Liberty Slots???

[bb28]

I've made two deposits and they went no where fast. Yes I know, that's about par for the course but it was a quite pitiful and I don't enjoy flushing money down the toilet with little return.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The RTP definitely does not compare with my years of experience playing in the EH Group--especially English Harbour and Caribbean Sands. I never liked the way they do their bonuses.

Another difference in the software is the EH Group would tell you where you stand in WR if you attempted to withdraw. LS does not. You must either keep track manually which is of course a complete pain in the ass--or chat in to support and let them check it for you.

It's clearly not the SAME software. This change is a negative one for players, and could indicate which direction other changes have taken. It is also possible that although the games are the same, they have been reconfigured to a lower RTP than was the case at EH. If anyone has the full reelstrips from any game when it was EH, this could be compared with the current reel strips in the same game under Liberty Slots. If there is a difference, it would confirm that the RTP has been changed (assuming paytables remain the same). Of course, it could be the paytables that have been lowered slightly.

 

[KasinoKing]

The RTP definitely does not compare with my years of experience playing in the EH Group--especially English Harbour and Caribbean Sands. I never liked the way they do their bonuses.

Just a minor "nip-pick"...
You mean Caribbean Gold casino.

Caribbean Sands was a Crypto casino, then possibly briefly Playtech (?) before it closed down some years ago.

KK

 

[Nifty29]

It's clearly not the SAME software. This change is a negative one for players, and could indicate which direction other changes have taken. It is also possible that although the games are the same, they have been reconfigured to a lower RTP than was the case at EH. If anyone has the full reelstrips from any game when it was EH, this could be compared with the current reel strips in the same game under Liberty Slots. If there is a difference, it would confirm that the RTP has been changed (assuming paytables remain the same). Of course, it could be the paytables that have been lowered slightly.

It is not clear that it's not the same software at all.

The absence of the WR counter could be a backend operator option, like it is for RTG ( or was for a long time anyway haven't seen it for a while). The same also applies for some MG casinos who show you how much you need to wager before the next bonus increment release, whilst other do not. In all cases it is the same software.

It's possible they have lowered the RTP. It's also possible that there are microscopic twinkie monsters on the moon which squirt microscopic fake cream at their enemies. In both cases there is just as much material/evidence to support the claim. Someone saying "the RTP is lower than EH", based on nothing more than they lost, isn't even close to being a basis for such a claim. How about the other person who hit $1200? Funny how that fact is conveniently ignored.

I don't play at LS, because they have almost zero deposit options for me, so I would hardly say they're going to win my personal operator of the year award (given that they have done absolutely nothing to address the issue here or elsewhere), so my view has no bias at all. I just think making sweeping statements with nothing to back them up is unhelpful and misleading.

 

[vinylweatherman]

It is not clear that it's not the same software at all.

The absence of the WR counter could be a backend operator option, like it is for RTG ( or was for a long time anyway haven't seen it for a while). The same also applies for some MG casinos who show you how much you need to wager before the next bonus increment release, whilst other do not. In all cases it is the same software.

It's possible they have lowered the RTP. It's also possible that there are microscopic twinkie monsters on the moon which squirt microscopic fake cream at their enemies. In both cases there is just as much material/evidence to support the claim. Someone saying "the RTP is lower than EH", based on nothing more than they lost, isn't even close to being a basis for such a claim. How about the other person who hit $1200? Funny how that fact is conveniently ignored.

I don't play at LS, because they have almost zero deposit options for me, so I would hardly say they're going to win my personal operator of the year award (given that they have done absolutely nothing to address the issue here or elsewhere), so my view has no bias at all. I just think making sweeping statements with nothing to back them up is unhelpful and misleading.

To clarify, not the same VERSION. Whilst Microgaming "thumper" and "viper" are pretty much the same software when it comes to the old games, the differences are significant.

Why would the new owner want to make the product WORSE - it makes no sense, unless they were NOT putting the players' interests first. They now have to burden their CS with mundane "have I reached WR" queries, and this leaves players vulnerable to CS making mistakes which the PLAYER then pays for. A counter gives the player an absolute reference to check, and which can be done immediately without having to break off and contact CS.

