Late Reg good or bad?

StefW

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Hello,

I have been playing online poker sinds 2002.

As most experienced players i started at pokerstars, did very well there managed +$127.000 over a period of 2 years.

Back then it was great playing, like the main tournament $215 buy had 500-700 players ( mostly good ) but then came the big poker boost and in no time i had to beat like 5.000 players in that same tourney!

My streak ended and i could only manage a few nice results in live events so i kinda stepped away from online poker in 2005 and stopped all playing in 2007.

Last year i tried a comeback at pokerstarts but dear me, you have more chance winning the Euro Millions twice then makin a final table. So no big comeback for me!

2 Hours after the tourney started new players was still popping up left , right and center!? Breaks at the weirdest times and no one could tell me when what or why?

so yes i quickly emptied my account and deleted the whole thing! after a few hit and misses i now found a small room with good Gtd tourneys and luckely only 1 hour late reg if offered. But the players are weak and the numbers are good :)

Personaly i would prefer no or maybe a max of 15 mins late reg.

Are there more players that started out back in the good ol days and are now finding it hard to even make a final talble?

I was a regular in the top of the pokerstars tournament leaderboards from 2002 upto 2004 but when i now look i cant see any of the 'Hot Shots' from my time!

Grts

stefW ( Nick at the old pokerstars: the_sherriff )
 

rockycatt

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i don't like long period late registration the late registrants avoid the early donkfest, however the blinds go up in time past
so maybe they think its a wash , i like to see every one get in on time i think late players always come late just like sitters always sit
my .02 cents
 

weesie

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Yep, I hate it too!

I was a regular at Intertops poker about a yr ago. Then they were bought out or joined forces with another site/brand and now it sucks.

Almost every tourney has the 60 minute late reg. I hate it in a bad way.

Now, I miss playing poker, but have no where to play.
 

pokeraddict

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Yep, I hate it too!

I was a regular at Intertops poker about a yr ago. Then they were bought out or joined forces with another site/brand and now it sucks.

Almost every tourney has the 60 minute late reg. I hate it in a bad way.

Now, I miss playing poker, but have no where to play.

Lock Poker took over their network and a few things changed, including that. That is partly due to every MTT having a guarantee. This helps them cover the prize pools.
 

StefW

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Yes i understand that they want to be sure to cover the Gtd prizepool, but it worked for 10+ years to cover them without!

too bad its 100% at stars, all good tourneys have 1 upto 2 1/2 hours late reg now its one big crapshoot from start till end :(

grts
stefW
 

johnjohn

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depends on a few things really , as in how many are left and how many paying places are left , is it a league where you only need a few more points to qualify for a ticket / prize , what size will the blinds be when you join , is it a rebuy

example reg late and rebuy with addon ready?

but at the same time i do hate it when your close to cashing then a lot more people join

so like i say depends on the game but do agree that there should be a max of 15mins late reg
 

lamogios

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i dont like late registration too as a member said a 15 minutes late registration could be very nice..because the late entrants most of the time destroy the game because the time is running and they must put all in by whatever...Also i dont like unlimited rebuys especially for the small buy ins because many people playing all in like a lottery because they can rebuy again
 

TILES

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late reg isnt for players benefit,,do you think these sites are there to make you money? grow up people and dump online poker if you have any sense whatsoever,,dont believe your ego;s nobody wins longtern online anymore!! FACT!!
 

johnsteed

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I have mixed feelings about late registration, but in the end, I like the idea of the guaranteed money.


There really isn't any dead money anymore, and a large part of that is that so much of the recycled money that was floating around, is currently frozen. The American market, which was HUGE, is gone. A number of people no longer put their trust in poker rooms, whether it's because of frozen funds, the AP scandal, or poker collusion. And as a result of that, the money is tighter, the games are tougher, and you have to be REALLY good to come out ahead.


There are players who make a living off of it though. It's not the top 10% of the entire player pool, rather a tiny percentage of all of the players who are making enough to get ahead. There really isn't such a thing as some 'natural' who just starts playing the game, and dominates from the moment they make their first $50 deposit. Well, there might be the odd person who's able to learn just by playing, but the players that you see on TV, specifically the online prodigies, are either incredibly smart (solid academic backgrounds), or they work extremely hard on their game; and generally a combination of the two. We see the end result, but we don't often hear/read about how difficult it was for them to reach that elite status. It throws people off, when they think about instant success stories like 'Isildur'.


