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[snorky510238]

Educate us with your evidence of what you are claiming then?

I am close to doing that just giving considerable thought to how much I say.

 

[lewisnadasurf]

I am close to doing that just giving considerable thought to how much I say.

You’re being way too subjective here with nothing to back yourself up... I have had this argument before with people who just didn’t understand how an RNG works - they believed the RNG is rigged too. Which is just complete fabrication.

I do however have a question.

Does the FOBT Blackjack play random 52 cards just like in real life or does it also work under RTP? so meaning you will not get 99% RTP playing by basic strategy?

 

[snorky510238]

You’re being way too subjective here with nothing to back yourself up... I have had this argument before with people who just didn’t understand how an RNG works - they believed the RNG is rigged too. Which is just complete fabrication.

I do however have a question.

Does the FOBT Blackjack play random 52 cards just like in real life or does it also work under RTP? so meaning you will not get 99% RTP playing by basic strategy?

Neither blackjack or roulette have anywhere near the true margin that in itself tells you something.

 

[shadow123]

if I spent a year watching fobts I am sure my eyes would have melted☺

btw what is the rtp on fobt blackjack?

 

[colinsunderland]

I am close to doing that just giving considerable thought to how much I say.

Why? Just say it or don't.

 

[trancemonkey]

yep but the bookies are fighting to keep £100 stake,think it will end up at £20 on roulette, which will bugger up martidale betting,
£2 will stop it altogether.

The bookies aren't fighting to keep £100... they know full well it's coming down. They are fighting for £20 or £30 at the moment... and limiting that to table games only.

 

[trancemonkey]

Last week Watched thai flower lose the 2nd of 2 pie gambles for a mate, about 13/17 times when the pie was 65/75% fav. 100 jacker. Put in 280 for 160 collect on 1quid spins lol. Can still hear the pathetic repetative spin tune now. Was in a wetherspoons mind

Was gambling 10+ each time

Category C machines can be compensated. I don't know if Thai Flower is compensated on Cat C, but it will say in the help screens if it is or not.

If it's a compensated Cat C game then it doesn't have to be fair.

 

[trancemonkey]

if I spent a year watching fobts I am sure my eyes would have melted☺

btw what is the rtp on fobt blackjack?

Depends what Blackjack pays... but with perfect play it should be around 99.2% if Blackjack pays 2 to 1.

I think it's more like around 98.4 though with Blackjack paying 6 to 5

 

[trancemonkey]

Lol you haven't got a clue.

Well, he has... he's totally right. If you think you can prove us wrong, go ahead. I challenge you to provide proof we are lying...

 

[trancemonkey]

If they are regulated properly.1 the person either does not know what they are looking for.2 they like £50 notes in polythene bags or 3 the providers have a way of making everything look legitimate when they are anything but.

You don't have a clue what your talking about do you...

Do you even know that at every company that provides games for release in the UK (retail and online) there has to be PML (Personal Management Licence) holder who signs off every game to say it is legal and compliant.

If a fault is found in the game that is found to be fraudulent, dodgy, in purpose then that person is criminally responsible. They can do quite a long stretch in prison for it or have an enormous fine. Or both.

Here's a link to it for your reading pleasure:

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How many people do you think would take that risk in order to be dodgy? And if you're right and they are all rigged (meaning all providers would have to be in on it) that if it ever came out that they were the whole industry wouild collapse and a lot of people would be in prison.

And yet you still think they are all rigged.

Imagine how many people who hate gambling would LOVE to be able to prove FOBT machines are rigged. But they haven't. Why? Because they aren't.

You can choose to ignore fact and common sense and go with a feeling if you want... but at least listen to reason and don't dismiss it.

 

[trancemonkey]

I do like all these comments where people defend things to the hilt based on what they have heard and what they believe with no concrete evidence but someone who thinks the opposite is wrong.

I haven't defended anything based on what I've heard or believe. I know it because it created games for the market.

But even though I've done the maths, game design, compliance documentation and know FOBT games inside out, I still have no concrete evidence?

You're too funny Let's see your evidence then... it needs to be demonstrably correct and irrefutable

 

[shadow123]

The rtp on physical blackjack is purely a maths calculation based on certain rules, if the rtp on Fotb using the same rules is different
it could be said to be rigged either by throwing in losing games , or by using a non standard pack(s) of cards (fewer 10,s and pictures).
To be honest I dont know what the declared fobt rtp is or what the disclaimer on the game says.perhaps someone could enlighten me

 

[TheAddict]

Category C machines can be compensated. I don't know if Thai Flower is compensated on Cat C, but it will say in the help screens if it is or not.

If it's a compensated Cat C game then it doesn't have to be fair.

Yeah i know mate. Cheers though
I dont play em myself, was there for a beer and a punt on a compensated game and my friend got bored lol so decided to unload his wallet in it....

It is random version yeah, did say so in the menu. the 100 in the pubs. 84% 25p , 86% 50p, but he was playing man stake 88 % on £1 spins.
Must admit there is also a tease on it that is patheticly annoying, if it rolls full symbols of anything on reels one and 2 then the reel 3 gives a tease. He had that about 30 times, mostky with utter low symbols and still only once got a win (about 4 quid ha).

It was ugly how it kept losing the 2nd gamble when trying to gamble 20/25 for 30 odd in order to exchange for 5 or 6 super poo spins. Wne the pie was around 65% to 75% green.

The 2nd gamble did it god knows how many times like hardky ever letting it reach a chance for a 3rd gamble, i wish i counted but it was sickening to watch.

The entire 45 minutes was brutal

 

[TheAddict]

I should probably add in the spirit of fairness, the previous two times he has played it in other pubs he was 20 and 35 in bfore managing to get the jackpot, one time playing for 5 minutes and the other and left after 20 minutes. Though he hit those pies pretty much 1st or 2nd time for 30quid odd (can exchange 5quid for 1 supersin, 10quid for 2 etc)
But he got involved and, while probably not making the best decisions at times.. didnt manage a jackpot till about 280 in. Put about 40 back with wins keeping the balance up n down, for to get another jackpot .. coulda left about 100 down at best after played on a bit more but yeah lost about 130 140 ish in the end.

 

[CasinoNinja]

The thing about the FOBT slots machines is that their RTP is much much lower than online. If your playing the lowest stake it's somewhere around 87%! Even at £2 these days, the max you get is 91% or 90% in some cases. So that is where they make their money.

 

[snorky510238]

I haven't defended anything based on what I've heard or believe. I know it because it created games for the market.

But even though I've done the maths, game design, compliance documentation and know FOBT games inside out, I still have no concrete evidence?

You're too funny Let's see your evidence then... it needs to be demonstrably correct and irrefutable

There are more rogue casinos on cm's list than there are accredited ones and we are told everything is 100% legitimate and not to question things.