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Discussion in 'Political Rants' started by felicie, Mar 21, 2010.

    Mar 21, 2010
  1. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    March 20, 2010


    Dear Friend of Liberty,

    Right now, Congress is in the midst of a rare weekend session to force a vote on ObamaCare. Despite what the Democrat leadership and much of the press are claiming, passage of their health care scheme is anything but inevitable. There is still time for patriots like you to take action in defense of our liberties and bring an end to ObamaCare!

    Call Congress now! Let your representative know they will have to answer for their position on this legislation in November.

    The government has been purposefully misleading the public by claiming this health care scheme will reduce the deficit over time. However, as this letter from the Congressional Budget Office shows, the deficit will actually increase when they implement their whole plan.

    Even if the phone lines are busy, keep calling until you get through. The pro-ObamaCare forces have been well organized and are tirelessly lobbying Congress in support of this legislation. We must counter their efforts with all our energy.

    We all have seen the monumental success our movement can achieve when applying pressure to Congress in our effort to "Audit the Fed." Now is the time to turn up the heat and let them know we will not take this government takeover of health care lying down!

    We must be vigilant in defense of our liberties, and the time is now to take action! Let it not be said that when our liberties were threatened we did nothing.


    In Liberty,



    John Tate

    President
     
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  2. Mar 21, 2010
  3. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account webmeister

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    I already have felicie:thumbsup:.................laurie
     
  4. Mar 21, 2010
  5. bryand

    bryand Beach Bum PABnonaccred mm1

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    As I watch this unfold I am amazed how the ruling party doesn't even seem to care that most Americans are against this legislation. It is complete arrogance.
     
  6. Mar 21, 2010
  7. kauphy

    kauphy Meister Member

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    have done it again and again and again. i called and e-mailed all of the sentors so many times since last year when this all started. got my fingers crossed and am parying real hard that this gets put in the trash right where it and some of them belong.:mad:
     
  8. Mar 21, 2010
  9. Nifty29

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    My understanding was that ObamaCare was supposed to improve access to healthcare for Americans.....??

    Did I miss something? What is the main objection/s?

    Just curious.
     
  10. Mar 21, 2010
  11. bryand

    bryand Beach Bum PABnonaccred mm1

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    Ummm....should that be praying or partying? :p
     
  12. Mar 21, 2010
  13. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    Absolutely and that's what's so scary. He does not give a damn about anyone's opinion and yes is the only answer. We might as well just ride it out and try to fix it later unless he appoints himself king of course.
     
  14. Mar 21, 2010
  15. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    I have no health insurance and haven't for several years due to being self employed or working for a small company. My feeling is its a no choice deal, and having a half-assed plan with government run hospitals etc. is not worth giving up everything I've been raised to believe all my life. It's real simple - no on socialism. Don't need govt. in my doctors office, my bank account, my church, at my dinner table telling me how to raise my children, in our schools telling me what my child should learn or even in my favorite gambling forum. Real simple.
     
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  16. Mar 21, 2010
  17. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

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    there are a bunch of problems with the cost of healthcare here.
    Health insurance is mostly employer based. Your employer pays a portion and the employee pays a portion. lose the job lose the insurance.

    The problems:
    Insurance premiums are rising very fast. The local pizza shop told me last summer she was paying $1700 a month(the monthly payment is called a premium here) for a family of 5. Last month she told me it is now $1900 a month. that is a lot of pizzas to sell.

    My sister told me her premiums went up 50% for a 12 employee business.

    There are too many law suits so doctors cover their butts by running a bunch of extra tests and bill the insurance companies who inturn pass the cost on to their customers. Also doctors pay a fortune for mal-practice insurance out of fear of being sued for mistakes.

    The medical records are not computerized. Many patients are under the care of several doctors, ie.. specialists. Thus a patients doctor's do not have a clue what the others are testing for and what medicines they are prescribing.

    Computerizing the records should save some money.

    The sick:
    Here in the USA a hospital can not turn a person away if they use the emergency room. so many people use them that hospitals must pass this cost on to the insured. as an FYI 50% of hospitals in the USA lose money.

    1 hour in an operating room costs about $3K. A one mile ride in an ambulance cost about $950-$1100.

    Currently, we have two public medical insurance/healthcare programs, Medicare and Medicaid. Medicare is the Federal program and is for Seniors and the Disabled.

    Medicaid is a state program and for poor and disabled. It is possible to qualify for both if you're very poor. I believe the poverty level is $ < 12K a year for a single person in the USA.

    Some people fall through the crack, they make to much to be considered poor and thus do not qualify for the government programs but can't afford private insurance.

    What these programs pay doctors for services is less than what having private insurance would pay. I believe it is 20% less but I am not totally sure.

    Therefore doctors don't like treating medicare/medicaid patients because they make squat, and pass this cost on to those with private insurance thus causing insurance premiums to rise, ie.. on to small businesses like the pizza lady and my sister has. There is also a ton of fraudulent claims with these programs.

    Briefly,

    Obama wants to insure those without health insurance (30 million) so they won't use the emergency room and drive up costs that are passed on to those with private insurance. He wants to keep kids on their parents insurance plan until they're 26. For those that can't afford insurance he's giving a tax credit.

