Leovegas - reduced RTP% on PlaynGo and Pragmatic Play

Kroffe

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Is the betsson group in the uk? (betsson,nordicbet,betsafe etc)

They have some oddities, like they run Fruit shop:MW at 95% instead of 96% for example but other than that they run everything at full rtp.
 

colinsunderland

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Pretty sure Casumo have PNG highest but others on lower.

But wouldn't play there, so kinda moot.
Yeah Casumo do but they make their extra profit by ripping customers off by withholding winnings while they ask for a bank statement from your great great great third removed cousin from 1694
 

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I'll be surprised if you still have anywhere offering 96%'s next year, possibly sooner: maybe one two but even they'll struggle to justify that (for want of a better expression) to their owners given any attraction/retaining of customers won't outweigh the 2% difference etc.

Make a prediction that Unibet are one of the last men standing

Probably just testing the waters before they eye up the 92%'s - would be quite interesting to see what analysis they've done, if any, to determine at what point any drop/switch/decrease in play leads to a financially worse off position. Unfortunately that figure's probably in the 80's :eek2:
bad news for you.
71-84% and people still play.

ofc is not that simple, lowering the rtp (and the variance) that much the casino loses the "clever" players who are able to manage themselves, but keeps the addicted ones, and it seems this is ok for the final balance of the casino.

the question is how long.
 

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With reduced RTP players may have to opt for higher variance slots especially when it comes to clearing wagering requirements. Casinos might wish to lower bonus wagering requirements to offset the reduced RTP especially in the short term.
 

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You can simply play Bonanza to get an idea of what that will feel like....
Now just imagine playing the progressive version on min stake. With its reduced RTP to compensate for jackpot provisions it will surely dish out some horrible sessions.

In any event, seeing the 117k ways in the Free Spins indicates its a modified version.

Nate
 

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Leovegas.... who closed my account for "bonus abuse".... I had had a 100% match £200 plus £200 on thier sister site Royal Pands and was half way through wagering, playing min stakes when balance dropped to £5, so i played five £1 spins on bonanza - hit 800x, and went back to min betting across at least 50 games to hit wagering. Account closed!!
Scum casino - scu
m operations team - and clearly not interested in giving players a fair crack of the whip.
Now they went even more profit at the cost of players - I hope you all avoid them like the plague
 

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The strange part is when mentioning lower RTP or not honouring SE requests or RG-Limits they always make you feel like it's your fault for depositing and losing and your responsibility. My opinion is that casino's and providers have a responsibility too to care about their clients. In this matter they should've have informed their clients, but they don't have to cause ''hey you accepted their T&C'' and made a deposit. Leovegas is not obliged to accept responsibility for your actions anyways you know when enrolling: '' the house always wins'' .

If this kind of attitude continues and players re-accepted eventhough they admitted problemgambling (mutiple groups are guilty of allowing this to happen) this will indurstry will eventually bleed to death. We're risky, spontaneous, but not stupid and would like to have some entertainment back for our made deposits.
 

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If casino is regulated by Malta, they cannot have lower RTP than 96%.

Anybody knows about minimum RTP of other regulatory bodies?
 

Kroffe

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I'm not massively up to date on MGA rules, but I'm pretty sure thats wrong?
Yeah, i think there is a lower limit, i think ive seen 91 or 92% be mentioned for some license, dont remember if it was mga tho.
I mean, there are alot of slots that does not have a 96%+ version, like all novomatics for example.
 

Kyocer777

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For example San Quentin - I think Curacao casinos don't need to put anything in their help files:

San Quentin xWays is a video slot with five reels, three rows and 243 ways as default. The various features included in the gameplay will increase the number of ways with no real set upper limit. Theoretically, a staggering 13,189,257,216 ways are possible. Wins are awarded for three to five matching symbols landing on adjacent reels from left to right only. You can join the inmates for a reel session on desktop, tablet or mobile from 0.20 to 32 credits per spin. The game has extreme volatility (10/10) with a default RTP of 96.03% and a hit rate of roughly 1:3 spins. Some operators will offer it in the DX version with 94.11%, always check the help files to find out which version you will be playing. Using the Bonus Buy feature will increase the default RTP to 96.26 – 96.95% based on which option is purchased.
 

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bad news for you.
71-84% and people still play.

ofc is not that simple, lowering the rtp (and the variance) that much the casino loses the "clever" players who are able to manage themselves, but keeps the addicted ones, and it seems this is ok for the final balance of the casino.

the question is how long.
I think that’s not the problem of “clever” or not.
The sh”t problem is the promoters showing their big win with these slots.
For example,almost all streamers show their impossible hits on their YouTube channels, they bet 5$,10$,even 100$ Stake at pragmatic play games, and win huge? Isn’t it kidding new players?
 
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