It's not just playing, it's constantly studying to improve your game. And even when you're making adequate money, you can't just be satisfied and rest, you have to always look for edges. A number of those high profile online players, had and still have poker coaches, still do their homework, still watch training videos, still take notes on players, still study their hand histories. If you're putting in 1 hour a week of studying, but you're playing on average +40 hours per week, you're probably not doing enough work away from the tables even though you feel that you're better than the field that you're up against.


If I could recommend one poker book, it would be 'The Mental Game of Poker' by Jared Tendler. He covers quite a bit of the content of the book on YouTube. It doesn't talk about how to play certain hands, what lines to take, ICM, nothing too heavy, rather how to fix your mental leaks. Most players have issues/leaks such as entitlement, revenge, focus, confidence, motivation, risk aversion, injustice, laziness, running bad (variance), and of course, tilt, tilt, tilt, and more on tilt! Players might not even realize they have those issues, and just assume it's 'other' players who have those weaknesses. If one is able to rectify, acknowledge, come to terms with some of those problems, they're likely to be that much stronger of a player.


There are still a number of weekend warriors playing poker for fun, but the reality is that there are tons of regulars who play everyday, and a solid portion of those regulars are grinders. When you're playing in a $3.50 S&G, you might think most of the players are new/weak/etc, but quite of number of them, even at those lower stakes, are very knowledgeable. Players who used to play in the bigger cash games, might be regulars now in the .25/50 games, or even the .05/.10 games! What was once considered very good from '03-07, is probably the average player now. You have to stay ahead of the curve, or else you become a dinosaur. Literally every player thinks they're awesome, but you can always learn and know more than you currently do.
 
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BMWSTACK

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Late reg never bothered me, and I actually liked it. I like large fields and big pots, the more the merrier!

Now I only played Pstars and as everyone knows the traffic there is busy. Realistically late reg being open wouldnt hurt my play and a lot of times it would help. Players registering real late always seemed to play real loose, which benefited me a number of times. I also did like the ability for me to register late. I would multi table quite a bit and sometimes I did not want to open that 7th tourney yet, so sometimes id be able to get out of a few tourneys and go into that one I wanted to play late.
 

Nobunaga

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The late registration can be a pain.It can benefit a savvy player when knowing the point when to join in late and when not to bother, due to blind increases and antes.

The Pokerstars software has changed a lot over the years, and I think it's time that Casinomeister people review it, to make sure that they're no hanky panky going on, and that the software isn't becoming rogue in the process.

The European players are getting better at Hold em, but too many times I've had AK head's up against a hand like A2 and other weak aces, not even suited and they hit their whole card too often, even after aggressive raises.

I'm probably going to "Boom" my hands when that happens and see what other Casinomeister players think about how the hands play out.

I know part of it can be chalked up to bad play, but not all of it.

It's like what makes a rogue casino rogue and another casino's games are not rogue.

Pokerstars customer service is still good and putting my money into my account is good too.

I question the tweaking of the software since 2002 and how it could be rogue now.

I think a group of us "Pitch a Bitch" against Pokerstars to review their software, would be a good idea.I've had players from other countries like Australia, Russia, Canada, EU tell me the same thing.It can't be all blamed on bad play and odds.Something is up in Pokerstars land.

I would look at Party Poker and see if they're any better.

Even Mike Caro has talked to players about bad probability that happens in card rooms or that would qualify as cheating/match fixing.

Nobunaga
 

Roller_Jamie

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I always thought late reg was a great idea - the amount of times I was running late and logged in for an 8pm tournament and missed it by a minute or so used to drive me mad!

I get what you are saying around ever increasing field numbers though, and this is one of the main reasons I rarely play on Pokerstars. The tournaments just take too damned long! Plus you're right the late reg gives you a false idea of the field size as it can double during the period allowed.

If they are regularly scheduled tournaments then it would be a nice feature to add an "average field size" number to the tournament lobby. That way you'd have a rough idea how many people you were up against and how long the event was likely to last regardless of when you signed up.
 

jaimelosano8768

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I personally always use late registration. Just for this 30min-1hr lot of big stacks can be created but still blinds are not so huge and the lame donks and fish are already kicked, so yea all in for late reg. For tourneys with re-buy always.
 

lausitzer28

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online poker is all scam software based, the cards are fixed. the operators want you to join more and more tourney (bust, new register, bust new register, bust new register...)so that you have to pay more rake.

before i stopped to play online poker i had my best tourney results in -no late registry- modus.

however i played in several rooms (pokerstars,pokerstars.fr, winamax, ftp, microgaming, ipoker, cake..) and if u ask me they are all on my personal rogue list so i decided to stop online.
 

