let's get serious about roulette systems

[rouletteguy]

Anyone who has played roulette has a system some will double there bet 4x others indefinitely, Some bet exclusive columns or dozens, some will only flatbet with no doubling, the list goes on and on, Every single one of these systems works..........for a little while, given the right circumstances. The systems are all viable what comes into play is human error.

Take martingale for instance you double and double til you win, the bet becomes too much for your risk tolerance, or you exceed the table limit. What happens is you lose too much on a single bet and can't recover or a series of smaller wagers that exceed your level of risk beats you down. But what if you did your research? Generally you would find that the number series that you lost too is a rare occurrence and had it not been for that pattern you would be o.k. So should have not made that error.

Let's put it into perspective it is common for 3 of the same color but not more than 6 so strategy say's you should do your progressive 4x and on the 5th you should switch method's let's say by going to the color that is appearing, but money management, martingale would dictate betting 16 chips but you are gambling so instead you should lower that bet let's say 4 chips bet on the color that is appearing if you win lower that bet again to 2 and say you lose, you have just witnessed a run of colors that you have noticed is a rare occurrence so because of probability you know chances are good the same scenario won't repeat itself for a while so.......now you should feel relatively safe betting 2 or 4 chips on your progressive knowing that more than likely for the next little while a run will not appear exceeding 3 0r 4 but it might..........so then what, same thing odds of probability if a run comes up higher that's 2 that have appeared and now it is very very unlikely to see a run again.

I guess what I am trying to get at is the randomness of the game isn't alway's against you the use of proper money management during a losing streak is critical in order to make a recovery. I know all kinds of people will come on here blah blah blahing about no winning system to roulette and for the most part they are right but head on over to the wizard of odds sight and ask a few questions you'll see that the times where you have lost your stomach for a particular strategy are the best times to be enforcing it with a vengeance.

By that I mean the sequence that hit you hard is not likely to repeat itself in the near future but you should be prepared if it does by proper money management and that rare occurrence where it does come again only increases the likelihood that it won't. Now feel free to debunk me I expect it but you can't tell me this isn't good strategy for a random game.

Try it out I dare you when that big run of red wipes you out bet more than you normally do on the bet's after that run and because of probability (the same event won't repeat itself) you'll likely come out happier. Not every time but most times.

 

[lots0]

Your post is very hard to read.
You might want to break it up, add some line breaks to make it easy to read.

 

[maxd]

Paragraphs are a good thing. Use as many as you like.

 

[shadow123]

I know I will get some flack for this post but I really think that there is some system out ther yet to be discovered which will give a consistant profit on
most games of chance. Martingdale has been the downfall of many players
esp on roullette but used at appropriate times does give the player a short term advantage.I think we all tend to use it in some form even just increasing stakes on fruits when hitting a losing run.
a couple of things about the randonmess of red/black on roulette have always made me think.

Firstly if you do a run of say 1000 and hit say 10 reds in a row,when the run is complete, you will rarely find that reflected in the final red/black ratio. ie there does seem to be some compensation which evens the red and black count out.

if you dont bet until you see a run of 10 reds (a 1024 to 1 chance) - unlikely but it does happen then use martingale to bet on red,what is the chance of
hitting another long run of reds - 10 more would give be an overall chance of over 1 miilion - very unlikey so is there any merit merit is doing that.
I know there have roullette systems based on the latter and they have always been dismissed ( probably with good reason)

The usual comment is that you cannot and will not beat the house edge in the long run and mathmaticians have tried to devise a system for a long time with out any real success. but it can be interesting think about it

 

[KasinoKing]

I know I will get some flack for this post but I really think that there is some system out there yet to be discovered which will give a consistant profit on most games of chance.

I agree!
Please visit my site & sign-up to as many casinos as you like - I don't mind if you fleece them


{edit} Why is this thread in Skill Games?
Is roulette a game of skill now?

KK

 

[The Dude]

...
{edit} Why is this thread in Skill Games?
Is roulette a game of skill now?

KK

I guess some people think it is

Moved to here.

 

[The Dude]

A quick meister-blurb on systems:
https://www.casinomeister.com/about-us/philosophy/

 

[shadow123]

I agree!
Please visit my site & sign-up to as many casinos as you like - I don't mind if you fleece them


{edit} Why is this thread in Skill Games?
Is roulette a game of skill now?

KK

I did and have

 

[hitobito2005]

if you dont bet until you see a run of 10 reds (a 1024 to 1 chance) - unlikely but it does happen then use martingale to bet on red,what is the chance of
hitting another long run of reds - 10 more would give be an overall chance of over 1 miilion - very unlikey so is there any merit merit is doing that.
I know there have roullette systems based on the latter and they have always been dismissed ( probably with good reason)

The chance of getting another 10 reds is the same as the chance of the first 10 reds, 1 in 1024 (actually less than this due to the 0). The fact that you have already had 10 reds does not matter and does not change the probability of 10 more reds going forward.

The usual comment is that you cannot and will not beat the house edge in the long run and mathmaticians have tried to devise a system for a long time with out any real success. but it can be interesting think about it

You can't gain a short term advantage either, or any kind of advantage. Winning does not = an advantage. Winning = luck.

