Liberty Slots issues

[lots0]

Hi Guys...

Been a while.

Some interesting info on libertyslots, that I thought I might share.

First of all there is thread over at affiliate Guard dog that some of you might find interesting.
xxhttp://www.affiliateguarddog.com/forums/welcome-slotsvendor-agd-certified-program-t4967.html

slotsvendor is the affiliate program for libertyslots.

The real kicker is that liberyslots says that they have a e-gaming license... but they are keeping it secret.

No kidding... they actually say are keeping their licensing info secret.

I have been doing some investigating and so far have not been able to find a license for them.

So far libertyslots has raised just about every red flag I know of when it comes to spotting a Rogue Casino.

So Beware...

 

[SlotMonster]

"Secret" License means that players are unable to complain to regulator, because they simply don't know who it is...

 

[Casinomeister]

Hi Guys...

Been a while.

Some interesting info on libertyslots, that I thought I might share.

First of all there is thread over at affiliate Guard dog that some of you might find interesting.
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slotsvendor is the affiliate program for libertyslots.

The real kicker is that liberyslots says that they have a e-gaming license... but they are keeping it secret.

No kidding... they actually say are keeping their licensing info secret.

I have been doing some investigating and so far have not been able to find a license for them.

So far libertyslots has raised just about every red flag I know of when it comes to spotting a Rogue Casino.

So Beware...

Thank you for the information, but I do have an issue with what you are saying at Affiliateguarddog. You have gone on for pages calling them thieves over an affiliate payment you received. You are accusing the affiliate manager of Libertyslots of being in cahoots with the imaginary thievery, and going on and on about how they are crooks.

All for $350 - that you received.

I can see how some people have issue on the mysterious appearance of the casino group. It's well documented here at Casinomeister - but to make libelous statements about Nick Yap based on your personal sour grapes ($350! ) is unprofessional and downright ridiculous. You are delusional - and I'm prepared to publish the docs we have concerning your PAB (to include your colorful comments) to clear CasinoCoins' and Nick's name.

The "secret" licensing is alarming - alarming in the manner that it should not be necessary to keep this information out of the public eye. That's enough for me to consider placing them into the not recommended section of the rogue pit.

But then we can open up a debate on how important licensing really is when there is self-regulation. (please initiate that in another thread if need be). We know that it's primarily set up for tax purposes - player service and protection is usually not a priority.

I also have not seen any evidence that this casino has been poaching players from a defunct CasinoCoins database. As far as I can tell, Libertyslots is starting from scratch sans some of the administrative aspects (Vegas Tech, website templates, ex-CC employees, auditing service).

If there are any outstanding real (not imaginary) issues, I'm all eyes and ears.

 

[conker]

I always think it is bad Karma to be taking your frustration out on an employee of a casino or a casino affiliate program. Especially using their full name and calling them all sorts of things. It's not professional and it's also very unfair.

 

[Casinomeister]

Anyway, back to issue.

@ LibertySlots: What is your licensing jurisdiction? Please let us know. Thanks!

 

[mattsgame]

I also have not seen any evidence that this casino has been poaching players from a defunct CasinoCoins database. As far as I can tell, Libertyslots is starting from scratch sans some of the administrative aspects (Vegas Tech, website templates, ex-CC employees, auditing service).

Didn't all ex players of the Casino Coins group of casinos receive emails from Liberty Slots inviting them to try them out?

 

[Casinomeister]

Didn't all ex players of the Casino Coins group of casinos receive emails from Liberty Slots inviting them to try them out?

Not that I am aware of. If they were poaching players, I'm sure the affy community would be flipping out in the fora. I haven't really seen any indication of that. On the contrary, some of the more active affiliates are already promoting them.

 

[mattsgame]

Not that I am aware of. If they were poaching players, I'm sure the affy community would be flipping out in the fora. I haven't really seen any indication of that. On the contrary, some of the more active affiliates are already promoting them.

I am going from the replies in This thread after your post mate.

