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LadyDream.com - how slots work

Discussion in 'Online Casinos Discussions' started by bAdSmoker, Dec 26, 2005.

    Dec 26, 2005
  1. bAdSmoker

    bAdSmoker Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Secret.... Shhhh...
    Location:
    USA
    Well, I stumbled across this place earlier today and played some of there games, but what i would really like to know is if anyone has heard of this casino or know if it's legit. If it is legit then im saying goodbye to Microgaming casinos.
     
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  2. Dec 26, 2005
  3. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Not one i'd heard of. Its administered by Xhttp://www.goldbetting.com/ based out of St Kitts & Nevis.

    There's a lack of "About" info on the site, the Whois info is clear however. The website seems professional but with so little info on the site about the operation, no info immediately visible on auditing or regulation, its difficult to evaluate objectively. The name itself is a tad unusual for a casino and it doesn't have Google PR.

    There have been several threads relating to it and Gold Betting here in the past. Do a SEARCH for "ladydream" on Meister.

    Cheers

    Simmo!
     
  4. Dec 26, 2005
  5. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Run - very far and very fast!

    This outfit and its sisters has been the subject of many heated posts here and at the other site.

    Last time I looked the software was Wager 21.

    Here are some other *stellar* operations from this group!!

    Lady Dream

    Goldbetting

    Lucky Dog Sports

    Players Vegas

    Largo (dead Jan 2005)
     
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  6. Dec 26, 2005
  7. paul02085

    paul02085 Senior Member

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    Fishing :)
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    USA
    I think meister has this outfit on probation now, but they have a shady background. Also, DO NOT BE FOOLED by the payouts on their play money games. They are NOTHING like the real money games.

    I remember their slots used to be exact replicas of IGT slots but I see they are now changed so IGT must have gotten on their a..
    (even now some of the graphics look like IGT slots)

    In a nutshell, i would proceed with extreme caution.

    PS- Its too bad they arent more legit as their slots are very appealing.
     
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  8. Dec 26, 2005
  9. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    Ladydream - wasn't that the one with the funky BJ screenshot? I forgot what awful thing it showed, but it sure was malfunctioning software.

    This was a few years ago. Anyone remember? Bryan?
     
  10. Dec 26, 2005
  11. realwtfsup

    realwtfsup Experienced Member

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    Tacoma
  12. Dec 27, 2005
  13. bAdSmoker

    bAdSmoker Experienced Member

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    Secret.... Shhhh...
    Location:
    USA
    Damnit! I figured it was to good to be true. :(
     
  14. Dec 27, 2005
  15. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania

    I think the easiest way to tell if it is too good is to check out their "contact" page. If they have no mention of telephone numbers, run the hell away!!! (this one only has email for contact)

    ps: Just for shits & giggles, I checked out their "help" page....and lookie here:

    What kind of BS is that? Is this software rogued, or just the casino itself?
     
  16. Dec 27, 2005
  17. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    There are 54 items regarding this dump in the Rogue Section here alone if you use "Lady Dream Casino" as the search target on Bryan's search facility. That should give you some idea of the past behaviour of this outfit.
     
  18. Dec 27, 2005
  19. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I know it's been discussed in the past regarding free play vs real play and how the payouts are. I just think it's totally unethical for them to do this, and hide it (3 layers deep) in the "help" section of their website that they do let you win more.....just to entice you to deposit. IMO what's to stop them from having a "win" or "lose" switch that's also been discussed in the past. I definately would never play at a casino that has this software.
     
  20. Dec 27, 2005
  21. amatrine

    amatrine Crazy Cat Lady webmeister

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Arizona City, Az
    I tried out there free bonus this morning and could not get thier casino to work on my computer. No matter what I tried it would freeze up after a couple spins, and the website would not start again without restarting my computer. I finaly gave up, bonus still sitting in the account.