I doubt any mathematicians are wasting their time trying to devise a roulette system. It's very simply proved as impossible, not matter how you structure your bets.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I know I will get some flack for this post but I really think that there is some system out ther yet to be discovered which will give a consistant profit on
most games of chance. Martingdale has been the downfall of many players
esp on roullette but used at appropriate times does give the player a short term advantage.I think we all tend to use it in some form even just increasing stakes on fruits when hitting a losing run.
a couple of things about the randonmess of red/black on roulette have always made me think.

Firstly if you do a run of say 1000 and hit say 10 reds in a row,when the run is complete, you will rarely find that reflected in the final red/black ratio. ie there does seem to be some compensation which evens the red and black count out.

if you dont bet until you see a run of 10 reds (a 1024 to 1 chance) - unlikely but it does happen then use martingale to bet on red,what is the chance of
hitting another long run of reds - 10 more would give be an overall chance of over 1 miilion - very unlikey so is there any merit merit is doing that.
I know there have roullette systems based on the latter and they have always been dismissed ( probably with good reason)

The usual comment is that you cannot and will not beat the house edge in the long run and mathmaticians have tried to devise a system for a long time with out any real success. but it can be interesting think about it

Simple Roulette system.

1) Use martingale, or whatever you fancy.
2) When you get ahead, QUIT FOR EVER!!!

You then have a Roulette system that has made you a LIFETIME PROFIT

Step 2 is important, since it ensures the long term edge never gets the chance to do it's job, which is the undoing of every Roulette system that has ever existed before.

Almost 50% of people who have tried this system rate it a success

 

[3Dice]

Hi Shadow123,

There's two possible situations here. You could either be right or wrong. If you are at all considering the possibility of not being right, then please take a look at the articles

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. They should help you understand why you perceive things the way you do.

If you're not considering the possibility of being wrong, then consider that the best possible approach for anyone that finds the ultimate never failing system would be to keep it quiet. Keep it really really quiet .. don't talk about it, don't mention it, definitely don't post it in public, don't sell it, keep it for yourself and take the secret to your grave. Cause as a casino rep I can tell you that if I ever believe a roulette system is possible - I'm shutting down that game.

I haven't had the slightest hint of an urge to shut it down ever.

Regards,

Enzo

 

[winbig]

Hi Shadow123,

There's two possible situations here. You could either be right or wrong. If you are at all considering the possibility of not being right, then please take a look at the articles

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. They should help you understand why you perceive things the way you do.

If you're not considering the possibility of being wrong, then consider that the best possible approach for anyone that finds the ultimate never failing system would be to keep it quiet. Keep it really really quiet .. don't talk about it, don't mention it, definitely don't post it in public, don't sell it, keep it for yourself and take the secret to your grave. Cause as a casino rep I can tell you that if I ever believe a roulette system is possible - I'm shutting down that game.

I haven't had the slightest hint of an urge to shut it down ever.

Regards,

Enzo

Case in point - if a casino (offline) finds out that their shuffling systems either have a bug, or are malfunctioning, and players are picking up the patterns and never losing, then of course they're going to shut down the game.

Same thing goes for counting cards. Sure it's not illegal, but it's a working system. Although they can't outright ban you for counting cards, they will simply escort you off their property and tell you that your business is not welcomed there anymore. It's their right to ban you for whatever reason they see fit.

Just like Enzo said. If anyone with 1/4 of a brain had a 'foolproof' system that won all, or most all, of the time, then of course they would keep it to themselves. Once the secret's out, it's not a secret anymore.

 

[Jasminebed]

There is one big advantage to playing with a roulette system, especially online where you control when the wheel is spun.

It slows down your play and makes things more interesting for the bettor.

Money management, to set a goal for cashout and stick to it, will enable you to have winning sessions, if not overall profit.

That house edge is built into the game, and long term you will not overcome it.

Systems like martingale are especially vunerable to player ruin, since a losing streak can leave you betting a large sum of money to win a small sum of money, and the possibility of losing a large sum of money.

Keep in mind that this is Entertainment, and if you find it interesting to try different strategies, most of them are neither better or worse than the others. Some strategies will give you longer play then others.

One strategy that is available online is to choose a European wheel (single zero) over an American wheel (0 and 00) because there is a lower house edge.

Don't lose more than you are willing to lose, and hit that cashout button from time to time when you do have a lucky run.

 

[shadow123]

thanks for the comments on my posting reply
I am firmly of the opinion that the martingale system if used for too long
will clean you out and that all the best of the other existing systems can do is prolong your play time.
I was just pondering on the possibilities of a system existing that has never be found perhaps quantum theory where all possibilities exist at the same time
and the spin of the wheel will produce every possible outcome somewhere.

Think I had better keep out of the sun

Getting back to reality,I know success is down to lucky and good money management.
For the last few months I have used the old saying "be content to win a little" and had best run ever.

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: You asked for it, so here it is.

1. Roulette is a 35/1 game, not a 1/1 game. I always fail to understand why people play red/black, high/low, dozens, or any other outside bet, as their method of play? There are much better games with the close to 50/50 win/lose ratio, than roulette. It Pays 35 to 1, so you should be making bets at 35 to 1.

2. Like any game, or slot machine, Roulette will drif away from normal varience. Lost 12 in a row at BJ, had banker hit 12 in a row, lost 13 in a row at War, and so on. So, it does not matter what you are betting, where you are betting, or how many numbers you are betting, from time to time, You just cain't lose, and from time to time, you just cain't win.

3. What to do? First is to accept the varience. Second, is to not let the varience be what beats you. The following statement is a fact!