Other than the sinister motive of wanting players to fall into the trap of miscalculating their wagering so that they can void winnings, we have the possibilty that the software was given a rewrite before being launched, and it was such that the old WR counter module no longer worked with it, and they couldn't be arsed to write a new one.

Most softwares started out without their WR counters, but by popular demand from players, they have appeared in MGS, RTG, and many of the newer softwares developed them straight away. Whoever decided to REMOVE it from this particular software did so in the face of popular demand from players. This is NOT a good sign when trying to work out whether to trust an operating company that through necessity has to hide the real ownership behind a web of companies in order to make life hard for the DoJ.

Their almost exclusive focus on the US market shows that they can afford to treat players like this because in the US, choice is very limited, and many of the other options are far worse than a well known software that has been "crippled" to make things harder for players to keep track of.

 

[Nifty29]

To clarify, not the same VERSION. Whilst Microgaming "thumper" and "viper" are pretty much the same software when it comes to the old games, the differences are significant.

Why would the new owner want to make the product WORSE - it makes no sense, unless they were NOT putting the players' interests first. They now have to burden their CS with mundane "have I reached WR" queries, and this leaves players vulnerable to CS making mistakes which the PLAYER then pays for. A counter gives the player an absolute reference to check, and which can be done immediately without having to break off and contact CS.

Other than the sinister motive of wanting players to fall into the trap of miscalculating their wagering so that they can void winnings, we have the possibilty that the software was given a rewrite before being launched, and it was such that the old WR counter module no longer worked with it, and they couldn't be arsed to write a new one.

Most softwares started out without their WR counters, but by popular demand from players, they have appeared in MGS, RTG, and many of the newer softwares developed them straight away. Whoever decided to REMOVE it from this particular software did so in the face of popular demand from players. This is NOT a good sign when trying to work out whether to trust an operating company that through necessity has to hide the real ownership behind a web of companies in order to make life hard for the DoJ.

Their almost exclusive focus on the US market shows that they can afford to treat players like this because in the US, choice is very limited, and many of the other options are far worse than a well known software that has been "crippled" to make things harder for players to keep track of.

What about your RTP claims?

The difference between thumper and viper IS significant, but you can also tell right away which one is which because they are major revisions of the other. It's not relevant to LS as everything else is the same, minus a playthrough counter....which, as I said, is probably an operator option that they didn't opt for. Where do you get "couldn't be arsed fixing it" from? How do you know it was even an "error"? Hell of a lot of assumptions there based on nothing old bean.

You know, you could just admit you got it wrong, or that your assumptions are unsubstantiated. I know it's not your style to openly do so, but we all make mistakes and misjudgements, and admitting it occasionally is good for the soul. Take it from me

 

[vinylweatherman]

What about your RTP claims?

The difference between thumper and viper IS significant, but you can also tell right away which one is which because they are major revisions of the other. It's not relevant to LS as everything else is the same, minus a playthrough counter....which, as I said, is probably an operator option that they didn't opt for. Where do you get "couldn't be arsed fixing it" from? How do you know it was even an "error"? Hell of a lot of assumptions there based on nothing old bean.

You know, you could just admit you got it wrong, or that your assumptions are unsubstantiated. I know it's not your style to openly do so, but we all make mistakes and misjudgements, and admitting it occasionally is good for the soul. Take it from me

They are speculation based on experience of how business REALLY views consumers when you dig below the surface. Removal of (or not asking to keep) something that players want, and had before, is NOT in the interests of the player, but IS in the interest of the operator. By removing hard evidence like a counter, players have to rely on CS telling them the truth, and from past experience you can never guarantee that CS will give the right answer, and in some cases, like Virtual Group, the intent behind removing the counter is to allow CS considerable leeway in lying to players with a large win that they have to wager more, when in fact they are already over the required WR.

Another thing that a major rejig of software allows is the alteration of the games themselves. Lowering RTP is another thing that is in the operator's interests, and even though there is no need to do this because the games already have a house edge, some still decide it is "necessary". So in demand is the desire to alter RTP that some providers include it as an option with the software, with RTG's three settings being the most well known.

There is also the matter of TWO versions of the same slot (Princess Jewels), each with different paytables and different rules for triggering the bonus. WHY are there two versions of the SAME slot? Why not a different slot for the different set of rules?