    Amatrine
     
  22. Dec 27, 2005
  23. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Homemaker
    Location:
    Bierland
    Hi all,

    Just trying to slowing crawl out of the Xmas lull - but it ain't happening yet; it's like hibernation :D

    Anyway, these guys have a history which has been well documented on this site. There were a number of non-payment issues and some rather unorthodox business practices at work. But in September this year, I sat down with their new marketing director who went over with me issues from the past as well as current issues. This is documented here:

    http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/goldbetting.html

    He is also a member of the forum and can be contacted here:
    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/fiftypercent.html

    The Ladydream page needs to be updated obviously. That is a section from the old Casinomeister site :oops:

    But then on another note, I wasn't aware of the "play for fun" being programmed differently from the "play for real". Even though it's mentioned in their T&Cs, that ain't a good thing.
     
  24. Dec 27, 2005
  25. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

    Occupation:
    webmistress
    Location:
    The Boonies
    I now remember where I saw that screenshot that I think was ladydream - in the inner sanctum of GPWA.

    Probably is still there but I can't access it anymore. It demonstrated a software bug in BJ.

    Maybe someone from GPwA can retrieve it for us.
     
  26. Dec 27, 2005
  27. amatrine

    amatrine Crazy Cat Lady webmeister

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Arizona City, Az
    Oh my gosh, lady dream turned into lady nightmare.
    I went back today, and it was running fine.
    I played for a good 45 minuits, then on the racing game, It gave me three wilds! I held all three buttons, and guess what, server error, It disconted from the server. I went back into the game, and the orginal bet back in my balance, no win. I guess they would blame this on techinal error? Funny it only happened when I hit the top jackpot. The only reason Im not flaming mad it was a free bonus, but I will never pay to play there after that.
    Its too bad because the games were really fun, if they were fair.

    Amatrine
     
  28. Jan 12, 2006
  29. FiftyPercent

    FiftyPercent Dormant account

    Occupation:
    EVP
    Location:
    Toronto
    CashWave.com / LadyDream Response

    Hello Group,

    Thank you for your interest in our casinos. I believe there is a lot of ground to cover, so please allow me to begin.

    CashWave.com has taken over the Advertising, Affiliate Marketing, and Relations for the following casinos as of April 05.

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    With the help of the Meister, I became aware of some things that needed attention based upon past communications and outstanding issues that had not been properly resolved. With most of these issues dating back to 2003, I have relied on the Meister to gather information, build a solid bridge of communication, and enable me to address those items with the Casino Management Team at that time.

    Since the official launch of CashWave.com in September 05, CashWave.com is the liaison for the aforementioned Casinos. The launch of CashWave.com has been, and continues to be a successful, ethical, and responsive Affiliate Program. CashWave.com values our Affiliates and helps them build successful marketing programs. We have multiple services that can not be found in other affiliate programs, but, most importantly, our Affiliate and Player satisfaction/retention are one of the highest in our industry, based upon the information that we have shared and obtained from various well known and established casino affiliate programs.

    Now, that obviously does not preclude us from having new issues that arise from time to time. However, I can assure you that we deal with any arising issue from a practical and fact based position. I have done that with the Meister, and other forums, every time there has been a topic for concern or interest.

    Based upon the recent posts there appears to be a couple of items that need to be addressed.

    The first matter is from post: winbig72 regarding Free Play vs. Real Play

    Our casinos do offer Free Play. In fact that is one of the leading marketing tools we have. You can go to any one of our casinos and begin playing our games for free, instantly. No downloading, no entering in your email address.nothing. Just click and play. We have tens of thousands of people playing our games for free at any given time. They are high quality, attractive and fun.

    The Free Play games are designed for that reason. Fun! They are, I play them all the time with my family and friends. The games are high quality flash on these Free Games and it is fun to win, often. That is the fact portion of my explanation.

    For the practical portion, our Free Games are not the same odds as our Real Games based upon security reasons. You will find that our security measures are aggressive and better than most. We need them to be. We are not a small mom and pop company, yet we are not the large conglomerate either. We have major investments in all security and counter fraud initiatives. Because slots are not actually random number generated games, slots are subject to pattern cracking. We have seen this in the past, it does exist. And with the proliferation of software cracks and programs readily available, we have taken measures as part of our across the board policy to proactively secure our business, our Affiliates and our Players by keeping them protected to the best of our ability.