"What is suppose to happen the most, WILL HAPPEN THE MOST. And what is suppose to happen the least, WILL HAPPEN THE LEAST".

Using red/balck bet. Hitting 3 or less in a row vs hitting 4 or more in a row? What happens the most, and what happens the least? and, just because it happens the most, does not mean it happens first, or all the time, and vise ves for what happens the least.

Unless I am playing with a good size profit, and decided to take a chance with said profit, "I have done this a few times", i use the following method of playing.
____________________________________________________________

The 37 numbers never hit evenly. You never get all the numbers to hit anywhere close to the same number of times.
37 #'s X 111 spins = each number should have hit 3 times.
37 #s X 1110 spins = each number should have hit 30 times.
and so on.
Based on a 111 spin sequence.
So, what does that tell us? It tells us that the numbers 3-14-24-35-36, can hit a total of only 4 times, while the numbers 0-4-16-17-31 could hit a total of 26 times or more.

This happens every single time, in every single set. Only the numbers that hit/vs do not hit change, but the end result is always the same. Is it not then a good idea to, BET THE NUMBERS THAT ARE HITTING, and stay away from the ones that are not? If you do that, and at the same time, avoid losing to the varience, "the times that the hitting numbers are not hitting", then your chances of making a profit increase. How so?

You are going to lose bets. Losing bets = Losing $. Losing to much money = bankrupt, or at the table limits, and so on. Avoid this by using a multiple of 35, + a multiple of 70, one time. Betting 7 numbers, means you could make the same bet 5 times, and make a profit it any number hit in those 5 spins. If not, you have lost $35. You make one more bet, and one more bet only. What ever happens, this is your last bet in this sequence. It is a $2 bet. Win=profit, Lost= you lost $49, and the game went outside the normal varience to make you lose. You now flat bet $1 total, anywhere you want until one of those numbers hit, and start over again. Lets say they go 12 more spins until hitting. You ended up losing 18 bets in a row, and lost between $49 to $54 total. At 35/1 payout, this is easy to recover from.

By doing this, you are constantly betting on, "What happens the most", and avoiding, "what happens the least", on a consistant basis. This is the best way that I know, to play this game. It is not easy, it requires disipline, and it requires a lack of emotion, as to frustration setting in, as you see your bankroll dwindle right in fron of your eyes. This Happens. The point is, that your bankroll, "dwindeled vs Exploded all at once".

In closing, everyone who has played Roulette in a real casino has seen this, or had it happen to them. They are betting their favoriate numbers, ie 30-36. They start out flat betting, and then raise their bet as they keep losing. After 10 or more losses in a row they are broke, or they pull more money out of their wallet, and keep betting the same numbers."They have to hit sometime", he says. They get wiped out. They leave. They walk back by the table a bit later, and on the reader board is, 12-2-36-32-1-0-33-33-12-18-31. They throw their hands up in the air and say, "OH, NOW they hit"..............................

Hmmmmmmmmm. If he was still at the table? If he had stopped betting them a lot sooner? If he had protected his bankroll? And speaking of Bankroll, not bringing enough money to the table to get through losing streaks is a Guarentee that you will lose more often than not.

This is just me. This is just how I play. It is nothing more than that. Gambling is Fun. It is more Fun when you are winning. The key is, "Is it still fun when you are Losing'? If you can answer YES, then you are in control, and you are sticking to the game plan. No One wants to lose 18 in a row at any table game. But if you have to, and you know sometimes you will, It is a Lot of Fun to watch those last 13 or so losses in a row cost you a whopping total of $13.

 

[han_solo82]

You now flat bet $1 total, anywhere you want until one of those numbers hit, and start over again. Lets say they go 12 more spins until hitting. You ended up losing 18 bets in a row, and lost between $49 to $54 total. At 35/1 payout, this is easy to recover from.

Hey Love2winalot!

Your method of playing seems great and is getting a little bit clearer in my head but what do you mean by saying to flat bet anywhere you want?

Also when do you start betting a sequence (you must have a trigger of some sort) and when do you stop (after 1 win or do you continue if you win one time?)

When it comes to win, I'm all about patience, but losing control is so easy if you don't have a precise plan, which I don't have at this moment.

 

[rouletteguy]

I think everybody missed the whole point..........When those devastating runs come up that go against your system and destroy it It's like an open window........You should feel very safe and secure increasing your wager and employing your system then because the event has happened already odds of probability are for the short term on your side.

like this 10 reds is common but 10 reds 2 blacks 10 reds is unheard of sure it could happen and I'm not saying it never will but the chances are very very slim.

By employing proper money management during this event (stop doubling when it's dumb) and then hitting hard right after "gambling" that it won't repeat any time soon you're in a good position to be right and therefore profitable.

odds of 10 same color are 1024-1, I disagree because these runs happen way more often than that at casinomeister accredited casino's I have played but odds of 2 huge runs almost back to back???? I have seen it only once.

To put it in perspective in an hour of play I have seen runs of 10 three or 4 times and at least once every hour that's why I disagree with the 1024-1 I'd say it's more like 1-300 guessing thats how many spins I get in an hour. And that's experience not mathematics. I'd rather be overly cautious than overly optimistic.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

i used to have a nice system i made after long calculations, even lot of my friends used this with lot of succes, yes its not possible to find a system which will make U rich or give 100% winnings, but my system seemed to work really well..... i used 1nd,2nd and 3rd colon. It was mainly used at 2 bookies, and it has to be where they accept 10 cents roulette....
I will be happy to post it if anyone is interested, or actually its stupid posting something that is working quite well....
You wont get rich on it, but myself and my friends made around 20-30$ in average a day, just playing 1 hour.