I do see some Affiliates have done a complete back flip on them and yet there is still no more information available about them than when they first arrived on the scene. Some of the sites promoting them, still have a post or something about their disgust and that players should not trust them, so what is a player to think?

Not sure if this has been posted before, I couldn't find it searching, but W.G.S Technology have a website up now

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

, I know Jetset was looking for it in the other thread. Not really that much information on the site though.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I am going from the replies in This thread after your post mate.

I do see some Affiliates have done a complete back flip on them and yet there is still no more information available about them than when they first arrived on the scene. Some of the sites promoting them, still have a post or something about their disgust and that players should not trust them, so what is a player to think?

Not sure if this has been posted before, I couldn't find it searching, but W.G.S Technology have a website up now

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

, I know Jetset was looking for it in the other thread. Not really that much information on the site though.

Thank you for visiting WGS Technology. WGS Technology is a premiere software development and technical support company that is built on a foundation of 14 years’ experience in the online gaming industry.



Our award winning software has been used in some of the most popular and reputable brands in the Market. While the software offers a wide variety of games – over 100 of them – particular attention has been given to captivating online slot games. Our tournament functionality is like no other and has become extremely popular with players in recent years.



We are very proud of our product. If you are looking for your casino brand to stand out from other traditional casino platforms, WGS Technology is your answer.

Really?

"your" software has been used in ONE brand, and it's respectability is a matter of debate.

The other claims relate to the English Harbour group and Vegas Technology, from whom the software was purchased "as is" around a year ago, Any "development" has been limited to a few tweaks here and there.

13 of the 14 years experience didn't produce much, as noone had even heard of this company before 2011.

It is Vegas Technology and the EH group that have had many years of experience, and has operated "popular" and "trusted" casinos and software for this length of time.

If this site is supposed to SUPPORT the PR story, it is a shot in one's own foot, as to me it renews suspicions that this is STILL English Harbour and Vegas Technology behind everything, and that THIS is the "dark secret" they are trying to keep hidden from players and webmasters, even to the extreme extent of shutting down any possibilty of tracing back through licensing information for the current operation.

For a company with 14 years experience, this pathetic effort at webdesign just does not fit right.

I suspect this site was thrown together in a hurry to allay suspicions that the company is fake because they have no web presence. This site does nothing to allay such concerns.

 

[lots0]

I told bryan i was not going to reply here but there are some things here that need to be said.

First... I did NOT start this thread.
Bryan, split this off from the combined thread that was started by that banned spammer from liberty slots.
Don't be a mensch, bryan, Don't give me the credit for what you did.

I also have not seen any evidence that this casino has been poaching players from a defunct CasinoCoins database. As far as I can tell, Libertyslots is starting from scratch sans some of the administrative aspects (Vegas Tech, website templates, ex-CC employees, auditing service).

You haven't seen any evidence simply because you haven't looked.

There is a thread at ADG where affiliates/players of casino coins/vegas tech are reporting receiving emails to their cc email account for Liberty Slots.
So there is a LOT of evidence that poaching players has happened... even to the affiliates that are currently so vocal in their support.

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I always think it is bad Karma to be taking your frustration out on an employee of a casino or a casino affiliate program. Especially using their full name and calling them all sorts of things. It's not professional and it's also very unfair.

Nick Yap was not JUST an employee of casino coins/vegas Tech he was the Head Affiliate manager, the top man, the big dog, nothing happened at cc that Nick Yap did not know about(Nick's own statements) and also according to Nick Yap he considered himself part of the casino coins owners 'family'....
Nick Yap was not just an employee he was the man in charge.

Nick Yap is also a personal friend of casinomeister... where I am obviously not.

I am not going to go on here.. The response to the personal attrack against me by bryan and the information about my 'measly' $350. is on this post at AGD...
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Now i am really not going come back... Because I personally believe that casinomeister is not a valid player protection site.

