Liberty Slots issues

[maphesto]

This is even LESS believable than the free tournament theory, as it requires LS to be connected to Top Game in some way.

I don´t think LS is connected to Top Game at all. I think that LS have access to everything there is from EH:s data base, maybe even info from ALL VT casinos. And how did I even get there on a negative list?

My only issue ever, was with Top Game management, and last year, sometime, at least two VT casinos regrouped from VT to Top Game. There is a slight possibility that they could have access to players info from Top Game before they decided to close VT casinos.

There is a recent thread at AGD about leaked player info from the closed Mayflower. Old / Expired Link As I see it, the leak at Mayflower is either Top Game or Affactive (Win Palace, Slots Jungle etc.) I think Top Game...They really want to use the info from Mayflower/Affactive after the "war" they had.

As a new entrant, the ONLY database that LS would legitimately have access to is one held by a processor, which would be flagging players suspected of fraud, or who engaged in "irregular activities".

Exactly! But my info is not from a processor.

New Top Game casinos would probably use a Top game dataset and ban players listed on it, but LS have NEVER been Top Game, and have only been around for a few months under the new VT software.

Yes! My theory is that during a period last year, info from Top Game leaked to on of the then still active VT casinos that later became Top Game White Labels.

Maybe there is yet another connection, on top of the suspected links with EH.

Well ,we will probably see things later. But we know that the "new" casino have access to player lists...

 

[footdr]

Liberty slots has to be reformed EH group IMO

Regardless what group they were last part of, they have a pretty good payout and free tourns good and bonuses not bad as are comp points and payouts paid via "overnight express".

Plus yippee I just won 1800.00 on a 45.00 deposit with 50% bonus

 

[Quorol]

EH AND LIBERTY SLOTS CONNECTION

Hello all!

I don't know for sure if Liberty Slots is just English Harbour repackaged by the same people, but I can say that I did have an English Harbour acct, and when I signed up with Liberty, they welcomed me back!

 

[footdr]

Hello all!

I don't know for sure if Liberty Slots is just English Harbour repackaged by the same people, but I can say that I did have an English Harbour acct, and when I signed up with Liberty, they welcomed me back!

Guess that kind of says it all as does the fact they had all of my card information when I made my first deposit. Not sure why other members are making more of this that need be. They are definately the same owners of the past EH group IMO.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Guess that kind of says it all as does the fact they had all of my card information when I made my first deposit. Not sure why other members are making more of this that need be. They are definately the same owners of the past EH group IMO.

The problem is that they have been LYING all the time, so regardless of whether they pay fast and have good promos, they are more or less "frauds". Their rep lied when questions were first raised as to how they were finding names and addresses to target, but the fact that the CS "welcomed you back" in one case, and had somehow managed to find a third party mailing list that included "all my card information" in another, is something that blows the rep's story right out of the water.

The only logical explanation is that they have EVERYTHING, the ENTIRE database from EH, and are using it. If it is true that they are unrelated, this makes it WORSE than if it was EH relaunching, as it would prove that EH sold off the most personal data of all, in clear violation of their policies and obligations, and that LS USED this highly illicit information when they came into possession of it. LS could be considered rogue simply for USING this data, regardless of any argument they may present that they bought it "in good faith" from a "marketing company". LS in effect have bought stolen property, and have used it as their own.

Casinos in general that are prepared to buy and use stolen player data are often thrown into the pit, even though they had no part in the data theft itself. The argument is that they should have refused to buy it having found out what it contained, and where it must have originated to have this level of content.

 

[footdr]

The problem is that they have been LYING all the time, so regardless of whether they pay fast and have good promos, they are more or less "frauds". Their rep lied when questions were first raised as to how they were finding names and addresses to target, but the fact that the CS "welcomed you back" in one case, and had somehow managed to find a third party mailing list that included "all my card information" in another, is something that blows the rep's story right out of the water.

The only logical explanation is that they have EVERYTHING, the ENTIRE database from EH, and are using it. If it is true that they are unrelated, this makes it WORSE than if it was EH relaunching, as it would prove that EH sold off the most personal data of all, in clear violation of their policies and obligations, and that LS USED this highly illicit information when they came into possession of it. LS could be considered rogue simply for USING this data, regardless of any argument they may present that they bought it "in good faith" from a "marketing company". LS in effect have bought stolen property, and have used it as their own.

Casinos in general that are prepared to buy and use stolen player data are often thrown into the pit, even though they had no part in the data theft itself. The argument is that they should have refused to buy it having found out what it contained, and where it must have originated to have this level of content.