 

[takethemoney]

Do you know what the casinos say about system players?

Bring em on!

Those kinds of fools and their money are even faster parted.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

Do you know what the casinos say about system players?

Bring em on!

Those kinds of fools and their money are even faster parted.

Yes that is why its more wise to use bookies, that uses old style roulette software :sniper: << i like that smiley

 

[rouletteguy]

Hey cool we're getting some intelligent posts........I like it. There are nay sayers as I expected but some of the successful "strategy" (let's not use the word system) players are coming out as well. Let me post another strategy that has worked well for me.

You wait for doubles of a number to come up then you bet split bets on all other numbers but that one and one of it's neighbours for like 10 spins. Yeah yeah I know someday at some point in the next 100,000 spins blah blah blah it'll lose........so what? what about the other 500 times it's successful?

Let's not forget that we are gambling here alright once in a blue moon a zero or that # will come up within the 10 spins and hit you where it hurts. You could alway's put 2 chips on each split bet and 1 on zero to dampen the blow.

Not one time would I state there is a 100 percent safe winning system for roulette what I play is odd's of probability (the chance of a same pattern repeating in the near future is very very slim.) But hey what do I know I read online about some lottery where the same numbers from the week before won again Sure it could happen (and did) ......but what are the odds?????

 

[hitobito2005]

Rouletteguy I don't think you understand maths, because everything you are saying is incorrect. Your "strategies" are based on the theory that if something unlikely happens (eg 10 reds), then it's very unlikely to happen agains straight away. Wheras in reality the probability of it happening again is unchanged.

Your other point:

Yeah yeah I know someday at some point in the next 100,000 spins blah blah blah it'll lose........so what? what about the other 500 times it's successful?

In all situations you will win a little 500 times but when you lose, you will lose all that you have won plus more. There is no guarantee that you will win lots before losing. The massive loss could very well come on your first spin.

There are no situations in roulette where the odds are in your favour, short term or otherwise. Playing a strategy is no different to playing random sized bets on random places each spin.

 

[winbig]

Actually, there are two situations where the odds are in your favor, and neither apply to online play.

1) You're 'in' with the croupier
2) You find a biased wheel - it's rare, but I'm sure there's a couple out there, somewhere..
[edit] actually there's 3..
3) You're a good cheat.[/edit]

In 1873, Jagger hired six clerks to clandestinely record the outcomes of the six roulette wheels at the Beaux-Arts Casino at Monte Carlo, Monaco. He discovered that one of the six wheels showed a clear bias, in that nine of the numbers (7, 8, 9, 17, 18, 19, 22, 28 and 29) occurred more frequently than the others. He therefore placed his first bets on 7 July 1875 and quickly won a considerable amount of money, £14,000 (equivalent to around 50 times that amount in 2005, or £700,000, adjusted for inflation).

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[rouletteguy]

Hey there liquid fusion I'll agree mathematically your correct the little ball can land anywhere and is not influenced by previous spins. But based on hundreds of thousands of spins.........not so. Not even close.

People are great at quoting this wizard of odds guy but seem to totally through statistics out the window when it is in favour of a particular strategy. The only thing I am promoting is odds, The odds of 2 big run's back to back, The odds of a number hitting 3x in a row etc. for either one the odds are very slim,

Both occurrences have happened yes and both will happen again but the odds are against it happening. Look at the lottery story where the same numbers were repeated the following week that is a once in a lifetime occurrence.

I know it's the gambler's fallacy someday at some point the strategy will fail but until it does I'll happily reap the rewards and that one time it does fail I'm out a whole 17 bucks. As a gambler once it does occur I will calculate the odds of it happening again (odds) employ it and recoup that 17 bucks.

So I'm speaking from experience here and I want someone to debunk me, So I issue a challenge 100 thousand spins at the wheel of your choice employing these 2 strategies and let's see where it goes. In reality most would only play 1000 spins at a time maximum but then I'd have to listen to all these people say
"It only won because of the small mumber of spins" again another real life scenario nobody debunking would employ but that break from the table could equally be the time the number series comes up that you lose on. so to be fair it should be run (analyzed) with 1000 spin intervals not 100,000 spins back to back to give the RNG time to pick different seed numbers the same as it would be in real life.

 

[dealer wins]

All these discussions dont overcome the fact that roulette has a fixed house edge. It is not possible to overcome any game with a fixed house edge, even if that edge was only 0.01% let alone one with over 2.5%.

There is more change of coming up with a way to travel faster than the speed of light than devising a successful roulette system.

 

[hitobito2005]

Hey there liquid fusion I'll agree mathematically your correct the little ball can land anywhere and is not influenced by previous spins. But based on hundreds of thousands of spins.........not so. Not even close.

Ignore your own perceptions, the human mind is a crazy thing and makes patterns from nothing.

The odds are indeed against hitting the same number 3 times in a row (for example), but the odds that the game of roulette pay you for betting for/against any outcomes are always less than the true odds.

But enough of this, you seem to have an almost religious faith in the possibility of systems/strategies and I suspect no amount of logic, reason and mathematics will persuade you otherwise.

All I can say is please don't put too much money into this!