    Those against Obamacare want to use an open market approach, ie competition to lower monthly premiums and also limit the lawsuit payouts (ie.. tort reform), like is done in the UK. The states here limit the number of companies that can sell insurance in that state thus creating small monopolies.

    I'm sure both would like to see the system computerized.

    Obama says that the lawsuit payouts are such a small cost of the overall heathcare cost that is won't make a dent in it.
     
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  18. Mar 21, 2010
  19. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

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    are you watching fox news? :)
     
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  20. Mar 21, 2010
  21. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account webmeister

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    Why do those who support this bill ask the same question over again about Fox news, what are they so afraid of?

    Im listening to several news programs as the American people do want insurance reform but not the goverment shoving it down our throats and playing dirty politics in the backrooms of Washington to futher their socialist agendas:mad:

    Name me one thing Obama has done in his first year in office, where was C-Span, where is the Transparency, he talked the talk in the elections but hasnt shown he is walking the walk as promised and he has lied to the American people, this isnt Obama's White House, its the American peoples house.

    The American people want to see jobs and a stronger economy not a goverment take over of their lives, shouldnt Obama be utilizing his time in office to make a difference by bringing our troops home and doing what he said he would when elected.

    Im disgusted as an American to see such a P Whipped Congress and Senate and i hope that they will be reminded of this everyday when they have to come back to thier home states and face the people, hope they have some cushy jobs bought for them by their yes vote as so many others are not that fortunate in our country right now.

    Rant Over:) Laurie
     
  22. Mar 21, 2010
  23. slotplayer

    slotplayer Senior Member webmeister

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    I watch fox news all the time and CNN as well but fox more. but I'm not an idealog. Why do you think I support the bill? I only gave an outline of our medical system and what the bill contained from what I remembered.

    Its not fear, its that Fox uses psychology to brainwash their viewers, you just have to pay close attention and ask yourself why are they presenting it the way they do, all media for that matter. Its only fox news thats beating the socialist drum.

    One thing I can bank on is if they decide to killl it, it will be another decade before someone steps up to the plate and it will be way beyond repair at that point. Consider that pizza shop I used as an example, its more like than not that they'll close over high premiums in the next 5 years at the rate they're climbing. They're already stuggling now in this weak economy. Actually small businesses create 60-80% of the jobs and employ about 51% of the work force.

    Remember when GW wanted to fix social security that was in 2005, its 2010 and now they're cashing in those IOU's the first time in history which takes us back to Gores lock box rant in 2000. The congress borrows the money from social security to pay for things with the promise to pay it back.
    As Glenn Beck says, look back at history to see what the future will hold. It's more likely than not that years will pass before this issue comes up again. Just like the high gas prices a couple of years back. nothing done.

    The problem is the American people believe what the media wants them to believe instead of actually finding out for themselves.

    Lets take a quick look at those that think they're taxed to death.
    back in the 1950's some people making $200k had tax rates at 91% due to WWII. Kennedy cut it to 70%, Reagan cut it to 50% in 1982 and to 28% in 1987, Clinton raised it to 39.5% and Bush cut it back to 35%, which are set to expire this year.

    the big Reagan cut in 1987 grew the economy way to fast causing huge inflation and we've been fighting it ever since. Most people think they're taxed to death, which in somes cases they are, but mostly it is inflation that hurts. We see fees and food go up all the time. We hear players complain about deposit and withdrawal fees all the time.

    As far as Obama and his promises, well I'm an independent and didn't really care who won but I knew from watching his campaign that he was promising way to much and couldn't possibly deliver so its no surprise.

    This is nothing wait until the immigration issues comes up this summer, then you'll see some tea parties.
     
  24. Mar 21, 2010
  25. love2winalot

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    Hiya: I never get sick................The only time i ever had health care was when i was in the Army, over 24 years ago. Since i really do not care, as i am leaving the country in 3 weeks here are the facts.

    1. More people have health care, than do not. So, of course, more will be against offering health care to those who do not have it. "As long as it does not affect me", then give it to them is the majority of the thinking.

    2. Is Health care a RIGHT or a Privelage? It is kind of hard to have health care, and look your neighbor in the eye and say, "Sorry pal, but get a better job, or work for a better company, or sell your car and take a bus to work and buy your own health care". For me, this would be over $350 a month.

    . I managed apartments. Rent between $500-$750 a month, for over 20 years. Every applicant has to have their credit run. I can count on 1 hand the number of people who had a credit score of over 600. Well they must all be bums, or bad people, or just lazy..........

    No. They have NO health care. Here is what happens. Your daughter starts choking, or throwing up, and is pain. You call an ambulance. You go to hospital. It was something minor, and she is ok. You get a bill for the ambulance that is over $700. + a bill from the hopital that is over $300.
    You have no way to pay ME your rent, and also pay this medical bill. You have to choose?

    Thus, over 70% of all entries on a tenants credit report, "that i have seen for 20 yers", are medical releated. =Low credit score=unable to stay at a better apartment as they do not qualify=Slum Lord Owners always have tenants.:mad:

    imhop, If I can go Kill someone, and be poor, the Government MUST give me a lawyer to help me stay out of jail. But if i run into a unit that is on fire to make sure no one was inside, "i have done this 3 times" and i get smoke damage, and have no insurance, I AM ON MY OWN......:confused:

    As you can see, not having any health care affects a lot more than a persons health.
     

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