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Liberty Slots issues

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by lots0, Mar 13, 2012.

    Mar 13, 2012
  1. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Hi Guys... :)

    Been a while.

    Some interesting info on libertyslots, that I thought I might share.

    First of all there is thread over at affiliate Guard dog that some of you might find interesting.
    xxhttp://www.affiliateguarddog.com/forums/welcome-slotsvendor-agd-certified-program-t4967.html

    slotsvendor is the affiliate program for libertyslots.

    The real kicker is that liberyslots says that they have a e-gaming license... but they are keeping it secret.

    No kidding... they actually say are keeping their licensing info secret.

    I have been doing some investigating and so far have not been able to find a license for them.

    So far libertyslots has raised just about every red flag I know of when it comes to spotting a Rogue Casino.

    So Beware...
     
    19 people like this.
  2. Mar 14, 2012
  3. SlotMonster

    SlotMonster SoftSwiss Representative webmeister

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    "Secret" License means that players are unable to complain to regulator, because they simply don't know who it is...
     
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  4. Mar 14, 2012
  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Thank you for the information, but I do have an issue with what you are saying at Affiliateguarddog. You have gone on for pages calling them thieves over an affiliate payment you received. You are accusing the affiliate manager of Libertyslots of being in cahoots with the imaginary thievery, and going on and on about how they are crooks.

    All for $350 - that you received.

    I can see how some people have issue on the mysterious appearance of the casino group. It's well documented here at Casinomeister - but to make libelous statements about Nick Yap based on your personal sour grapes ($350! :eek2:) is unprofessional and downright ridiculous. You are delusional - and I'm prepared to publish the docs we have concerning your PAB (to include your colorful comments) to clear CasinoCoins' and Nick's name.

    The "secret" licensing is alarming - alarming in the manner that it should not be necessary to keep this information out of the public eye. That's enough for me to consider placing them into the not recommended section of the rogue pit.

    But then we can open up a debate on how important licensing really is when there is self-regulation. (please initiate that in another thread if need be). We know that it's primarily set up for tax purposes - player service and protection is usually not a priority.

    I also have not seen any evidence that this casino has been poaching players from a defunct CasinoCoins database. As far as I can tell, Libertyslots is starting from scratch sans some of the administrative aspects (Vegas Tech, website templates, ex-CC employees, auditing service).

    If there are any outstanding real (not imaginary) issues, I'm all eyes and ears.
     
    6 people like this.
  6. Mar 14, 2012
  7. conker

    conker Super Moderator CAG MM webmeister

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    I always think it is bad Karma to be taking your frustration out on an employee of a casino or a casino affiliate program. Especially using their full name and calling them all sorts of things. It's not professional and it's also very unfair.
     
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  8. Mar 15, 2012
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Anyway, back to issue.

    @ LibertySlots: What is your licensing jurisdiction? Please let us know. Thanks!
     
    8 people like this.
  10. Mar 15, 2012
  11. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Didn't all ex players of the Casino Coins group of casinos receive emails from Liberty Slots inviting them to try them out?
     
  12. Mar 15, 2012
  13. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Not that I am aware of. If they were poaching players, I'm sure the affy community would be flipping out in the fora. I haven't really seen any indication of that. On the contrary, some of the more active affiliates are already promoting them.
     
  14. Mar 15, 2012
  15. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    I am going from the replies in This thread after your post mate.

    I do see some Affiliates have done a complete back flip on them and yet there is still no more information available about them than when they first arrived on the scene. Some of the sites promoting them, still have a post or something about their disgust and that players should not trust them, so what is a player to think?

    Not sure if this has been posted before, I couldn't find it searching, but W.G.S Technology have a website up now You must register/login in order to see the link., I know Jetset was looking for it in the other thread. Not really that much information on the site though.
     
  16. Mar 15, 2012
  17. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Really?

    "your" software has been used in ONE brand, and it's respectability is a matter of debate.

    The other claims relate to the English Harbour group and Vegas Technology, from whom the software was purchased "as is" around a year ago, Any "development" has been limited to a few tweaks here and there.

    13 of the 14 years experience didn't produce much, as noone had even heard of this company before 2011.

    It is Vegas Technology and the EH group that have had many years of experience, and has operated "popular" and "trusted" casinos and software for this length of time.

    If this site is supposed to SUPPORT the PR story, it is a shot in one's own foot, as to me it renews suspicions that this is STILL English Harbour and Vegas Technology behind everything, and that THIS is the "dark secret" they are trying to keep hidden from players and webmasters, even to the extreme extent of shutting down any possibilty of tracing back through licensing information for the current operation.

    For a company with 14 years experience, this pathetic effort at webdesign just does not fit right.

    I suspect this site was thrown together in a hurry to allay suspicions that the company is fake because they have no web presence. This site does nothing to allay such concerns.
     
  18. Mar 15, 2012
  19. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    I told bryan i was not going to reply here but there are some things here that need to be said.

    First... I did NOT start this thread.
    Bryan, split this off from the combined thread that was started by that banned spammer from liberty slots.
    Don't be a mensch, bryan, Don't give me the credit for what you did.

    You haven't seen any evidence simply because you haven't looked.

    There is a thread at ADG where affiliates/players of casino coins/vegas tech are reporting receiving emails to their cc email account for Liberty Slots.
    So there is a LOT of evidence that poaching players has happened... even to the affiliates that are currently so vocal in their support.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Nick Yap was not JUST an employee of casino coins/vegas Tech he was the Head Affiliate manager, the top man, the big dog, nothing happened at cc that Nick Yap did not know about(Nick's own statements) and also according to Nick Yap he considered himself part of the casino coins owners 'family'....
    Nick Yap was not just an employee he was the man in charge.