 

[lots0]

But enough of this, you seem to have an almost religious faith in the possibility of systems/strategies and I suspect no amount of logic, reason and mathematics will persuade you otherwise.

I think you hit the nail on the head...

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: I think part of what he is talking about, streaks, 3 in a row, and such, is what I call an, "END", bet. When will what is happening end? If you chart, and use recorded spins from Books, Web Sites, play for free results, and so on, you can make a, "END", List. Here is what mine looks like.

Most red/black in a row--19
Same dozen/0 in a row --12
Same 2 dozen/0 in a row--25
Different numbers in a row without a repeat--22
Spins in a row without the same dozen repeating--22
same 2 numbers in a row--6
most spins a row where 0-26-32 did not hit--126
Most spins in a row a single number did not hit--327
The most spins needed to get one number to hit 6 times--111
and on an on............

So, if you are betting, and keeping track of everything, once in a while you will notice that one of the above is nearing the End. This is as good as anything else to bet on. As always, you bet enough to profit from it, but not so much that losing wipes you out.

Why do I make this type of bet sometimes? Simply Put, it forces the game to do something, "I", have never seen it do before, in order to beat me. It has gone 20 spins in a row like this, 12-33-13-7-12-36-24-7-22-25-1 ect ect. For the next 3 spins, i will bet the last dozen that hit, to repeat. If it does I win. If it does not, then the game just went 23 in a row without repeating.

The longer you have played, and the more results you have documented, the better your END list becomes. For ME, if I lose, and I can say, "The game just did something i never saw it do before", and that is what beats me, then so be it, I can accept that. And since We are not talking about betting the farm, it is a acceptable way to Gamble. I mean, if you can't even do this, then what are you doing in a casino in the first place?

There is nothing wrong with trying to, "Build a better Mouse trap", as long as the resources being put into it came from your carpentry funds, and not from the rent, or car payment, or other such things. Besides, When someone comes along and starts posting about a method of play, "That Never Loses", we can make bets with each other as to how long that poster will be around......hehehehe, Anyone remeber the poster, "Ghost"?

 

[han_solo82]

same 2 numbers in a row--6

What do you mean by that, something like :

32-36-36-32-32-36

 

[kakata]

What do you mean by that, something like :

32-36-36-32-32-36

yes thats what he meant....

 

[love2winalot]

Yes, that is what i meant. The 2 numbers were 7 & 12, it was at the Flamingo here in las vegas about 4 years ago. 7-12-12-7-12-7. I have also seen the same number hit 5 times in a row, it was the #6, and at the Wynn.

PS: Not to derail, but i am derailing anyways....... if you like Roulette, most would also like Sic Bo. Hey, dice totals of 4 or 17, at a payout of 62 to 1, is a nice little profit for only $1 or $2....

 

[rouletteguy]

Love2winalot seems to be on the right path it's really the only way to be successful at roulette long term. And by successful I don't mean win every time I mean win more than you lose. I never once claimed it to be infalliable.

That one time it does lose you don't go bust on it and because it is a rare occurrence you don't get frustrated about the loss, you patiently recoup it.

This is what I do for fun, create different strategies to try and beat that wheel, not systems (I define a system as a rigid betting sequence not open to adaptability) I've pled my case and asked you to go try it for yourself and debunk me. I'm not a neutral 3rd party so if I post my spins and results I'll be accused of "doctoring" them.

I am very glad to see other roulette players are posting there strategies as well so I know I'm not alone. Sound strategy and MONEY MANAGEMENT are the only way to be successful at roulette long term and again success is not winning 100 percent of the time it's looking at your bank roll end of week and seeing a consistent gain.

You cannot teach people to gamble properly they need to learn it on there own. the reason the wheel is cursed so much is because we just can't eat that loss and move on. We want it to be easy and as soon as it get's hard we try to force a profit with increased wagers or risky maneuvers, patience is key emmotional attachment to your money is not. I learned that the hard way feeding the wheel more than I should have in an attempt to recoup losses A.S.A.P. and that maneuver alone will wipe you out.

Wise words quoted from someone on this forum "quit when it's not fun anymore" will do more to keep you from going bust than any system or strategy tomorrow is a new day.

What I'm trying to do is share what I have found from experience and gain credibility for viewing roulette as a skill game

Because from what I've seen posted too frequently around this forum (Reader Discretion Advised) is a whole lotta know it all know nothing's quoting bullshit from other know it all know nothing's that makes roulette look like a game for idiot's and it's far from it. It require's a great deal of control and strategy and can create positive results consistently the same as black jack when played properly.

I'd venture to guess the same people bashing roulette are slots players for the most part which I think is a fool's game so we're even. Worse case in roulette I got a 37-1 shot of winning where as slot's you can feed all day and never get a hit but it's all gambling in the end isn't it? We enjoy what we enjoy and on a good day you can hit the jack pot and be smiling. But I've also noticed these slot's players usually have a strategy or ........method of play that they employ and swear by to increase there odds of winning.

hmmmmm.......... a strategy for a completely random game hmmm...........
that pay's off for them frequently hmmm........ Glad to see I'm not the only crazy one.

 

[lots0]

What I'm trying to do is share what I have found from experience and gain credibility for viewing roulette as a skill game

That ain't never gonna happen.

The mathematics is against you.. and you can't logically argue against mathematics.

