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i definitely would have had a stroke before it finished counting well done :thumbsup:
 

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Perhaps i am naive to it then, but it hasn't even entered my head to be attempting to win more. If anything its done the opposite, its made me not want to play as the enjoyment factor cannot be topped (well it could but the odds of topping it would be millions to one i would imagine!).

surely someone didn't win 400k and spend it all overnight ?!

it simply shows that you never won big. When it happens you simply lose your mind, you get so hyped, magical thinking all over everything is beautiful. Then you continue playing but since you won huge (cauz online slots are amazingly "random" lol) you will rip like madness and then think "oh my i lost such a chunk of my win i need to recover it!" and then the cycle or rip is complete. To give an example of the "random" rip, when i won 17kx on jars, the next 2 months i ripped 200 deposits in a row that represented the entire win + more before i hit again. I have a friend who won 5k on doa and lost the next 78 deposits over weeks. When you win huge you get nuked, you either accept the fact it will go back in or quit. But i simply don't know anyone ever that had the idea of quitting after a huge win hehe. On twitch casino (i stream there) everyone rips everything back, the "degens" rip it in hours/days and the supposedly "smart" players just rip it back over weeks/months which means they have 0 fun and get slapped in the face for weeks/months which is not what i'd call "fun".

If people had an idea of the odds of this stuff happening randomly, they wouldn't laugh at me when i say it's not random. The rips after big wins are not random same way the big win itself wasn't. The casinos (live or online) know that with a negative RTP having action and making players addicted would be pretty difficult with true randomness so they run an algorythm that make players run nerfed slots for a certain period of time and then use the money "stolen" to ship a huge win or a hot streak. There are good books and conference on the subject if you are curious. Casinos win in all cases because if the player quit before the hit, they get to keep the money "stolen" while if the player happen to return later then the system just ship the rtp back to the player when he returns to hook him back in the game. Then entire online casinos/system is built to manipulate the players and turned them into crazy degens. When i read here gov warning "they are programmed to rip you" i tought they referred to the negative return meaning long term losses guaranteed, but online over the years i realized it was REALLY programmed to rip you. The hot/cold streaks, the rips after wins, the wins after rips... the amount of the win always in correlation with the previous losses... all this is just plain impossible randomly even less when it happens to everyone.

Overall the more you bet the more you swing big amounts but long term you don't win, you don't win more you jsut can't because the computer you are playing is built and programmed to follow the RTP and it's not just RTP reached over billions of spins... it's literally straight on it because it's a computer playing you and not randomness. Casinos wouldn't take such chances. So all we can do is decide how much we want to spend for the entertainment/adrenalin rush and stick to it. Betting more only mean losing more and nothing else. When a new player pop online, he gets a special "happy days" RTP meant to make the player love it and get addicted fast, then he rips all back straight and the long term algorythm/script kicks in. At that point there is no such things as "winning" online, only swings, upswings are called "wins" but i wouldn't call getting 4k after losing 7k a "win". Live tables results also are considered like slots results, same with sports betting, which means that if you are losing alot on slots and go crazy on live roulette (like i did) to make up for it and win, you'll just go back to sltos with even worst rtp till it has literally no RTP at all.. i ran 10-20% RTP slots over tens of thousands of spins when i was up thousands from roulette it was sickening. Always had to lose all back plus more before i could hit stuff again. So if you bet on sports, for example, and win lots on your bets and also play slots, the slots will destroy you to get back the sports wins, just like if you lose alot on your bets then the slots will give you glory days returning you the rtp you were meant to have.

I know people love to deny reality and think it's random, but it's only the addiction preventing the brain to accept the reality and it's only a small part of the population with the knowledge and the brain to understand exactly the extent of the manipulation from the system. It's really just there for fun and nothing else. Casinos don't want people to know for obvious reasons, who would go take a loan and do massive bets if he knew that the system will not allow him to win back everything or more as it would put their RTP way too high and system wouldn't allow it. I don't ask people to believe me blindly, i just post these so that people curious about it can just read the infos and then review their history/play in/out of money etc. Understand why when they hit after they rip like no tomorrow etc. Why when they raise to bigger bet than usual they rip life just like when they lower bet lower than normal often huge stuff pop. It's because the RTP is not considered by "x" of spins, it's only about money. I call any providers or casinos to sue me if they think im wrong, it will be a great occasion to show how it works lol. But well what it means is that if you lose 100x on 10p bet (10$) straight then raise 1$ and hit first spin 11x for 11$ that's 11$-1$ for bet = 10$ which negating the 100x (10$) lost on 10p. That means you can do 101 spins, lose 100 and have 11x on one and for the casinos your RTP was 100%. Once you know the algorythm work in money and not what we are told, you understand why when you raise bet the RTP lowers, because you don't have enough room on your script/algorythm to be paid cauz your RTP would be way too high, so the slots rip you till you have lost enough to catch the point where the new bet size start running normal. Same way if you lower bet then it's much easier for the algorythm to ship you wins as they cost alot less.
 