Liberty Slots may have settled in well, not really disappointing those who play there, BUT when it launched, there was a HELL of a lot of "cloak and dagger" stuff going on, and it took some while to get some straight answers to what was a very simple question, the connection between Liberty Slots and English Harbour other than the use of the same software.

This came about because despite them saying there was no connection at all, Liberty Slots seem to have gotten hold of the player database from English Harbour, as well as a rather shoddily edited "scrape" of the English Harbour website, their use of which caused no objections whatsoever from English Harbour's owners.

To make things look not quite right, they claim to be open to players around the world, but in practice, their systems are designed to make it damn near impossible for a non-US player to actually USE an account they have registered.

YOU quite fancied playing there, but you found they ONLY had US facing deposit options, despite claiming to have "many" deposit options. It then transpired that even if you could deposit, non-US players would not get any of the promotions that are supposedly for "everyone".

For non-US players, it seems to be ONE deposit option, a VISA credit card, with withdrawals presumably only via a cheque. Even this option has more to do with the fact that prepaid VISA cards can still be made to work for US players, than with VISA Credit card being considered suitable for non-US players, and SO perfectly suited that there is no need to offer anything else.

There is still a bit of the "cloak and dagger" going on.

 

[Nifty29]

They are speculation based on experience of how business REALLY views consumers when you dig below the surface. Removal of (or not asking to keep) something that players want, and had before, is NOT in the interests of the player, but IS in the interest of the operator. By removing hard evidence like a counter, players have to rely on CS telling them the truth, and from past experience you can never guarantee that CS will give the right answer, and in some cases, like Virtual Group, the intent behind removing the counter is to allow CS considerable leeway in lying to players with a large win that they have to wager more, when in fact they are already over the required WR.

Another thing that a major rejig of software allows is the alteration of the games themselves. Lowering RTP is another thing that is in the operator's interests, and even though there is no need to do this because the games already have a house edge, some still decide it is "necessary". So in demand is the desire to alter RTP that some providers include it as an option with the software, with RTG's three settings being the most well known.

There is also the matter of TWO versions of the same slot (Princess Jewels), each with different paytables and different rules for triggering the bonus. WHY are there two versions of the SAME slot? Why not a different slot for the different set of rules?

Liberty Slots may have settled in well, not really disappointing those who play there, BUT when it launched, there was a HELL of a lot of "cloak and dagger" stuff going on, and it took some while to get some straight answers to what was a very simple question, the connection between Liberty Slots and English Harbour other than the use of the same software.

This came about because despite them saying there was no connection at all, Liberty Slots seem to have gotten hold of the player database from English Harbour, as well as a rather shoddily edited "scrape" of the English Harbour website, their use of which caused no objections whatsoever from English Harbour's owners.

To make things look not quite right, they claim to be open to players around the world, but in practice, their systems are designed to make it damn near impossible for a non-US player to actually USE an account they have registered.

YOU quite fancied playing there, but you found they ONLY had US facing deposit options, despite claiming to have "many" deposit options. It then transpired that even if you could deposit, non-US players would not get any of the promotions that are supposedly for "everyone".

For non-US players, it seems to be ONE deposit option, a VISA credit card, with withdrawals presumably only via a cheque. Even this option has more to do with the fact that prepaid VISA cards can still be made to work for US players, than with VISA Credit card being considered suitable for non-US players, and SO perfectly suited that there is no need to offer anything else.

There is still a bit of the "cloak and dagger" going on.

I did fancy playing there because I like the games, but was turned off because I was being treated differently to other players and I dont like that kind of thing. I'm not sure what that has to do with suggesting their RTPs have been lowered?

It appears the Princess Jewels issue is one of an error in the paytable e.g. it was written incorrectly. Nobody has said the game actually PLAYS different at all, just that the information on the paytable is incorrect. Again, I'm not sure how that connects with "cloak and dagger"...??

In the beginning there was an obvious policy to distance themselves from EH. Well, that didn't last long. Maybe they wanted a fresh start and maybe they ARE unrelated in an ownership sense and wanted to be rated on their own merits. I don't know....neither do you.