 

[rouletteguy]

Also like to thank 3 dice for the articles in his post namely gambler's fallacy. this is on a 50/50 even odds bet (coin toss) and is trying to be employed to a 37 number sequence. When you toss a coin it's alway's 50/50 when you put 37 different numbers in a hat, pull em all out 1 by one then stuff em back in and shake em up would you imply there is a 50/50 chance of drawing those same numbers in the same sequence again? What about in the next 10 draws? The same reason your odds of winning the lottery are 16 million to 1 is the same reason rare occurrences are even rarer to repeat any time soon. It's a mathematical improbability is all I'm saying and they should be taken advantage of and looked on as just that it can happen but the odds are slim it will.

 

[StaceyLee]

Keep up the good work!!!

God I love this site. It is so good to hear the experiences, ideas, logic and opinions, (good and bad), from seasoned and not-so-seasoned players. Me being the latter. As I am surrounded by reams of paper, (from researching, recording and nutting things out) and only a coupla months practice mode, I am proud to say that I do see both sides of the argument. I do like the attitudes however that each game has a wave (like stockmarket) and that human nature is the biggest killer of a strategy designed to win small but consistently.

I am an advocate for smart, safe betting using one or more systems/strategies to generate a slow but steady profit, knowing that a bad day at the office will happen on a regular basis and result in a loss, but will not affect overall profit, if rules are adhered. Set targets, and STOP. Have substantial bankroll to commence with and walk away when having a bad day.

After much research I have joined the die-hards and just commenced my little "strategy" for roulette and now with exercise book drawn up I will consistently play for one month, (practice mode) to assess results, fine tune, etc. Yeah I know one month is not one year or ten years experience but three times a week for one month I am hoping will provide me with a reasonable assessment before I make the decision to play for real. This is what I have arrived at:

Two systems running consecutively. Betting B/R and O/E. When betting Red also bet Odd. When betting Black also bet Even. Swap betting sequence on every new roll - regardless of results. When runs appear the swapping back and forth between them tends to allow for bankroll to be sustained. (And sorry rouletteguy but I have on several occasions seen repetitive 8-12 runs repeated again immediately and/or very soon after they break, and more than twice in one session.)

Three sessions per visit with target of $10 win for each. Obviously win for the visit is $30. Not much, but achievable and when repeated 3-4 times per week becomes consistent addition to budget. (Sorry fun players, I am attacking this from a practical angle as my pleasure is nutting out problems and playing the risk, rather than playing just for the fun of it and hoping to crack a win/jackpot. Never liked lotto!)

Each session starts with 2222 for B/R and 2222 for O/E. You know the drill from here - win and cross off end number, lose and add bet amount to end of line.

Sometimes the $10 target is reached in less than a minute. But always STOP when reached. Start next session with new set of lines 2222 for B/R and 2222 for O/E. I find running the two together seems to help sustain bankroll during losses.

Hiccups so far: One session can take up to one hour to complete for $10 win. Must have a $500-$1,000 starting balance - one session so far got to loss of $300 but turned around and climbed back to starting point. When starting point is reached do not continue to make $10 profit - STOP. QUIT. CLOCK UP TO BAD RUN AND START AGAIN. (Playing 5 casinos this way helps sustain a net profit, and of course on a good week, can provide up to $500 week return.)

Never change betting routine throughout run!!!! Even when R/O is coming up when betting B/E and it feels like you are on the wrong wave. Is tempting but will cause confusion and anxiety and blows out the consistency. Having said that If R/B run is finished and O/E run is blowing out past 30-50 spins, appearing stuck, for want of a better word, I sometimes play out this line but quit O/E and flip to B/R. Once $10 win has been reached. STOP.

Well guys and gals this is my amateur little contribution and I will keep you posted, for those interested, by providing the results after one month. If looks worthwhile I will commence for real play, (after any fine tuning) and report back on this. If it totally sucks, back to the drawing board and who knows maybe I will take up lotto. :notworthy

 

[han_solo82]

I have also seen the same number hit 5 times in a row, it was the #6, and at the Wynn.

Wow, that's like 1 chance in 69 millions if on a single zero roulette!

Now that's rare

 

[rouletteguy]

Well there you have it in black and white Stacey Lee debunked me on several occasions she has witnessed repetitive runs of 8-12 very close together all I can do is argue that the wins between these runs would have outweighed the losses. may I ask how long the string of numbers was in between these runs? time is nothing because you get alot of spins in a minute or 2. I've seen runs of 10 3-4 times in an hour of play and still been successful with this.

Now everyone can pick apart her strategy. I think it needs some tweaking myself which she has stated she will do because I've bet the two (color and odd even) simultaneously and had it back fire enough to use it sparingly but it uses the same principle as my strategy the odds of a losing streak coming up often enough in a slightly complex betting strategy are slim enough to make it a worthwhile endeavour.

A little diversity is a good idea I call it hedge betting eventually Stacey lee will have several strategies she employ's depending on game conditions and her appetite for risk/reward all part of one big strategy.

What???? did you honestly think I'd sit on black and red waiting for a run of ten numbers so I could slip in and make a lousy 5 bucks!!!! no no no I just take the easy 5 bucks at an opportune time after 4-5 reds i'd be putting a chip on that color til the run stopped IF I hadn't seen a big run yet during that session, or I could be tracking odd's and evens and when I saw 3-4 bet against the trend, same with high and low

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: Just a note for Roulette players. You have a 1 in 37 chance of betting 1 number and have it hit. You have a 1 in 100,000 chance of having someone/anyone tell you that your number hit because of anything you did, or did not do. If you want someone to say this Game is ANYTHING other than LUCK, that is not gonna happen.