I have not found them to be dishonest in any way. They adhere to the terms and conditions they post on their website and whether or not they are a "take off" or reorganization of the EH goup is not important to me. I like their games, the payout percentage and the fact the pay via "overnight" express payment is all that is important to me.

the facts I just stated in the paragraph above should be the most important facts for anyone that has or is considering whether to make a deposit.

they have been upfront, helpful and provided fast payouts. this is just my opinion and if you have had a different experience deposit and playing there, it is your right to post experience your experience for others to consider before they deposit and play.

 

[Diane]

I have not found them to be dishonest in any way. They adhere to the terms and conditions they post on their website and whether or not they are a "take off or reorganization of the EH goup is not important to me. I like their games, the payout percentage and the fact the pay via "overnight" express payment is all that is important to me.

the facts I just stated in the paragraph above should be the most important facts for anyone that has or is considering whether to make a deposit.

they have been upfront, helpful and provided fast payouts.

I agree with the above. I have only had favorable experience with this casino and extremely fast payouts. I like the games as a change to the RTG heavy diet that is most open to US based players.

FWIW,
Diane

 

[footdr]

the entire issue of their owner, affilate and so on isn't really a real problem unless they don't pay players or adhere to their own terms and conditions and I don't see it as a reason for them to be rouged or put on probation. Perhaps there is a "reason" they don't want to put all information out to the public as perhaps it exposes them to legal issues, which may have been the reason EH shut down to begin with. At any rate, I am happy with them and at this time all the other afflilate and ownership crap makes no difference to me.

 

[vinylweatherman]

If players are willing to overlook the corporate deception because they have been OK as far as payments are concerned, that's fine.

The issue is what this web of lies tells us about their overall business ethic. They will lie to save their own skins, and if this means screwing over customers and marketing partners, this is fine by them, and they also know that should they want to "do a runner", they cannot be traced by those they end up owing money to. They could, in effect, "do an EWX" on their customers.

Their "hide from the US" excuse doesn't stack up. All they need do is follow the lead of others, get a license in a country that refuses to recognise the US right to dictate that UIGEA is enforced outside of the US, and make sure that the ultimate ownership is through a trust of private company registered somewhere like Belize.

There is no problem at all disclosing that one has a license from Antigua, as this is a country that has not only refused to recognise the right of the US to enforce UIGEA against offshore companies, but a country that took the US to the WTO and won. They are not going to shut down a casino, nor extradite it's CEO to the US, just because it accepted US players.

There is something else they are desparate to hide, and one thing that has just emerged is that they feel they have the right to pass on the personal data and card details of their players to another "partner" should they close down. Reputable casinos that close down are expected to destroy such data, or at the very least ensure it remains locked away for as long as it is allowed to exist.

Things could very well be OK with them, but if they are not, the players are REALLY screwed. With no licence, there is no arbitration and appeal process, and the casino can do what it likes when it comes to confiscating winnings.

 

[silcnlayc]

If players are willing to overlook the corporate deception because they have been OK as far as payments are concerned, that's fine.

The issue is what this web of lies tells us about their overall business ethic. They will lie to save their own skins, and if this means screwing over customers and marketing partners, this is fine by them, and they also know that should they want to "do a runner", they cannot be traced by those they end up owing money to. They could, in effect, "do an EWX" on their customers.

Their "hide from the US" excuse doesn't stack up. All they need do is follow the lead of others, get a license in a country that refuses to recognise the US right to dictate that UIGEA is enforced outside of the US, and make sure that the ultimate ownership is through a trust of private company registered somewhere like Belize.

There is no problem at all disclosing that one has a license from Antigua, as this is a country that has not only refused to recognise the right of the US to enforce UIGEA against offshore companies, but a country that took the US to the WTO and won. They are not going to shut down a casino, nor extradite it's CEO to the US, just because it accepted US players.

There is something else they are desparate to hide, and one thing that has just emerged is that they feel they have the right to pass on the personal data and card details of their players to another "partner" should they close down. Reputable casinos that close down are expected to destroy such data, or at the very least ensure it remains locked away for as long as it is allowed to exist.

Things could very well be OK with them, but if they are not, the players are REALLY screwed. With no licence, there is no arbitration and appeal process, and the casino can do what it likes when it comes to confiscating winnings.

VWM, with all do respect, this seems to be coming a trend with accredited casinos also. Just as we have found that Jackpot Capital and Slotastic etc are all connected in which they were denied in the beginning. So, it isn't any different than Liberty Slots, which I might add, I had an excellent experience (except for the small blip of the check cashing/depositing misunderstanding) unlike not being told that I could not withdraw but once a week from an ENTIRE group. Never was made aware of that.

So..I think each and every one of these casinos have burdens to bear to continue servicing many..I just wish they would be more OPEN about issues so we, as players, would be able to understand better on what is actually happening and not go off half cocked in a tizzy only to find out all will be well in the end.. Very Stressful! Just be honest and open about issues to players..it might surprise many casinos that we, are an understanding bunch once we know the score.