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Also the bonus wagers are not random, what i mean is you don't play the raw slots, it's a pre-determined script like buying a scratch ticket. Can be summed up to buying a gambling session where the outcome is know before you start but you discover the result through slots. I love it because what it means is if you hit a big script you will have a solid session to the end allowing you hours of play which raw doesnt allow, raw you hit a few or one big hit then all rips, you can't do much more than hit and run and it's not fun. Knowing that, a person would rethink when they receive a 200% reload offer as usually people would try to put in as much as they can, but if you know it's like a scratch ticket, that most rips, then one wouldn't tie up their entire bankroll to one single script. Once more i dare anyone to try depositing 10-20$ + bonus and play max bet and try to get 200x+ wins just for fun. I'd bet my arse that no one ever hit 1000x on that. Simply because, from what i deducted over the years, the script starts with a "budget" which is the amount of wins you will get total on your run. When you open a slot the provider download the script indications and then decide how to display it. I just don't believe one bit anymore that provider decide, it's impossible. Neither the casinos nor the provider decides, it's the global system all casinos are logged on that run the whole thing. A system built over decades and millions over millions so it's well-tought and programmed.

So when you complain to casino on your ripstreak, they will tell you the results are fine.. simply because they are... the system controls everyting on a casino, everything. There's reason why things like live roulettes have magnet, all of them. If casinos want to argue, i'd say... give me one, single, unique reason in the interst of the player of the provider/casinos using magnet on roulette? The only reason is because the casino system must control everyting and make sure RTP is followed which means the more you bet the harder it is to hit and vice-versa. Small/micro bets win alot so at some point they have to increase bet.. and increase till they are the big bets being cheated and oops rip back to start. The magic of online gambling. My country forced evolution gaming to open studios here as they wouldn't allow their scam latvia magnet fest to provide us with any service, since then evo gaming is blocked all over and it's GREAT.

So about wagers, if you are wagering on 40p bet and steady if you raise suddenly to 5$ spin, you will rip almost everytime except few exceptions i will explain. But overall the script having a "budget" means that if you run 40p bet the provider/algorythm will build you a run that leads to the final wanted result, if you change bet they change the script to fit new bets and since the bet is much bigger and the budget still the same, the slots will have to remove a chunk of the balance to clear room for the bigger swings. When i raise bet i take the rips and hope the script "synchronize" meaning it starts running normal. You can see it like you have 100$ balance you raise and then it rips down to say 60$ straight and at that point oops a win, oops another and then it starts going back up and running normal. If it goes straight 0 on bigger bet, you didn't make any mistake you were just meant to rip anyway and the script didnt have the "budget" to let you continue on such bet. Same way if you rip and decide near the end to lower bet all it will do is, often, swing you back up a bit because at that low bet you still have some room in the budget but it's only for a few, never long, then you hit the doomswitch too and rip.

I strongly recommend not playing live roulette on wager as i did more than enough to realize that the winnings from live roulette is taken in by the script as winnings from slots which means if your script has 500$ "budget" and you go roulette win 500$.. when you go back to slots all you'll run is eternal dead spins. Same way if you rip a big chunk of balance on wager, most of the time the slot will kick you back in right away because the script see suddenly money disappeared and it messes up the script so it pushes back up. If you lose a chunk on roulette and slots still rip, well you were just meant to rip. The kick back only happens once, if you use it to return roulette and rip, you are gg. Also the only times you will hit right away when raising bet is when the slot you are playing is planning to give you a big/huge win soon, you raise bet and then it can't give you that win on that bet so instead it will change plans and give you the same money but in a different way (smaller "x" win) because of the bigger bet. So let's say you are on book of dead 20p bet and about to hit 1000x but raise 1$ bet, you'll hit a pharaoh line 200x, or anything equal to 200x. That's how on wager people would get, sometimes, a stupid huge win on 1-6 cents bet etc. They run 2-5$ bet and then end up with 6 cent but the script wasnt done but couldnt provide the last "budget" with the previous bet sizes so it "improvises" the way it can so if you win 2000x on 1p bet for 20$.. .you were meant to win 20$.. you wouldnt have hit that with any other bigger bet. If you rip a big balance on wager, it's not you, neither your picks, the script only shipped you the "budget" early on and then ran out so gave you just dead spins which happens when you bet too high for the deposit/wager you are running.