I posted this because it is true. If you accept the Truth, then it is so much easier to play, enjoy the game, and even post on message boards about it.

If you want to try to Win an Argument on the Internet, that will not happen either. Then, when that discussion is on using a method of play to win at Roulette, then that really is not gonna happen. ACCEPT IT. You make your point, you explain it, and you move on.

I have a saying. I think i invented it.................It goes like this,
"I would rather be laughed at, while cashing in at the cashier cage, than be complimented while taking more money out at the ATM machine".

 

[Sodax77]

Oh man, of course there is a bulletproof roulette system.
And it will works!

Just play no zero roulette/no house edge roulette/similar,
and bet to both, Red and Black - Same amount

...it was hard to keep this secret,
but i can promise that you will not lose anything,
EVER! ...And Enzo will shutdown his Roulette now.

...Cause as a casino rep I can tell you that if I ever believe a roulette system is possible - I'm shutting down that game.

Of course, if you want profit... then it is different story,
The topic says: " let's get serious about roulette systems".

....ok, ok...
...btw, about card counting, i just find this:
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And is Roulette a skill game (no )?
Ladbrokess Games, BlueSQ Skill Games, etc have Roulette on
Skill game-area as well.

 

[The Dude]

I just wanted to bring this up real quick before this thread gets too "serious"

1.16 - Gambling Systems. For some reason, there are people who believe that the membership consists of morons. The members may be a lot of things, but stupid they ain't. If you attempt to sell a gambling "system", you will be publicly ridiculed and harassed until we're bored with you. You'll then be banished to Never Land where you can play with Tinker Bell and all the magical fairies. You'll be a happier person there.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

 

[hitobito2005]

I'm going to avoid this thread now, it's making me despair

What's the point in proving you wrong if you won't listen?

 

[Sodax77]

I just wanted to bring this up real quick before this thread gets too "serious"

1.16 - Gambling Systems. For some reason, there are people who believe that the membership consists of morons. The members may be a lot of things, but stupid they ain't. If you attempt to sell a gambling "system", you will be publicly ridiculed and harassed until we're bored with you. You'll then be banished to Never Land where you can play with Tinker Bell and all the magical fairies. You'll be a happier person there.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

Honestly, let's peoples will talk about systems, even those will not work - at all, or only moment.
Some people may have suggestions and ideas, how to play "better" way.
So what was point with the rules? Do you will ban us if we continue or why you pointed out that.
There is no "selling".

It is like, "roulette system" is banned subject here?!
But "rigged slots", bashing casinos,
and screaming like "CASINO XYZ STOLE MY MONEY!!!" is ok?

As long, people will speak their opinions, then it is ok. If someone come here, and sell something, then ban that person.

Seriously

I'm going to avoid this thread now, it's making me despair

What's the point in proving you wrong if you won't listen?

Exactly.

 

[The Dude]

...There is no "selling"...

It called "nipping things in the bud". Just a preemptive public service announcement, that's all

 

[rouletteguy]

There will be no selling here on my part the roulette players are getting the drift Smart strategy and intelligent betting increases your chances at roulette end of story. If we choose to discuss our strategies and profit from the knowledge then what the hell?

See lot's of people coming on bashing our methods etc. but I don't see any with valid proof, they're just quoting mathematicians etc. How did Martingale get famous? Somebody made a shit load of money from it, lebouchere, etc. they worked for somebody LONG ENOUGH to make them wealthy. Long term they'll eventually fail but..........will they fail consistently enough to wipe you out? is the failure sequence just a random event?

People bashing strategy are trying to say the event which hurts your roll is going to repeat more than the successful method we're countering with "no it won't" Based on MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY nothing more nothing less.

It's a random game so when a random sequence occurs that hurts it likely won't repeat in the near future it's statistically very highly improbable.

look at it this way you could possibly play and see nothing but red it is possible ( I never have) but what are the odds? you could see 4 red 4 black 4 red etc. repeat indefinitely but what are the odds? they're pretty slim now........What are the odds of seeing that same sequence again? What are the odds of seeing that same sequence tomorrow?

We're gambling the odds are on our side it won't show up again for a while.
It's just common sense. Now that some lottery had a number repeat 2 weeks in a row are you going to start playing last week's numbers?????? No because the odds are super slim it'll ever happen again.

 

[The Dude]

How did Martingale get famous? Somebody made a shit load of money from it....

But I'll bet you casinos have made more money off of Martingale users than any Martingale user has made off of a casino.

 

[love2winalot]

But I'll bet you casinos have made more money off of Martingale users than any Martingale user has made off of a casino.

Hiya: That statement is completely true. It is a Fact. I would also venture the following statement is true.

Casino's have made more money off of card Counters, than any card Counter has made off of a casino.

Even though card Counting can give the player an advantahe over the casino, and despite counter measures, there are still players that make a profit counting cards. But you don't see BJ being taken out of the casino's? Why?

Because most card counters do it poorly/wrong/to aggresivley/to small of a bankroll, and so on. Card Counters are welcomed with open arms, "Professionals excluded", because of the above mentioned reasons. Every Gambling book sold in every casino in las vegas, in the BJ section has an area on Card Counting. Why do you think the casino allows these books to be sold inside their casino?........................