I pointed to bryan that casino coins was running a shady outfit that had stolen from me, at the time cc was trying to get certified here... bryan knew this and still certified them at casinomeister... Then a while back casino coins just closed their doors and ripped off MILLIONS from both players and affiliates... I'm not much of a "I told you so" kind of a person... but in this case... I told you so!

This is not the only time this kind of thing has happened with casinomeister...

I personally believe that back room deals and personal friendships have replaced ethics here at casinomeister.

I don't really expect this post to stay... So I will repost this in it's entirety on my site, in the casinomeister reviews area.
You can find it by Googleing [lots0cash reviews casinomeister]

 

[vinylweatherman]

I told bryan i was not going to reply here but there are some things here that need to be said.

First... I did NOT start this thread.
Bryan, split this off from the combined thread that was started by that banned spammer from liberty slots.
Don't be a mensch, bryan, Don't give me the credit for what you did.


You haven't seen any evidence simply because you haven't looked.

There is a thread at ADG where affiliates/players of casino coins/vegas tech are reporting receiving emails to their cc email account for Liberty Slots.
So there is a LOT of evidence that poaching players has happened... even to the affiliates that are currently so vocal in their support.

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Nick Yap was not JUST an employee of casino coins/vegas Tech he was the Head Affiliate manager, the top man, the big dog, nothing happened at cc that Nick Yap did not know about(Nick's own statements) and also according to Nick Yap he considered himself part of the casino coins owners 'family'....
Nick Yap was not just an employee he was the man in charge.

Nick Yap is also a personal friend of casinomeister... where I am obviously not.

I am not going to go on here.. The response to the personal attrack against me by bryan and the information about my 'measly' $350. is on this post at AGD...
Old / Expired Link

Now i am really not going come back... Because I personally believe that casinomeister is not a valid player protection site.

I pointed to bryan that casino coins was running a shady outfit that had stolen from me, at the time cc was trying to get certified here... bryan knew this and still certified them at casinomeister... Then a while back casino coins just closed their doors and ripped off MILLIONS from both players and affiliates... I'm not much of a "I told you so" kind of a person... but in this case... I told you so!

This is not the only time this kind of thing has happened with casinomeister...

I personally believe that back room deals and personal friendships have replaced ethics here at casinomeister.

I don't really expect this post to stay... So I will repost this in it's entirety on my site, in the casinomeister reviews area.
You can find it by Googleing [lots0cash reviews casinomeister]

A personal attack on Bryan and this portal only serves to undermine your evidence against Casino Coins and the new Liberty Slots.

The connection needs to be proven with evidence that could not be explained away by coincidence, and without reference to personal grievances as "proof" of wrongdoing or corruption.

 

[jetset]

And that's the problem with this whole 'debate' (not sure I can even grace it with that description)...speculation, guesswork, people going on tilt (again), complete about-turns of opinion without rational explanation (Nick Yap must be a helluva convincing fellow lol) and general confusion - that's my overall impression after spending over an hour following links and reading the various exchanges.

The result is still that there is no real evidence as to who is behind this outfit, what the corporate history vis-a-vis the software is really all about, and whether they've been doing some questionable stuff with old databases.

And we still do not even have an assurance that they are licensed and by whom.

For me, it all adds up to a very worrying picture of possibly deliberate misinformation and blatant concealment.

Me no like.

 

[Casinomeister]

Jeeze - some people will do anything for a little bit of attention.

Sorry lots0 - this thread is not about you, even though it's you who wants the limelight here, it's about what is going on with Libertyslots.

A couple of quick comments: no, Nick Yap is not a personal friend of mine. I had an enjoyable lunch about five years ago in Amsterdam with the guy, and I saw him for about two minutes in London last year where he mentioned that he was working for Libertyslots. That's about it.

But one thing that I can say without hesitation, he garners much more respect from players and affiliates than you ever will. As I mentioned before, you are delusional and you are making an attempt to make a big deal out of something that is not. You got your $350, right? Don't go on about principles - you are clueless when it comes to that.