    Nick Yap is also a personal friend of casinomeister... where I am obviously not.

    I am not going to go on here.. The response to the personal attrack against me by bryan and the information about my 'measly' $350. is on this post at AGD...
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Now i am really not going come back... Because I personally believe that casinomeister is not a valid player protection site.

    I pointed to bryan that casino coins was running a shady outfit that had stolen from me, at the time cc was trying to get certified here... bryan knew this and still certified them at casinomeister... Then a while back casino coins just closed their doors and ripped off MILLIONS from both players and affiliates... I'm not much of a "I told you so" kind of a person... but in this case... I told you so!

    This is not the only time this kind of thing has happened with casinomeister...

    I personally believe that back room deals and personal friendships have replaced ethics here at casinomeister.

    I don't really expect this post to stay... So I will repost this in it's entirety on my site, in the casinomeister reviews area.
    You can find it by Googleing [lots0cash reviews casinomeister]
     
  20. Mar 15, 2012
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    A personal attack on Bryan and this portal only serves to undermine your evidence against Casino Coins and the new Liberty Slots.

    The connection needs to be proven with evidence that could not be explained away by coincidence, and without reference to personal grievances as "proof" of wrongdoing or corruption.
     
    5 people like this.
  22. Mar 15, 2012
  23. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    And that's the problem with this whole 'debate' (not sure I can even grace it with that description)...speculation, guesswork, people going on tilt (again), complete about-turns of opinion without rational explanation (Nick Yap must be a helluva convincing fellow lol) and general confusion - that's my overall impression after spending over an hour following links and reading the various exchanges.

    The result is still that there is no real evidence as to who is behind this outfit, what the corporate history vis-a-vis the software is really all about, and whether they've been doing some questionable stuff with old databases.

    And we still do not even have an assurance that they are licensed and by whom.

    For me, it all adds up to a very worrying picture of possibly deliberate misinformation and blatant concealment.

    Me no like.:mad:
     
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  24. Mar 15, 2012
  25. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Jeeze - some people will do anything for a little bit of attention. :rolleyes:

    Sorry lots0 - this thread is not about you, even though it's you who wants the limelight here, it's about what is going on with Libertyslots.

    A couple of quick comments: no, Nick Yap is not a personal friend of mine. I had an enjoyable lunch about five years ago in Amsterdam with the guy, and I saw him for about two minutes in London last year where he mentioned that he was working for Libertyslots. That's about it.

    But one thing that I can say without hesitation, he garners much more respect from players and affiliates than you ever will. As I mentioned before, you are delusional and you are making an attempt to make a big deal out of something that is not. You got your $350, right? Don't go on about principles - you are clueless when it comes to that.

    Anyway - beyond the derailment of Lots0, I was hoping by now we would have a statement from Libertyslots on the licensing issue. I guess we have to wait until tomorrow.

    As for the poaching, unless there are seeded player accounts, we can only speculate. We have had a number of players in this forum who were members of EH, and have not received promotional emails from LS. So where is the beef?
     
  26. Mar 15, 2012
  27. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    lots0

    If this site is so crap and lacking in integrity, along with its owner.....

    WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE???

    You don't even have the courage of your own convictions.

    :rolleyes:
     
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  28. Mar 16, 2012
  29. maxd

    maxd Complaints (PAB) Manager Staff Member

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    It has been my observation that grandstanding blow-hards seldom do.
     
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  30. Mar 16, 2012
  31. X-Raided

    X-Raided I'm Beetlejuice Baby! PABinit

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    Again, another affiliate tarnishing a (new) online casino's name over something that has to do with
    commissions to affiliates and not over a player not receiving a payment they deserve.

    Look here Lots0, please don't try to kill the reputation of Liberty Slots. You see, us Americans don't have
    many options on where to play and having a Vegas Tech casino is a big deal to us. I said it before and I'll say it
    again.. An affiliate not getting commission from a casino will NOT keep me from depositing there. However a player
    not receiving a rightful payment that they deserve will.

    I think Liberty Slots is doing everything they can to be on the good side of CM and I have been
    observing their behavior, it's positive. Don't be a "big bad wolf" trying to blow their house down.
     
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  32. Mar 16, 2012
  33. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    That's my feeling, too. There's too much we don't know. They're concentrating too heavily on the USA market for my liking also. (I always have Linwood - ran by the Feds for years processing payments for casinos- in the back of my mind.)

    Even if I don't know who they are, if someone here were 'in the know' and could tell us, 'yeah, the owners used to manage Casino Whosits', or whatever, I'd feel more comfortable. It's all just too.... muddy....
     
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  34. Mar 16, 2012
  35. Cleveland

    Cleveland Meister Member

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    @ X-Raided: I wish I could thank your post twice!
     
  36. Mar 16, 2012
  37. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Here to seek attention from like-minded crapfellows.:D
     
  38. Mar 16, 2012
  39. mattsgame

    mattsgame Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    Thanks Jetset,

    This is what I was trying to put across but you have done it in a way better manner than I could.

    Lots0 - I don't think there was any need for that mate, you have some valid points etc but your bringing them across in the worst way possible.


    X-Raided - Respect you a lot and I see why you think it's just an affiliate issue based on Lots0 but for me its a concern in general and as a player, I cannot even remember if I was an affiliate with Casino Coins or if I started after they closed. (I know they didn't owe me a penny in any case)
     
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2012
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