This applys to Roulette also. A lot of players have different methods of play, "systems". Most of them are sound, "control your losses", and provide the player with a set method of play. But, Most Roulette players, Just like BJ players, will abandon what they are suppose to do, or just start betting in any manner as soon as the varience shows it, and they are getting killed.

We have read, and seen many times, of players who just keep losing the to dealer 5-6 up card, because they stood on their total of 14-15, andthe dealer made his hand. Let this happen many times in a row, and it takes real disipline to, "Stand", when it comes up again. A lot can/do not, and they start hitting, because, playing the proper way was just not working.

Same thing with Roulette. Bet any way, and anywhere you want to. have a preset stopping point. Now, lose those bets, and at the stopping point, have your number hit on the next spin. have this happen many times in a row. Now, most players end up moving their pre set stopping point back 1 more spin. Thus, more money bet. They lose. Now what? One more spin, again? That leads to, "Damn it, it has to hit sometime", that leads to the message on the screen, "You are broke. Would you like to go to Banking now, so you can continue to play"? hehehehe

CasinoMeister is right. "insert comp points here" This disscusion has so far been good, and stable. Those on both sides have been civil, and no one has posted any link to any system selling site or any thing like that. No one has tried to point players to a specific casino to play Roulette because the game there has a flaw, and is beatable, and so on.

So, "I", thank you all for this, and hope everyone keeps posting in the same type of manner, and everyone simply agree's to disagree, or vise versa. The name of the game is to make a profit, and have fun playing, "No matter what the choice of game might be".

 

[hitobito2005]

Because most card counters do it poorly/wrong/to aggresivley/to small of a bankroll, and so on. Card Counters are welcomed with open arms, "Professionals excluded", because of the above mentioned reasons. Every Gambling book sold in every casino in las vegas, in the BJ section has an area on Card Counting. Why do you think the casino allows these books to be sold inside their casino?........................

This applys to Roulette also. A lot of players have different methods of play, "systems". Most of them are sound, "control your losses", and provide the player with a set method of play. But, Most Roulette players, Just like BJ players, will abandon what they are suppose to do, or just start betting in any manner as soon as the varience shows it, and they are getting killed.

Arrrgghhhhhhhh..

*breathes*

Card counting = Sometimes you can gain real, measurable mathematical player edge over the casino.

Roulette = You can never, ever gain any form of edge over the casino.


There's no grey area here, it's black and white (black and red? ).


If a B&M casino sees someone playing blackjack in a way that gives them any significant edge, they will no longer be allowed to play. No casino has ever and will ever eject someone for playing roulette with a "strategy" (unless they are actually cheating, but that's a whole different matter). Of course, you can't card count online. Both games are losers, but single 0 roulette is about 5 times worse than standard BJ.

Rouletteguy, you're talking about mathematical probability, but I don't see any maths. Lets see some. Stop talking about vague "slim chances" and "highly improbable" and actually put some figures and workings down. What is the chance of x event? Is it less than expected? Should x event happen more than it does? Or less?

This is a discussion about maths but all I see is words.

 

[rouletteguy]

I haven't posted any math's because it's just common sense and I'm too lazy. So let's review shall we..........run of 10 is 1024-1 according to wizard of odds
very rare occurrence, my opinion is the odds of seeing the same sequence soon after is even rarer my opinion is that if you do see it then the odds of seeing 2 huge runs back to back again is even rarer still .....it's happened and not likely to repeat any time soon. Your argument is it's random and it will repeat. Odd's my friend is all it is. In layman's terms it could happen but it probably won't.

It's just a mathematical improbability. No smoke and mirrors about it.
put it into context..........you could see all numbers 1-37 hit consecutively you probably won't you could see a run of 100 same color you probably won't you could see em hit all red odd and black even (blowing Stacey lee out of the water) but you probably won't and you could see these sequences hit often enough to bankrupt you BUT YOU PROBABLY WON'T!!!! that's all it is.

GAMBLING!!!!! that a pattern formed within a random game won't duplicate often enough to damage you, that it will appear infrequently enough for you to capitalize on the randomness by implementing a patterned sequence of betting. To screw you the 2 patterns need to match inversely and we don't think it will very often. That is all it is no harm done and it makes sense.

All the naysayers rant it will form that pattern but that the game is random. Is it or isn't it? because you can't have both.

The pattern will form eventually, play long enough and you'll see it back to back maybe 3 times in a row even but will you see it 2-3 times in a row often enough to hurt you in the long run? We GAMBLE that it won't and we employ control of greed and chasing losses to minimize the damage done if it does.

pretty simple huh? a random game won't consistently form a specific pattern
when it does you lose a bit of money when it doesn't you profit. The smart money say's it won't.

And mr Bailey you are 100% correct more lose with martingale than win but is that failure of the system or failure of the gambler to control loss? It's a hard one because progression in one form or another is a part of virtually every successful table game gambling strategy. To me that suggests it's not the system it's the method of use. The system is correct because it compensates for our inability to be correct 100% of the time human error is what makes it fail such as "it's gotta change somtime" as opposed to " I ain't betting 64 bucks to win 1"

small alternating runs of numbers are more frequent than long runs proven time and time again so why people persist in doubling til table limit is beyond me other than they just can't take a small loss once in awhile.

 

[winbig]

1024:1 is rare?

I'd say not common, but rare?

 

[rouletteguy]

I'll give you that one winbig uncommon would be more accurate than rare.