All of this stuff is totally irrelevant to your claims about the RTP being lower. You seem to base this purely on the fact that someone said they lost, and that the WR counter is not there. Seriously? If you have other evidence, then let's hear about it. Otherwise, it's just a wild assumption based on nothing.

I guess there's little point discussing it any more with you because you seem to have a serious issue with admitting that you might not be right, or that you might have misjudged. It's your choice of course, but it makes for a very difficult discussion when all you get in a response is "yeah but..." and "oh but what about..." and other such statements. Even the occasional "fair enough" or "Yup I got that call wrong" would seriously increase the respect I already have for your thoughts and opinions. I'm a mouthy sort, just like you, but you can't be all mouth and no humility. Just like me, if you put a lot of stuff out there, the chance that you are gonna get things wrong increases, and IMO you need to be prepared to accept it when it occurs and give some credit to the person pointing it out. I am seriously NOT trying to attack or offend at all...I really enjoy bantering with you and I don't want that to change.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I did fancy playing there because I like the games, but was turned off because I was being treated differently to other players and I dont like that kind of thing. I'm not sure what that has to do with suggesting their RTPs have been lowered?

It appears the Princess Jewels issue is one of an error in the paytable e.g. it was written incorrectly. Nobody has said the game actually PLAYS different at all, just that the information on the paytable is incorrect. Again, I'm not sure how that connects with "cloak and dagger"...??

In the beginning there was an obvious policy to distance themselves from EH. Well, that didn't last long. Maybe they wanted a fresh start and maybe they ARE unrelated in an ownership sense and wanted to be rated on their own merits. I don't know....neither do you.

All of this stuff is totally irrelevant to your claims about the RTP being lower. You seem to base this purely on the fact that someone said they lost, and that the WR counter is not there. Seriously? If you have other evidence, then let's hear about it. Otherwise, it's just a wild assumption based on nothing.

I guess there's little point discussing it any more with you because you seem to have a serious issue with admitting that you might not be right, or that you might have misjudged. It's your choice of course, but it makes for a very difficult discussion when all you get in a response is "yeah but..." and "oh but what about..." and other such statements. Even the occasional "fair enough" or "Yup I got that call wrong" would seriously increase the respect I already have for your thoughts and opinions. I'm a mouthy sort, just like you, but you can't be all mouth and no humility. Just like me, if you put a lot of stuff out there, the chance that you are gonna get things wrong increases, and IMO you need to be prepared to accept it when it occurs and give some credit to the person pointing it out. I am seriously NOT trying to attack or offend at all...I really enjoy bantering with you and I don't want that to change.

Maybe I will be proven to be wrong, but I never had hard evidence that RTP had been lowered, but does anyone have evidence that the RTP is the same as it was when EH ran the games?

Here is a statement that supports the theory that RTP has been lowered.

Their Level Up VP has the worst payouts on the lower levels for a royal flush that I have ever seen.

Whilst this has to be taken in context with the paytables for the other levels, this is a card game, and the RTP can be calculated directly from the paytable, and is much simpler to do than for a slot. Video Poker and Blackjack are standard games with standard sets of rules and variations. This would allow Liberty Slots to be compared with it's peers over the RTP of a set of standard games, and also with those games when run by EH.

It's a job for an interested US player, since LS don't seem to want non-US players on the site, even though there is no rule that specifically bans them.

Speculation about something is often the only means to loosen the tight grip operators and software providers have on such secrets. Speculation that is worse than what they are trying to hide can often force the truth out. This was what got RTG to grudgingly admit to the choice of RTP settings, as the speculation was growing that operators could change this on the fly, and use ANY setting they chose, even 50%, just by typing in the number.

RTG thought it was time to come clean and show that this was nowhere near as bad as it seemed, and that although the settings existed, it was only a choice of three, and only the top two could be used online, and even then after a process of making a request to RTG, and only after 6 months had passed since a previous request. Before this, players were routinely being told the RTP had not been changed, and could not be changed, and anything they experienced as being "different" was down to an unusual spell of bad luck.

Too many previously well respected operators have been caught with their fingers in the till to give the industry the level of trust it once had. When things have gone wrong, the LAST people to get their money out has been the players, and sometimes there has been nothing left for them once the owners had made sure THEIR money was moved to a safe haven when they realised the end was coming.

