Leovegas - reduced RTP% on PlaynGo and Pragmatic Play

Krogilasi

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With all the silence about the change of their RTP, Leovegas has also fallen to use lower RTP version on Play n go and pragmatic play. Of course there is no mention about this change to players, and let the players lose more money.. Ka-Ching! Why would they inform players to weaken their player experience. Woah, who cares.. I just found this out today. If someone says that its not so remarkable change, well it indeed is, even in the short run you are expected to lose more your hard earned money.

Nice..

Well.. Not.
 

bamberfishcake

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The most shocking thing is that they have not informed any of their players.

Its one of the best examples of daylight robbery in modern times.

Flick a switch, make hundreds of thousands, if not millions and nobody needs to be told or will be any the wiser!

Its absolutely ludicrous.
 

colinsunderland

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This has been discussed on here on another thread, they didn't even announce it on their own site (CG) so they aren't going to do so on this forum that they clearly don't give a shit about any more.
 

bamberfishcake

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The more threads the merrier.

Lets document their blatant rip off of their unsuspecting customer base during a pandemic, which has seen growth, during a pandemic
 

Krogilasi

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This has been discussed on here on another thread, they didn't even announce it on their own site (CG) so they aren't going to do so on this forum that they clearly don't give a shit about any more.
Yeah ok, i still believe all of these low-rtp casinos actually deserve more visibility. At least if they are doing this silently to not inform their players because it is a big change.

There seems to be too many people who either dont give a damn about lower RTP version (if anyone is one of those, shame on you) of the game they play, or they just simply believe they got the max RTP version Slot in their hands that they are playing. All i can say to suggest all of you to stop funding these places as they are joking with their customers like this.
 

Kyocer777

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With all the silence about the change of their RTP, Leovegas has also fallen to use lower RTP version on Play n go and pragmatic play. Of course there is no mention about this change to players, and let the players lose more money.. Ka-Ching! Why would they inform players to weaken their player experience. Woah, who cares.. I just found this out today. If someone says that its not so remarkable change, well it indeed is, even in the short run you are expected to lose more your hard earned money.

Nice..

Well.. Not.
How did you find about Pragmatic Play RTPs? In help file?
 

bamberfishcake

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Start as many threads as you like, but i doubt it would reach 0.01% of the bigger Casinos player base.

Add in the fact that 90%+ of players know sweet FA about RTP anyway.

I agree and would dare to say maybe 99% of players.

Still worth it if just one person learns that LeoVegas PlaynGo is now a lower payout than what it was before. Even though it looks like the same slot.

Wouldnt it be nice if everyone banded together and boycott certain providers or casinos on certain nights. Power is always with the people.
 

Gaz237

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I agree and would dare to say maybe 99% of players.

Still worth it if just one person learns that LeoVegas PlaynGo is now a lower payout than what it was before. Even though it looks like the same slot.

Wouldnt it be nice if everyone banded together and boycott certain providers or casinos on certain nights. Power is always with the people.

They are only reacting to lost revenue by the slower spins and no feature buys.

Everyone else will follow suit eventually and it will be rare to find one on max %.

If the UKGC impose a bet limit, i would expect a further drop, to the 92% mark, providers will have to start bringing games out with the lower RTP,s or the casinos won't host them.
 

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They are only reacting to lost revenue by the slower spins and no feature buys.

Everyone else will follow suit eventually and it will be rare to find one on max %.

If the UKGC impose a bet limit, i would expect a further drop, to the 92% mark, providers will have to start bringing games out with the lower RTP,s or the casinos won't host them.

Casinos have gotten greedy or they are trying to coup back their losses from their responsible gambling fines so they all can get their yearly bonus.

They managed fine before which before bonus buys, even when people was just playing videopoker at 99% RTP.

Greed is all
 

colinsunderland

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They are only reacting to lost revenue by the slower spins and no feature buys.

Everyone else will follow suit eventually and it will be rare to find one on max %.

If the UKGC impose a bet limit, i would expect a further drop, to the 92% mark, providers will have to start bringing games out with the lower RTP,s or the casinos won't host them.
So they haven't cut them outside the UK?
 

bamberfishcake

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They are only reacting to lost revenue by the slower spins and no feature buys.

I thought the slower spins and feature buy bans came in after a lot of lowering, though my memory plays cruel tricks sometimes.

If the industry was more, struggling to find the right word, but maybe transparent. I wouldnt have so much of an issue.

Fact is, I still go into new games and have to hunt to find the RTP. Some providers are worse than others but putting it in help files or under tabs with strange symbols is no help. It should be displayed in the loading page or with the paytable.

Credit where its due and Pragmatic place it where it would naturally be found i think. Anywhere else is just cynical and sneaky and i dont like that in business or as a customer.

It also does not sit right with me and never will how two slots with the same name, same reels, same provider etc etc can have a different payback %/ return/ or RTP.

Just for those reasons and particularly the last. Leo Vegas and similar casinos by actively reducing what their slots pay back, without telling customers, are literally conning them out of money and i dont think its born out of necessity. They are not skint.

Thinking on also that maybe Nikantw had a point when he said it would create problem gamblers. In some cases I believe it will cause problems. Punters are probably scratching their heads right now or maybe in a months time wondering why their slot time has gone down and they've not had as much fun.
 

Gaz237

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I thought the slower spins and feature buy bans came in after a lot of lowering, though my memory plays cruel tricks sometimes.

If the industry was more, struggling to find the right word, but maybe transparent. I wouldnt have so much of an issue.

Fact is, I still go into new games and have to hunt to find the RTP. Some providers are worse than others but putting it in help files or under tabs with strange symbols is no help. It should be displayed in the loading page or with the paytable.

Credit where its due and Pragmatic place it where it would naturally be found i think. Anywhere else is just cynical and sneaky and i dont like that in business or as a customer.

It also does not sit right with me and never will how two slots with the same name, same reels, same provider etc etc can have a different payback %/ return/ or RTP.

Just for those reasons and particularly the last. Leo Vegas and similar casinos by actively reducing what their slots pay back, without telling customers, are literally conning them out of money and i dont think its born out of necessity. They are not skint.

Thinking on also that maybe Nikantw had a point when he said it would create problem gamblers. In some cases I believe it will cause problems. Punters are probably scratching their heads right now or maybe in a months time wondering why their slot time has gone down and they've not had as much fun.
They have not been lowered out of necessity. The bosses sit round a table once a month and come up with ideas to increase profit.

They only care about the bottom line.

And as a business it would make no sense to explain to all your customers, that they are going to lose their money quicker.
 

gonzo fonso

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well they must think we are just mugs for playing at these casinos,i reckon the law of averages are on 10 seperate deposits over 10 days you will probably win twice and loose the other 8 times
 

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I'll be surprised if you still have anywhere offering 96%'s next year, possibly sooner: maybe one two but even they'll struggle to justify that (for want of a better expression) to their owners given any attraction/retaining of customers won't outweigh the 2% difference etc.

Make a prediction that Unibet are one of the last men standing

Probably just testing the waters before they eye up the 92%'s - would be quite interesting to see what analysis they've done, if any, to determine at what point any drop/switch/decrease in play leads to a financially worse off position. Unfortunately that figure's probably in the 80's :eek2:
 
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