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[zap987]

Anyone else noticed their marketing material, both email and regular mail look very similar to Jackpot Capital?

 

[vinylweatherman]

VWM, with all do respect, this seems to be coming a trend with accredited casinos also. Just as we have found that Jackpot Capital and Slotastic etc are all connected in which they were denied in the beginning. So, it isn't any different than Liberty Slots, which I might add, I had an excellent experience (except for the small blip of the check cashing/depositing misunderstanding) unlike not being told that I could not withdraw but once a week from an ENTIRE group. Never was made aware of that.

So..I think each and every one of these casinos have burdens to bear to continue servicing many..I just wish they would be more OPEN about issues so we, as players, would be able to understand better on what is actually happening and not go off half cocked in a tizzy only to find out all will be well in the end.. Very Stressful! Just be honest and open about issues to players..it might surprise many casinos that we, are an understanding bunch once we know the score.

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This doesn't make it OK, and it can be embarrassing when they get caught.

Liberty Slots have gone one better - no gaming license, not even one of those worthless ones from the likes of Costa Rica.

There are no jurisdictions that issue "secret" gaming licenses, therefore the secrecy is because they don't have one. I can't see them spending money on a gaming license to prove they are being regulated to players, and then keep it secret. It makes far more sense that they haven't bothered, and so long as players buy the secrecy excuse, it is an expense they can save on. It also means there is no governing body scrutinising the accounts, not even lightly. They could be doing anything, even trading whilst insolvent, yet with no regulator could carry on as though nothing is wrong, and get away with it because no-one is there to blow the whistle.

The most likely crunch is the DoJ seizing a large amount of funds, and management deciding it is not worth paying via another method in order to remain viable. The DoJ do NOT need to know who owns them, who licenses them, etc. All they need do is find a payment from LS that has entered the country, and work back to the first point of entry, which is usually a processor account with a US bank, and freeze it.

 

[footdr]

If players are willing to overlook the corporate deception because they have been OK as far as payments are concerned, that's fine.

The issue is what this web of lies tells us about their overall business ethic. They will lie to save their own skins, and if this means screwing over customers and marketing partners, this is fine by them, and they also know that should they want to "do a runner", they cannot be traced by those they end up owing money to. They could, in effect, "do an EWX" on their customers.

Their "hide from the US" excuse doesn't stack up. All they need do is follow the lead of others, get a license in a country that refuses to recognise the US right to dictate that UIGEA is enforced outside of the US, and make sure that the ultimate ownership is through a trust of private company registered somewhere like Belize.

There is no problem at all disclosing that one has a license from Antigua, as this is a country that has not only refused to recognise the right of the US to enforce UIGEA against offshore companies, but a country that took the US to the WTO and won. They are not going to shut down a casino, nor extradite it's CEO to the US, just because it accepted US players.

There is something else they are desparate to hide, and one thing that has just emerged is that they feel they have the right to pass on the personal data and card details of their players to another "partner" should they close down. Reputable casinos that close down are expected to destroy such data, or at the very least ensure it remains locked away for as long as it is allowed to exist.

Things could very well be OK with them, but if they are not, the players are REALLY screwed. With no licence, there is no arbitration and appeal process, and the casino can do what it likes when it comes to confiscating winnings.

Seriously, there is no arbitration or and appeal process? I haven't ever needed either and doubt either would actually help much if a casino doesn't care about being fair. Also, I never look at at these types of details when I decide to play at a casino. The most important thing for me is whether they pay players when the win and that they do so in a no longer than 3 weeks. It is likely that others may have different criteria to base their decision on and that is ok. UIGEA has nothing to do with the creditability of casinos. All microgaming casinos that linked us to other casino groups, maninly RTG casinos obviously gave those casinos our information because I was able to login to many of them with my microgaming account id and password. Freespins is an example of this. So it is not an uncommon practice nor one that I personally have issue with.

 

[bb28]

Anyone else noticed their marketing material, both email and regular mail look very similar to Jackpot Capital?

I noticed, must have hired the same company or is it.......they are connected in more ways than marketing? ummmm

 

[anniemac]

I love the games at Libery Slots but haven't deposited but once there.

I just don't like the fact that they are so secretive. I want to know what's what and who's who. They are probably just fine but I just got a strange feeling from them.

Plus, I never played at EH so where did they get my information. I was contacted directly via email to sign up so they got it from somewhere.

 

[maphesto]

I made a new thread as it was that important that it wasn´t just an "issue".

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/are-liberty-slots-worse-crooks-than-we-think.49717/

If a mod think it´s an ordinary issue I posted you can move the post here I guess.

 

[xxshepxx]

Joined them yesterday, been having a play with the ND bonus.

I was at £30 odd and Hit a bonus game in 'the prize is right' and boom, loading..........loading

£0 minutes later, loading..............