 

[pmutts]

Nifty . . . The word is S P E C U L A T I O N.

I played at EH Group for years and have long-term experience . . . MEGA EXPERIENCE playing Vegas Tech Software. Of course I do not know whether the RTP has been lowered or not; however, I suspect that it has--again based upon my experiences. I have seen plenty of threads where you have speculated as well.

I am the first to admit I have nothing to back this up nor does anyone else know the real truth except the top dogs at LS.

It floors me to see how you succeed into drawing people into endless debate over the pettiest of issues. Generally, I choose to ignore you and you can be certain you will never succeed in drawing me into a pointless and time wasting debate with you over anything! If I directly reply to something you have posted, whether I agree or disagree with you . . . you can be sure the issue is going to be ON TOPIC and of interest to ME. In the beginning I read many of your posts out of amusement, however, it has grown tiresome and boring. You are definitely adept at spinning your web of antagonism and drawing others into a "Nifty Debate" that often serves no purpose except to "derail the thread."

Without question, you sometimes make valid points (although usually with a very sarcastic and condescending tone) but so often it seems that when someone ZIGS, you prefer to ZAG for no other reason other than to be contrary--as I have previously stated.

It is also obvious to me that you are a very intelligent individual. But, there are many intelligent and even brilliant people who choose to use their intelligence to accomplish the negative. If you wish, reply to this post. Better yet do not. IGNORE ME! Why should you give me the pleasure of knowing that I "struck a raw nerve" as you alleged in your singular attempt to put a hook into me. But I will not reply to your rebuttal and I'm thinking there will definitely be one. Why don't you surprise me??????? But if you do rebut, you will definitely have the last word!

Have a good day.

Warm regards,

p mutts

 

[pmutts]

Yes, you are correct!

Just a minor "nip-pick"...
You mean Caribbean Gold casino.

Caribbean Sands was a Crypto casino, then possibly briefly Playtech (?) before it closed down some years ago.

KK

I played at the what I affectionately call the "Kleptologic" casinos back in 1999 - 2001. Caribbean Sands was Kleptologic, Caribbean Gold was Vegas Tech. Gosh I miss those days as an American, my choices are so limited. I'm seriously thinking of quitting OLG all together once again due to the lack of choices.

I'm close enough to Riverboat B & Ms and/or a quick flight to Vegas where I can gamble more than I'm sure I should. Those places I can even use my card counting skills!

 

[footdr]

So did the check ever clear? Would be nice to know if it did after it was finally deposited. Casinos I play recommend their checks be deposited not cashed. I have not had any returned checks from English Harbor Group or libertyslots so I suspect it cleared after being deposited.

Please update the status

 

[Nifty29]

I played at EH Group for years and have long-term experience . . . MEGA EXPERIENCE playing Vegas Tech Software. Of course I do not know whether the RTP has been lowered or not; however, I suspect that it has--again based upon my experiences. I have seen plenty of threads where you have speculated as well.

I am the first to admit I have nothing to back this up nor does anyone else know the real truth except the top dogs at LS.

It floors me to see how you succeed into drawing people into endless debate over the pettiest of issues. Generally, I choose to ignore you and you can be certain you will never succeed in drawing me into a pointless and time wasting debate with you over anything! If I directly reply to something you have posted, whether I agree or disagree with you . . . you can be sure the issue is going to be ON TOPIC and of interest to ME. In the beginning I read many of your posts out of amusement, however, it has grown tiresome and boring. You are definitely adept at spinning your web of antagonism and drawing others into a "Nifty Debate" that often serves no purpose except to "derail the thread."

Without question, you sometimes make valid points (although usually with a very sarcastic and condescending tone) but so often it seems that when someone ZIGS, you prefer to ZAG for no other reason other than to be contrary--as I have previously stated.

It is also obvious to me that you are a very intelligent individual. But, there are many intelligent and even brilliant people who choose to use their intelligence to accomplish the negative. If you wish, reply to this post. Better yet do not. IGNORE ME! Why should you give me the pleasure of knowing that I "struck a raw nerve" as you alleged in your singular attempt to put a hook into me. But I will not reply to your rebuttal and I'm thinking there will definitely be one. Why don't you surprise me??????? But if you do rebut, you will definitely have the last word!

Have a good day.