BMWSTACK

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online poker is all scam software based, the cards are fixed. the operators want you to join more and more tourney (bust, new register, bust new register, bust new register...)so that you have to pay more rake.

before i stopped to play online poker i had my best tourney results in -no late registry- modus.

however i played in several rooms (pokerstars,pokerstars.fr, winamax, ftp, microgaming, ipoker, cake..) and if u ask me they are all on my personal rogue list so i decided to stop online.

Wow, you need to go post this on a conspiracy site. What are these comments based upon? Your bad beats?
 

JackTenOff

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I often late reg for smaller buyins and sattelites, however at the beginning of tournaments you get a lot of players who just want a quick double up which you can often capitalize on. At the recent mini ftops event 1 I quadrupled my starting stack within 30 mins against players who were getting it in with very marginal hands hoping to build a stack.
 

JackTenOff

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online poker is all scam software based, the cards are fixed. the operators want you to join more and more tourney (bust, new register, bust new register, bust new register...)so that you have to pay more rake.

before i stopped to play online poker i had my best tourney results in -no late registry- modus.

however i played in several rooms (pokerstars,pokerstars.fr, winamax, ftp, microgaming, ipoker, cake..) and if u ask me they are all on my personal rogue list so i decided to stop online.

All backed up by no proof apart from the fact you are obviously a loosing player, I have consistent profit in poker and am not associated with pokerstars in anyway.
 

victorrodriguez

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I hate late reg in online tournaments. I think it is OK for live tournaments though.

Can't agree more on that, and late registrations on tourneys with low entry is pure butchery first 2-3 hours, donks all over going in with nothing and winning on the river...I hate it this is why I stopped tourneys and play cash tables only:D
 

sigothx1

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Late reg / rebuys i personally only played with <0.5% of my roll per torny, it is quite simply a donk fest for hours if you sign up prior to entry, i made most of my winnings in freezeouts, with no late regs, which seem to be rare on stars these days.
 

Roller_Jamie

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Late reg / rebuys i personally only played with <0.5% of my roll per torny, it is quite simply a donk fest for hours if you sign up prior to entry

late registrations on tourneys with low entry is pure butchery first 2-3 hours, donks all over going in with nothing and winning on the river

I personally always use late registration. Just for this 30min-1hr lot of big stacks can be created but still blinds are not so huge and the lame donks and fish are already kicked

Considering the amount of people who bemoan the fact that online poker has got so much tougher and there is much less easy money around, it is surprising to see people grumbling about tournaments being full of "donks" and trying to find ways of avoiding them!
 

rockycatt

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im thinking about professional stakers that give orders to go all in with certain hands to there mules its a strategy that they seam worth it thy may have 5 or more players staked in the same turny so what ever game plan they are using for the day
could be a pain in the ass if you shove with AA and get busted with villain 88 catching a set 888 so its a discussion 4 Shure

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Tagertclo

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Why would it be better to register late assuming u have got an edge upon the other players if u think about it logically. that's pretty much superstition... it obviously might still show a profit if u register late if u've got an edge...
 

johnsteed

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I periodically work with a capped BI roll on the day; especially if I'm building my bankroll.


There's a specific $2 rebuy / x3 Turbo (that runs about x5 a day) for Omaha Hi/Lo on Stars, where pretty much every hand you'll get +4 players shoving in preflop. I don't mind if I have to rebuy a few times, but with tournaments that are structured like that, you're generally going to have to pay quite a bit by the time registration closes. AA23 hands are awesome, but when there's the 3rd, 4th, and 5th guy jumping in, it's just waiting to be cracked.


The add-on is the key. In the case of said tournament(s), there are 30,000 in chips added-on for only $2.00; great value. Instead of navigating through a kamikaze-field of players, I'd rather just join the last few minutes, limit my BI's/losses, and hopefully double-up once the registration closes. At which point, you won't be getting +4 callers each hand, and there's more skill/fewer coin flips.


If we're talking about regular speed, NLHE or any game for that matter, I'd probably want to join when the tournament first starts.


I think the Sunday Millions has a 2-hour registration period after the tournament starts, which I don't love, but it IS the biggest tournament of the week, and there are no rebuys or add-ons. So, for majors, or series/events, I think it's fine.


What's ridiculous, is that there is a $109 / $4K GTD on Full Tilt, that routinely extends it's registration, +3 hours, because they're stuck on 38 players, and they're desperately trying to get it to +40 players, so no overlays.
 
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