Logged off, went back to it an hour later, still wouldnt load

I contacted CS who ask me about my flash player (which is bang up to date) and about my internet connection...lol

They said it's not their problem I need to contact my ISP, or they could reset it, and i'd lose my bonus game?

Seems a bit shitty tbh, and not the sort of practice I want to get involved in.

So deleted the casino, and won;t use again.

 

[samoas]

Anyone else noticed their marketing material, both email and regular mail look very similar to Jackpot Capital?

I did notice this with the last snail mail I received from both establishments. Almost mentioned it but decided it may just be a marketing corporation.

Hmmmmmm

 

[vinylweatherman]

Joined them yesterday, been having a play with the ND bonus.
I was at £30 odd and Hit a bonus game in 'the prize is right' and boom, loading..........loading

£0 minutes later, loading..............

Logged off, went back to it an hour later, still wouldnt load

I contacted CS who ask me about my flash player (which is bang up to date) and about my internet connection...lol

They said it's not their problem I need to contact my ISP, or they could reset it, and i'd lose my bonus game?

Seems a bit shitty tbh, and not the sort of practice I want to get involved in.

So deleted the casino, and won;t use again.

None of this matters, you are from the UK, therefore ALL your winnings would be confiscated as you can't have ANY bonuses there.

The problem is that they market promotions to UK players even though taking up ANY of the offers will lead to any winnings being confiscated. Even where the offers are a true personal invite, with name and account number, they are STILL invalid for UK players, and no payment will be made should you win, but they will gladly take your money should you lose.

Other UK players have been stung by this predatory marketing, and have either believed these offers trump the general terms because they have been personally addressed to them, or have taken the offer at face value and not bothered to read the terms.

They are also operating without a proper gaming licence, not even a "rogue" one. They claim to have a "secret license", yet NO jurisdiction that offers gaming licenses allows them to be kept secret from players, therefore what they have CANNOT be a gaming license.

Someone has told affiliates to falsely state they have a license from Curacao (Netherlands Antilles), but they don't.


Unless you are in the US, there is no reason to play at such a secretive and unlicensed operator, where there is NO comeback whatsoever if things go wrong (such as a complaint to their licensing jurisdiction).

 

[rena35]

I wish i would have read this before i deposited there.Seems to me like they can pay players and pretend to be good for a while,then snap the trap closed .

 

[bugsy812]

Liberty Slots Paid Me

I've been playing Liberty Slots for close to six months. I have won and had a couple good cashouts. After the two day processing I received my check on the third day via FedEx everytime. Check is from a Canadian Bank and have had no problems. I used to play English Harbour a lot which is Vegas Tech software also. I have noticed playing the same games in Liberty that I played in English Harbour the bonus round payouts at Liberty are much smaller 100% of the time. I watch my money very closely when I play therefor I concentrate on my bets and denominations for each spin so I'm not exagerating the amounts payed out in the bonus rounds. You can win and your return on money deposited is still better than any of the other casinos we're stuck with as USA players. In 1775 Patrick Henry said "give me Liberty or give me Death" the latter is usaully the punishment put on you for playing the other casinos.
Bugsy812

 

[Nifty29]

I've been playing Liberty Slots for close to six months. I have won and had a couple good cashouts. After the two day processing I received my check on the third day via FedEx everytime. Check is from a Canadian Bank and have had no problems. I used to play English Harbour a lot which is Vegas Tech software also. I have noticed playing the same games in Liberty that I played in English Harbour the bonus round payouts at Liberty are much smaller 100% of the time. I watch my money very closely when I play therefor I concentrate on my bets and denominations for each spin so I'm not exagerating the amounts payed out in the bonus rounds. You can win and your return on money deposited is still better than any of the other casinos we're stuck with as USA players. In 1775 Patrick Henry said "give me Liberty or give me Death" the latter is usaully the punishment put on you for playing the other casinos.
Bugsy812

I admire players who keep tally of all their bets and results and bonus rounds.

Could you please post your data to show the difference between the two casinos?

After all, it is the only way one can make meaningful observations about RTP reductions, and even that is not 100% proof as it may just be that one's luck is worse than previous years.

 

[j99352]

Licensing

According to another casino review website (found by searching "liberty slots casino" and "license," Liberty Slots is licensed in Netherlands Antilles.

 

[vinylweatherman]

According to another casino review website (found by searching "liberty slots casino" and "license," Liberty Slots is licensed in Netherlands Antilles.

So, why don't they admit it then?

If they REALLY had a license there, they would be FORCED to admit it by the Netherlands Antilles. I suspect this information has been invented by an affiliate to generate more signups than they would get were they to say that the license was "unknown". I am sure this suggestion has come up before, but there was no official trace of this license.