Warm regards,

p mutts

You said "the RTP is DEFINITELY lower compared to EH etc". I wouldn't call that speculation. I would also contend that your play at LS would be far less as they haven't been around long, so you can't properly compare anyway.

The reality is that YOUR payout is lower (I'm assuming you have your personal stats from the casino so I believe you on that basis). It doesn't mean the RTP SETTING of the casino is lower. You absolutely cannot establish whether a casino has reduced their RTP based on one person's play....or even a few players.

If you had said "I think/reckon/feel/know MY RTP is lower than previous play" then its perfectly fine and completely reasonable. You aren't accusing anyone of anything nor suggesting some kind of foul play.

However, you said "THE RTP is lower..." and that is not speculation at all.

Of course I speculate at times. Everyone does. I do not, however base it on nothing and I have reasonable evidence at hand.

The basic question is "How do you know they have reduced their RTP"....and the answer, based on what you have said thus far, is "You don't".

As for the rest of your post.....it is just an attempt to flame and provoke some kind of aggression and I have, quite frankly, seen far better. Hence, I'm not responding any further.

 

[samoas]

I signed up yesterday to play in fun mode just to see the layout and games offered. Enjoyed playing in fun mode but not many hits. Woke up this morning and decided to play for real. I am so bored playing RTG right now and have been in a dry spell since December. Figured I'd deposit $50 get the 100% welcome bonus and see how things go. Went fast, I'll tell ya! So , I said to myself "one more deposit" and dropped $45 more into my account. There was an additional bonus added of 25%. I took it.

Guess what!?! Hit for $1200 bucks on the Cupid slots!:yahoo: Got the bonus round and made every pick to the top row without busting out! Had to playthrough a few hundred for bonus requirements. Hit another slot, Rameses(? I think that's the name) for a few hundred that aided me in making my cashout requirement.

My docs have been sent, a cashout requested ($1050) and will be awaiting my check! Will let everyone know when received!

W/D was cleared on Monday 2/26 and check in hand today! Great job Liberty Slots!

 

[silcnlayc]

So did the check ever clear? Would be nice to know if it did after it was finally deposited. Casinos I play recommend their checks be deposited not cashed. I have not had any returned checks from English Harbor Group or libertyslots so I suspect it cleared after being deposited.

Please update the status

I do not know if you were asking me...and I thought I already posted that the check cleared...so...yes, it cleared at this time. If the question was for someone else...please disregard this answer .

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[all4greed]

LS VP

The problem I have with Bump It Up poker, is the fact you can only bet 4 coins max. So how much does this affect the RTP, if at all?

Excuse my lack of knowledge on this percentage stuff...

 

[butterflyboogie]

Bonus Play Different?

Ok Guys...and Girls...I have a question, random, however I do wonder, so here goes..When you play with a bonus, does the casino game system know that so that the play is better than if you don't use a bonus? A couple of weeks ago I signed up for the Liberty Slots casino, however I had not deposited until today. I had saw the thread on here and just wanted to check it out. Anyway, I deposited $50.00 and got the welcome bonus of 100% and went to play the new game Kanga Cash (BTW cute game)...the game was playing great, hitting left and right, going to the bonus round several, several times...now this was at the beginning when I first deposited...then BOOM....it died, quickly! So...I went to a couple other games and it was like nothing would hit, I don't know if it was because of my wagering requirement being almost met (speculating here) or what happened, but it literally died. So, after all of the money was gone and it was down to zero I went to the cashier and purchased more without a bonus...the games would not play at all. It was such a dramatic difference that I could not help but to notice. I changed the bet up, trying to get it to do something however it didn't. My question....is this a tactic (allowing you to win when you play a bonus knowing the possiblities are limited to meet the playthrough requirement) to get you to keep depositing? I am not accusing, I'm honestly asking a question.

Since I play everyday somewhere I will try them again. The games are cute, hopefully I will be able to cash out and if they are quick on withdrawals then I will be a faithful customer. I play generally at 3D everyday however I am just kind of tired of the games and needed a change of pace, and US players are limited...for now. =) Anyway...thank you for your answers in advance.

 

[met1959]

There Looking Good!!!!

English Harbour back from the dead!!!! LOL The turnaments are the best!!!!