    Our Players end up staying with us for a very long time. We have remarkable player retention, which is partly because of the quality of our casinos, and partly because of the heavy bonuses we give out to our existing players. In addition to getting Birthday, Holiday, and randomly requested bonuses, we take care of our honest, long term players like no other casino can.

    We disclose the difference between Free Play and Real Play in our Ts & Cs. We are an ethical business that offers a great program for Affiliates and quality games for Users.

    Our Affiliates enjoy the benefits of having a program like this because we take care of their players and keep them playing.

    Unlike many casinos, you can play our Real Games for $0.05 all day long to try them out, for real. A deposit of $20 is required. :)

    Our games may not be for everyone. There are many casinos to choose from. We understand and support each players decision to play where they want to. We try to offer the best experience possible for the players that do decide to play our games. We dont offer poker or sports betting. We do offer high quality slots, table games, and soon BINGO.

    We respect the opinions of everyone, and understand that our response to the group may not completely satisfy everyones feelings on how a casino business should be run. I encourage you to direct any questions that you may have to me directly at This email is not visible to you. or continue to your post on the Casinomeisters forum. I will be happy to respond.

    Thank you all for your time;

    FiftyPercent aka Todd and the CashWave.com Team. :thumbsup:
     
  30. Jan 12, 2006
  31. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

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    That says it all for me. Though I appreciate the fact that you came in here to explain - this simple fact is just an obtuse way of saying that your slots are RIGGED.
     
  32. Jan 12, 2006
  33. FiftyPercent

    FiftyPercent Dormant account

    Occupation:
    EVP
    Location:
    Toronto
    LadyDream is a Great Casino!

    Hello,

    It is nice to see you fast response, thank you. Your opinions are yours, we respect that. If you do not favor our products it is best to move onward, rather than arbitrarily assess our company.

    It is important for you to note that ALL online and landbased slots are based on programed payout results rather than random number generation.

    Online, only table games are based on random generated odds.

    Therefore your assesment of our products being rigged must be the same for every casino slot machine, land based or online. :eek:

    Our products and services are all above board. We take pride in delivering the best products we can and servicing the honest folks who choose us as there casino of choice.

    Best,

    Todd
     
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  34. Jan 12, 2006
  35. FiftyPercent

    FiftyPercent Dormant account

    Occupation:
    EVP
    Location:
    Toronto
    Hello / LadyDream

    Hello BadSmoker,

    Thank you for your post. We are indeed a very legitimate casino and have nearly more than 2000 existing affiliates. We offer a 50% rev share, negative balances are not carried over, and our casinos convert very well.

    All of our programs are managed through You must register/login in order to see the link.. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask, This email is not visible to you..
     
  36. Jan 12, 2006
  37. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    I think thats a fair point actually. Its well known that "offline" and "online" slots are weighted, therefore the true randomness is not present. Its that old "what is random" argument again :D Lets not go there again again again....

    Care to expand on this one? I'd be interested to know why not.
     
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  38. Jan 12, 2006
  39. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Senior Partner, InfoPowa News Service
    Location:
    Earth
    Given the long and frustrating history of these casinos, I have a few questions, too:

    1) Is the Wager 21 software still in use? If not what has replaced it and when?

    2) Your description of the CashWave management responsibilities is confined to "Advertising, Affiliate Marketing, and Relations" the latter presumably being CRM. This suggests that these duties have been outsourced to your company. That being the case, who handles the actual casinos operational side, who are the owners, and who handles the financial and accounting responsibilities?

    3) In what jurisdiction is the group now licensed?

    Many of us can still vividly remember the at times infuriating antics of the previous management here and his laptop activities, and you will therefore understand that there exists some cynicism.

    The way to dispel this and make a success of the group is obviously to perform in an ethical and efficient manner that answers the needs of the players who constitute your business now and in the future.

    Spearmaster is also a widely respected and knowledgeable industry insider who's opinion always gets close attention. That suggests that you might have to work harder at convincing the players that your software is all you claim it to be.
     

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