So anyway. hope you had a good lecture if you went through all this :D.
 

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When you see a bonus % , bigger is not better same way more wager 40x 50x 100x 150x is not worst either. It's only volatility factors. For example, on a 50% 40x, the best you can hope for is to win 10x your deposit, on 100% 40x will be 20x your deposit and on 200% 40x it will be 40x your deposit. It's all about the wager size, the more wager (% multiplied by the 0-150x). So if you take anonymous casino 150% 150x welcome offer, 100% of the people reply to me that's it crazy impossible, it's wrong. I did 500+ of them just for sake of tests and so far my cash outs have been on target, moneywise i run the same results on 150x or 40x. The difference is the volatility, on 150% 150x my cash outs have ranged between 6x and 60x my deposit. Never win my deposit or 2-3x it's always big and the 60x is what i had best so far, i can't tell what is the max hehe. The thing tho with such a huge wager is that the casinos will not pay more for the provider fees and such so to make up for it they take the RTP of 90% of the scripts and ship them all on the best 10% and the 3-5% of winners that will wager a ton and play for hours. That means you can (i did) run into 70 deposits in a row that go straight 0, it make anyone go crayz hehe but when you hit the winning scripts, you are in for the ride of your life. It's all about volatility.

I had multiple runs with promotions 3-5x wager.. cashback, free spins... they are the most boring garbage ever to play because nothing happens. When there is a big wager, the slots can pay you the whole script winnings in a short period of time early creating alot of actions and big wins which is fun to then rip you to 0 ... that is not fun hehe. If the wager is small the slots can't give you much more than what you are meant to win so unless you hit a winning script the rest will be boring nothingess run. I have issues listening to people talking about their offers and making decisions based on lies and misconceptions. They don't know that the 30x promo is not any better than the 50x. Aside from the volatility factor, what it means if wager is smaller= less wins, less bonuses, less playtime. So i love big wager offers, i simply deposit low knowing it's most likely straight rip, then when i hit a winner it's glory days in a way no 30-40x wager could ever do.

Finally, bet size don't matter on wager. It will change the way you run and size of hits but the final result will be the same. The difference will be that low bets will grind up often finishing on a hot streak to reach the final result while big bets will get much bigger balances early on that will then finish in a solid ripfest, you know when you have that big balance near end of wager and it removes most of it before wager is over? That's why. I even ran many 150% 150x on 9 cent bet on 2250$ wager... 13 hours of quickspinning and 4 slots playing at once. Then i finally hit one that won, i won 19 times my deposit which is spot on the avg result of 1$ bet. The difference with big bet is that it will swing up like crazy then doomswitch then swing back up on and on while the small bets will be much smoother. I prefer to have a run with a balance that grow up to 300$ at the end vs 1000$ balance that crash to 300$ at the end and ruin my day even if i won.

Since it's scripts, that allows the casinos to set their promotions value, free spins, loyalty stuff. Ever wondered why 95%+ of the freebies rip at 4% wager? Random right? No. They just set 95%+ of them to straight 0 to save on fees as they are freebies. If a casino offer a welcome promo with say 100% and 200FS over 10 days. They don't "give" stuff, they just set the 100% RTP to be lower and use that RTP for the free spins. If a player decides to not do his spins, he loses RTP and casino wins. Same way if you use your comps at your peak... they will always rip, the algorythm/system just have no money to pay you anything, you should keep them for when you just ripped hehe. I also know from a vip manager that mistakenly raged at me and revealed an information... casinos can give a winning script/bonus on purpose. They give to VIP's that are on a downswing when they slow down on deposits, to stimulate them to continue playing. They can also give streamers winning scripts to make viewers see wins all over and think it's magical. When a streamer have his wagering increased by the casino, it's not to make him win less on each, it's to make the wager longer so they run less scripts = win less total as more wager don't mean less return, just more volatility.