 

[Realitybitez]

I played with a free $10 for hours yesterday. A huge variety of slots some of which were quite interesting. Its a pity deposit options are limited, at least for me.

Same!: Used the free $10 chip and had a ball! Love the games, the majority are the same as the games on Inter-casino so appealed to me totally. Intercasino being one of all time favourites. However I just couldnt work out how their wagering worked.

I think I'd got the $10 up to around $300, asked chat how much I had left to wager and they told me that I still had $400 left to wager. Now considering I was only playing slots and at a $1.00 a spin, I thought I would of made at least a small dent in the wagering terms but apparently not. Put me off totally so ended up throwing it all away more or less

I've been spoiled too much by MG where one can see how much of the bonus they have used, and how far they have to go.

With Liberty Slots, having to go through Chat, and take it all on their 'so and so' is something of a new experience for me.

 

[mattsgame]

I am still at a loss as to why these guys will not disclose there licensing jurisdiction.

Almost every other casino out there will either have it on their site or tell you without hesitation, but not these guys.

I miss the old Vegas Tech games, but its still to much of a risk if you ask me, they could be gone tomorrow.

 

[silcnlayc]

I am still at a loss as to why these guys will not disclose there licensing jurisdiction.

Almost every other casino out there will either have it on their site or tell you without hesitation, but not these guys.

I miss the old Vegas Tech games, but its still to much of a risk if you ask me, they could be gone tomorrow.

Ok, pretend I am a noobie once again. Why is this important about knowing where they are licensed? I mean, it means nothing to us in the USA for the simple fact that all online casinos we play at are not regulated anyway. Or am I wrong? Please expand on this license importance thing. Thank you!

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[rockycatt]

Ok, pretend I am a noobie once again. Why is this important about knowing where they are licensed? I mean, it means nothing to us in the USA for the simple fact that all online casinos we play at are not regulated anyway. Or am I wrong? Please expand on this license importance thing. Thank you!

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SILC HE IS FROM Australia

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ok, pretend I am a noobie once again. Why is this important about knowing where they are licensed? I mean, it means nothing to us in the USA for the simple fact that all online casinos we play at are not regulated anyway. Or am I wrong? Please expand on this license importance thing. Thank you!

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Whether licensed in Costa Rica or Mars, it makes little difference to the average player. What is worrying is their claim that they have a license, followed by a refusal to provide any evidence. Even rigue casinos have licenses, even if they are from Panama, Belize, Costa Rica, etc. They may offer little or no player protection, but they DO at least show that they have at least got some form of government permission to conduct their business.

A secret license is the same as no licence, since there is no licencing authority in the world that grants licenses to operate a business, and then requires the holder to keep it secret. Some rogue casinos often lie about having a license from a given jurisdiction, and get found out if someone actually bothers to check. A few Top Game casinos ended up in the pit for displaying fake licencing information that implied they had a licence from one of the most highly respected jurisdictions. They were found out when a complaint was sent to their supposed regulator, who replied it could not be dealt with because the license claim was false.

Clearly, to go to the trouble of faking a license, or an eCogra seal, demonstrates that casinos consider that this kind of thing DOES matter, and very much so. For Liberty slots to say that a license is important enough for them to claim to have one, but at the same time so unimportant that there is no need to show it to any of the customers, is a position that has no credibilty if accepted at face value.

Logic tells me that this odd position is the result of an effort to keep something hidden from players and regulators alike. Even self regulation can only work where the assumption can be made that members conduct themselves in an honest and transparent manner.

There may well be no issues for players NOW, but it is impossible to evaluate the risks of being a paying customer given this level of secrecy. If things DID go wrong, the player would have nowhere to turn to, not even a toothless regulator to rubber stamp the casino's argument.

I am now wondering what else is going to get dug up on this group. A shame they took this position after spending all that effort via the rep to convince us that they really were a completely new group, and even the software had been sold to a new developer, with the old EH group now completely out of the picture. To me, this looks like an attempt to wipe out a trail, that if followed back through to their regulator, would reveal some other fact, clue, or trail to follow that would eventually lead to information that contradicted what we have so far been told.

