well. The media told us what to think and we obeyed.

    Mansanto has been having his fields of Genetically Modified crops planted near organic fields, thus causing cross pollenation and rendering the organic plants as dead live produce.

    The law that is being implemented is not done for the safety of the public interest but for big corporations interests. If the publics safety was such an issue then we would not have pesticides in our foods, growth hormones added to our meats, msg and fructose corn syrup in absolutely everything. I mean really just look around you and the proof is in the seeing of what we are being given to consume and is in direct contradiction of what the law, which is always subject to change will actually mean in the long run.

    Flouride is another item that has been given to the public saying it will benefit your teeth. Just how does toxic waste benefit ones teeth? Industry was given the option to cut cost of disposing of toxic waste by dumping it in the municipal water supplies. Studies have never been done as to the effect on wildlife, birds, insects consuming flouride. We water our lawns and trees with it, our gardens with it, it is inundating everything as well, it is a toxic waste! Yet the population are treated like toxic waste dumps, where toxic waste can be out of site out of mind. This has been done for many years and is still be done. This has been approved as beneficial to our health?

    This is how studies are conducted;
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    Newburgh, New York was the first experimental city to dose its citizens with fluoride, in 1945, to conduct safety studies. Planned to last ten years, the study was curtailed after five years, and declared a success. Children sick two weeks before examination were excluded - eliminating the very children who might be exhibiting fluoride's adverse effects and no adults were studied. There are many more sites to read up on this, you just have to do your homework.

    So if one thinks that I and many others are being scared by the meemee's, you couldn't be more wrong and your ridicule shakes me not. You have to be willing and able to look at the big picture, not just little parts of the half truth ones. But yes, I know some feel the governing factors are the most upright, honest, caring, loving thy fellow human being on the planet, are not swayed by big money and they would never lie to us. Well that's okay, as we all have our own ways of seeing things.
     
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  29. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever

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    I'm not ridiculing you. If I was you'd know it.
    I'm just a wee bit tired of this part of Casinomeister being used as right wing propaganda central, and anyone who disagrees with you or the rest of the regular posters in this section is a commie/nazi/socialist/unpatriotic/blind/gawdless moron who's too stupid to understand that "the other" is out to get us. It gets old. So I don't try to argue much, just point to alternative sources. What you do with those sources is up to you.
     
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  31. slotplayer

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    what is a meemee anyway? I think I have an idea but just wanted the verification.
     
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  33. Mavin1

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    Since when is wanting to talk about something right winged propaganda? I don't care if someone dissagrees, just don't understand why if a poster is tired of something just has to come in and quash it.

    Well guess the attic isn't what I thought it was.
     
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  35. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever

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    I referenced a meme in my post...Mavin brought up meemees. I have no idea what a meemee is.
     
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  37. Mavin1

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    You brought up the meme thing, I just spelled it wrong when I made my post regarding you using this term.
     
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  39. slotplayer

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    thanks, I was way off.

    I spend the a good portion of the 1980's studying horticulture, my alpine strawberries, broccoli, tomatoes, watermelons, cantaloupes all started in Feb, from seeds under a grow light.

    I've planted peach trees, apple trees, grape vines and rasp and black berries. Nothing like a fresh peach right off the tree or blackberries still warm from the sun. One of those peach trees is still there 30 years later.

    My grandfather had a paradise when I was kid, cherry trees, pear trees, apple, trees, plum trees, berries. Now it is apartment buildings. :(

    If I ever get a chance to plant another peach tree I'll shoot any mf that tries to take it. :D
     
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