Anyway - beyond the derailment of Lots0, I was hoping by now we would have a statement from Libertyslots on the licensing issue. I guess we have to wait until tomorrow.

As for the poaching, unless there are seeded player accounts, we can only speculate. We have had a number of players in this forum who were members of EH, and have not received promotional emails from LS. So where is the beef?

 

[Nifty29]

lots0

If this site is so crap and lacking in integrity, along with its owner.....

WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE???

You don't even have the courage of your own convictions.

 

[maxd]

You don't even have the courage of your own convictions.

It has been my observation that grandstanding blow-hards seldom do.

 

[X-Raided]

Hi Guys...

Been a while.

Some interesting info on libertyslots, that I thought I might share.

First of all there is thread over at affiliate Guard dog that some of you might find interesting.
xxhttp://www.affiliateguarddog.com/forums/welcome-slotsvendor-agd-certified-program-t4967.html

slotsvendor is the affiliate program for libertyslots.

The real kicker is that liberyslots says that they have a e-gaming license... but they are keeping it secret.

No kidding... they actually say are keeping their licensing info secret.

I have been doing some investigating and so far have not been able to find a license for them.

So far libertyslots has raised just about every red flag I know of when it comes to spotting a Rogue Casino.

So Beware...

Again, another affiliate tarnishing a (new) online casino's name over something that has to do with
commissions to affiliates and not over a player not receiving a payment they deserve.

Look here Lots0, please don't try to kill the reputation of Liberty Slots. You see, us Americans don't have
many options on where to play and having a Vegas Tech casino is a big deal to us. I said it before and I'll say it
again.. An affiliate not getting commission from a casino will NOT keep me from depositing there. However a player
not receiving a rightful payment that they deserve will.

I think Liberty Slots is doing everything they can to be on the good side of CM and I have been
observing their behavior, it's positive. Don't be a "big bad wolf" trying to blow their house down.

 

[Mousey]

And that's the problem with this whole 'debate' (not sure I can even grace it with that description)...speculation, guesswork, people going on tilt (again), complete about-turns of opinion without rational explanation (Nick Yap must be a helluva convincing fellow lol) and general confusion - that's my overall impression after spending over an hour following links and reading the various exchanges.

The result is still that there is no real evidence as to who is behind this outfit, what the corporate history vis-a-vis the software is really all about, and whether they've been doing some questionable stuff with old databases.

And we still do not even have an assurance that they are licensed and by whom.

For me, it all adds up to a very worrying picture of possibly deliberate misinformation and blatant concealment.
Me no like.

That's my feeling, too. There's too much we don't know. They're concentrating too heavily on the USA market for my liking also. (I always have Linwood - ran by the Feds for years processing payments for casinos- in the back of my mind.)

Even if I don't know who they are, if someone here were 'in the know' and could tell us, 'yeah, the owners used to manage Casino Whosits', or whatever, I'd feel more comfortable. It's all just too.... muddy....

 

[Cleveland]

@ X-Raided: I wish I could thank your post twice!

 

[chuchu59]

lots0

If this site is so crap and lacking in integrity, along with its owner.....

WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE???

You don't even have the courage of your own convictions.

Here to seek attention from like-minded crapfellows.

 

[mattsgame]

And that's the problem with this whole 'debate' (not sure I can even grace it with that description)...speculation, guesswork, people going on tilt (again), complete about-turns of opinion without rational explanation (Nick Yap must be a helluva convincing fellow lol) and general confusion - that's my overall impression after spending over an hour following links and reading the various exchanges.

The result is still that there is no real evidence as to who is behind this outfit, what the corporate history vis-a-vis the software is really all about, and whether they've been doing some questionable stuff with old databases.

And we still do not even have an assurance that they are licensed and by whom.

For me, it all adds up to a very worrying picture of possibly deliberate misinformation and blatant concealment.

Me no like.

Thanks Jetset,

This is what I was trying to put across but you have done it in a way better manner than I could.

Lots0 - I don't think there was any need for that mate, you have some valid points etc but your bringing them across in the worst way possible.