So anyway, casinos are not random, it's a complete system that controls everything from live tables to slots. Ever lost connection while playing black jack? They do on purpose. Ever put a big bet on roulette to win huge.. land your number.. and your bet is simply returned to your balance? Glitch? Nope, it's on purpose. They lie about litearlly everyting. It's still entertaining and all, but the way information is given to players they have no chances to make smart decisions. I'm pretty sure majority of players would change their gambling habit if what i say here was on the news tomorrow. I played thousands over thousands of bonuses and analyze a good chunk of them. I recognize most scripts and their variant when i play/stream. Makes viewers often ask me how i am able to call ahead the outcomes so often with such accuracy. I don't have a crystal ball, i just recognize the script, what it does and i know where i'm at. The losing scripts i know almost perfectly simply because we get a ton of them hehe, the winning ones are harder to spot, usually it's same as a losing script but with 1% chance that it takes a complete different direction. So when i recognize a losing script, i know my odds.. 1% hehe and it ruins it all really. The magic is gone, now it's just boredom/addiction that keeps me going. One day someone will expose them, i hope. I'd like to play true random slots even if it means no more big streaks etc. I don't care if i lose all the time if i know it's real bad luck and not scripted bad luck. If i know it was legit, i take it. Just like with poker, online is also not random, it's scripted for action and to make people eliminate each other faster so they can register more tournaments. If i get constantly 1 outter river online i go mad because i know it's not random, it ruined it to the point i dont play anymore. But if i play live, with real cards, dealer, or we deal ourselves.. then give me the most craziest bad beats ever and i'll take it, i'll be amazed at the odds, such rarity to be beat like that i'll almost love it. hehe
 

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TLDR: Slots are rigged, if you are smart like me you understand that.
If you think otherwise, its your addiction talking.


Anything to back up any of the points made - Nah.

Typical reply. You either work for the industry and spread the bs or you don't have the knowledge/capacity/will to see it for yourself. All i said give enough indications to test/see for yourself, but you won't because you didn't reply to help or contribute, you are here to hit the one talking about the reality you don't want to see or that you are paid to hide. That's why im rarely on CM anymore, just a load of bullies and liars pushing and bullying anyone talking about this. Then readers see... they see the loads of bs after and think "oh he nuts then" and move on. Or it's just that you are in denial state, the religious/cultist way. Your brain deny reality because you invested too much money/time to accept the truth, it would be too hard so you just deny it willingly or without even knowing. Slots are rigged, totally. Are we being stolen long term? No. We can't win too much, can't lose too much. It's a game but not gambling really. Most players will play knowing the RTP is lower than 100% with the hope to be one of the lucky few to beat the odds.. that's why we play and spend so much. But what happens when you realize that you can't beat the odds? Isn't it amazing to see big streamers run the races with their happy days script and win the big prizes cheating all the legit player out of it?

The simple fact that you won't test, review or try anything is enough to know you are not worth more time. Stay in your delusion world or keep working for your amazing good bosses. I ran tests for 2 years now, everyday, thousands of wagers, i played raw 12-16h a day , live tables, tracked my results, everything. I have the mathematical and statistical ability to know what im looking for and i spent the time more than enough to figure that out. I streamed for 3 years, the last 2 years i been calling the shots, telling people what will happen over and over. It still amazes me to see people listen to me, know eveyrthing i said and still wonder why x or y happened while they know... their brain somehow refuses to process the information. Education system do not teach us to think outside the box, to be aware of the world around us... we are trained to be gullible sheeps... that's where it leads.
 

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Anyway can't never win with people like you here because the sytem is huge and complex and it would takes hundreds of pages to go in details. If i make it short i am blamed for not providing enough informations and if i give enough informations im blamed for making it way too long. Again just because you don't care if im right or wrong, you just don't want me to go through that path. You silence people so that others can go and get rekt. You know the definition of a criminal? :)
 

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TLDR: Pooh works for the industry and is paid to hide the -unclear-
His 9p spins has made him blind to the truth, wich is out there, it totally is.
I could post the evidence, but its to complex for you dummies to understand, and like super alot of text.
I wont even upload it to a site and recommend people to read it.
I think a criminal is somone pretending to be a bear on the internet.
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Liked the first part better.
Even tho it was a bit exciting finding out i may work for the industry.
 

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Id like to add that its pretty rude assuming everyone who believes something other than what you say lack knowledge/brains to understand it.
You are not the first one making a post like this, and if we wait a couple hours im sure someone else who is supersmart will come bless us with his knowledge.

I dont know if its an ego thing or something, but everyone who posts claims like the ones you posted always make sure to let everyone know that they are smarter than everyone else.
One would think such a smart person would do the only logical thing.
Post the mountains of evidence and let people decide for themselves what they think.

But when met with resistance, its "oooh, you are part of the system", its not even worth to try.
Everyone just bullies me because i am smarter than them.


TLDR: Start posting evidence of the claims you make, or stop trying to portray your fantasies as facts.

SuperTldr: Evidence or gtfo.

Hope everybody who read this far enjoyed my lecture.
If you dum-dums could even understand it.
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