There have been too many coincidences to dismiss them all as mere coincidences, even though on their own there is nothing to suggest that each is anything but a coincidence. The scrape of the old EH site and half arsed attempt to edit it into a brand new site is what started the suspicions. Then followed the next coincidence of their "random" marketing campaign seeming to strongly favour the email addresses of ex EH players, which although could be a coincidence on it's own, seemed less so when considered together with the amount of intellectual copyrighted content they were seemingly allowed to "steal" from EH without a peep of complaint. This seemed at odds with the usual vigorous attitude taken to copyright infringements by the industry.

As far as I could see, the ONLY thing really in their favour were the reports from US players that payments were being made faster than many US players had come to expect in the current environment, and given that the US was the target market, for them at least it seemed to be a good place to play as an alternative to the very limited choice they had.

It should be possible to track down their license (if they have one) by searching the regulators' own lists. If we can assume that all legitimate regulators publish a list of licensed operators, then not finding Liberty Slots listed at any would be proof that they either have no license, or one that is not recognised as such by the industry as a whole.

 

[Nifty29]

Whether licensed in Costa Rica or Mars, it makes little difference to the average player. What is worrying is their claim that they have a license, followed by a refusal to provide any evidence. Even rigue casinos have licenses, even if they are from Panama, Belize, Costa Rica, etc. They may offer little or no player protection, but they DO at least show that they have at least got some form of government permission to conduct their business.

A secret license is the same as no licence, since there is no licencing authority in the world that grants licenses to operate a business, and then requires the holder to keep it secret. Some rogue casinos often lie about having a license from a given jurisdiction, and get found out if someone actually bothers to check. A few Top Game casinos ended up in the pit for displaying fake licencing information that implied they had a licence from one of the most highly respected jurisdictions. They were found out when a complaint was sent to their supposed regulator, who replied it could not be dealt with because the license claim was false.

Clearly, to go to the trouble of faking a license, or an eCogra seal, demonstrates that casinos consider that this kind of thing DOES matter, and very much so. For Liberty slots to say that a license is important enough for them to claim to have one, but at the same time so unimportant that there is no need to show it to any of the customers, is a position that has no credibilty if accepted at face value.

Logic tells me that this odd position is the result of an effort to keep something hidden from players and regulators alike. Even self regulation can only work where the assumption can be made that members conduct themselves in an honest and transparent manner.

There may well be no issues for players NOW, but it is impossible to evaluate the risks of being a paying customer given this level of secrecy. If things DID go wrong, the player would have nowhere to turn to, not even a toothless regulator to rubber stamp the casino's argument.

I am now wondering what else is going to get dug up on this group. A shame they took this position after spending all that effort via the rep to convince us that they really were a completely new group, and even the software had been sold to a new developer, with the old EH group now completely out of the picture. To me, this looks like an attempt to wipe out a trail, that if followed back through to their regulator, would reveal some other fact, clue, or trail to follow that would eventually lead to information that contradicted what we have so far been told.

There have been too many coincidences to dismiss them all as mere coincidences, even though on their own there is nothing to suggest that each is anything but a coincidence. The scrape of the old EH site and half arsed attempt to edit it into a brand new site is what started the suspicions. Then followed the next coincidence of their "random" marketing campaign seeming to strongly favour the email addresses of ex EH players, which although could be a coincidence on it's own, seemed less so when considered together with the amount of intellectual copyrighted content they were seemingly allowed to "steal" from EH without a peep of complaint. This seemed at odds with the usual vigorous attitude taken to copyright infringements by the industry.

As far as I could see, the ONLY thing really in their favour were the reports from US players that payments were being made faster than many US players had come to expect in the current environment, and given that the US was the target market, for them at least it seemed to be a good place to play as an alternative to the very limited choice they had.

It should be possible to track down their license (if they have one) by searching the regulators' own lists. If we can assume that all legitimate regulators publish a list of licensed operators, then not finding Liberty Slots listed at any would be proof that they either have no license, or one that is not recognised as such by the industry as a whole.

A regulator site search might do the trick, but Atlantis hasn't been hooked up to the Net yet so they may not have a website.

The only thing that makes licensing important to me is that it gives you an instant idea of what kind of operator you might be dealing with e.g I would feel better about an Alderney or Gibraltar license than a Costa Rica "license".

 

[tanksmoma]

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