X-Raided - Respect you a lot and I see why you think it's just an affiliate issue based on Lots0 but for me its a concern in general and as a player, I cannot even remember if I was an affiliate with Casino Coins or if I started after they closed. (I know they didn't owe me a penny in any case)

 

[X-Raided]

@ X-Raided: I wish I could thank your post twice!

Thanks man. I'll post it again so you can thank it twice! j/k

 

[jetset]

Affiliate bickering, self-interest and expediency in the forums can be irritating for players, but I think it would be a mistake to regard this as solely an affiliate issue and therefore of little relevance to the player.

I say this because there is a very devious and apparently deliberate pattern of deceptive behaviour implied here that is the antithesis of what one should expect from an even halfway respectable company, and for me that is a massive red flag with dangerous implications for players when the proverbial hits the fan. There are plenty of historic examples of what happens to Internet players when things go pear-shaped with these integrity-challenged outfits...none of them uplifting.

Assuming that this fellow Nick Yap is working for Libertyslots, and given his industry background, he and his colleagues at Liberty-WGS Technology must know that the manner in which these very valid questions on software, spamming, history, licensing and ownership are being handled is creating real doubts regarding the integrity - and therefore business viability - of their company.

I really am surprised that no attempt has so far been made to set the record straight and give some semblance of transparency to a company that is, after all, operating in a business where trust is so important.

 

[Casinomeister]

Affiliate bickering, self-interest and expediency in the forums can be irritating for players, but I think it would be a mistake to regard this as solely an affiliate issue and therefore of little relevance to the player.

I say this because there is a very devious and apparently deliberate pattern of deceptive behaviour implied here that is the antithesis of what one should expect from an even halfway respectable company, and for me that is a massive red flag with dangerous implications for players when the proverbial hits the fan. There are plenty of historic examples of what happens to Internet players when things go pear-shaped with these integrity-challenged outfits...none of them uplifting.

Assuming that this fellow Nick Yap is working for Libertyslots, and given his industry background, he and his colleagues at Liberty-WGS Technology must know that the manner in which these very valid questions on software, spamming, history, licensing and ownership are being handled is creating real doubts regarding the integrity - and therefore business viability - of their company.

I really am surprised that no attempt has so far been made to set the record straight and give some semblance of transparency to a company that is, after all, operating in a business where trust is so important.

Excellent post, jetset.

I'm not going to make assumptions like lots0 over millions being ripped off by EH from their ex-players and affiliates. The proof is in the pudding, and I haven't seen any pudding anywhere. There is plenty of room for speculation, and in the end the truth will always come out. But Casinomeister is not about speculating whether or not unethical or rogue tactics have been placed in motion - we don't rogue companies on a hunch.

That said, players need to be warned when companies are operating in a haphazard way. The casino has made their intentions known that they are not going to provide players with any licensing information. Now we can discuss exactly how important licensing is - that's always debatable - and as I mentioned before, that's another topic all together. What is important here is that this casino has not given anyone a point of contact if anything goes wrong.


Now I know that players in the US are pleading for casino newcomers. They want more options concerning software platforms - RTG can get a little old after a while. But the thing is, if they choose to patronize casinos that do not offer any player protection whatsoever, they are swimming in shark infested waters.

I feel it's a bad business decision on hiding licensing info. They need to play ball like everybody else. If they are worried about repercussions from whomever for being transparent, then they shouldn't be in the business.

 

[Casinomeister]

Libertyslots - highly not recommended - in the pit

LibertySlots - highly not recommended.

You can read about it here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

 

[X-Raided]

LibertySlots - highly not recommended.

You can read about it here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

Has Liberty Slots been contacted about this thread asking them to provide proof?

Do they know this thread exists and what the contents are inside?

I'd like to see a response from them stating "yes we can provide proof" or "sorry folks, it is what is is".

Either way, as a depositing customer, I feel that it's their fiduciary responsibility to provide this information.