Kildare VS Mayflower Casino

For what it's worth the OP's PAB, as submitted, is hooped. Obviously didn't read the FAQ as instructed.

OP emailed the details. Waiting for a re-submit.
 
Since that last post the OP has attempted to comply with the requirements of the PAB.
 
fighting my own battles now

I no longer wish casinomeister to handle or mishandle my case against Mayflower casino. They have been aggressive with me and my intentions here and appear to have falsely claimed that the casino wished them to settle this matter. I wish all casino players and Honest casinos a very prosperous new year
 
I no longer wish casinomeister to handle or mishandle my case against Mayflower casino. They have been aggressive with me and my intentions here and appear to have falsely claimed that the casino wished them to settle this matter. I wish all casino players and Honest casinos a very prosperous new year

Your displeasure has been noted but (a) our 'aggressiveness' toward you has been due to your flagrant and repeated contempt for our ways and procedures here, and (b) your suggestion that we "falsely claimed" that Mayflower wanted us to get involved has no basis in fact. I've got the emails from them to prove it.

Per usual it seems that everyone else is the cause of your problems and you are the picture of put-upon innocence. Hogwash!

Since you've asked us to get involved we're involved. From what I've seen and heard from the casino thus far you are not going to like the results.
 
Wrong again Max
But I will respect the rules here and not turn this into a bickering section.. I have repeatedly asked you questions when I didn't understand. I thanked you for the time spent on the issue, But after being bullied into filing a PAB you fell back on the fact that I had created web pages about the fraud from their casino.. Pages that were posted pre PAB.. As for the casino E-mails well you have the e-mails I don't I do however have one from the casino telling me that they were not seeking a solution from you.. I lean toward believing you in this case as the casino is playing a lot of games. My fight is not with you Max or this site but with the casino.. You have been ineffective so I will continue to fight on my own. Not sure of your motives but you can convince others of mine but you wont be able to convince me. I alone know my motives and actions. Sorry that you insist to know me better than I know myself. I wish you better luck in the future endeavours
 
Contrary to your occasional platitudes you have attacked us several times with the clear intent to discredit the site, you have lied to me and the casino, and you have attempted to blackmail the casino both via their Customer Service facilities and through your posting of sites specifically intended to damage the casino's ability to do its business.

Throughout this you have ignored our procedures and complained that it's all just a misunderstanding. Given your proven ability to communicate and navigate your way around the English language I find it exceedingly difficult to see why you would have such insurmountable difficulties reading a few pages of directions on how to conduct your affairs here insofar as the PAB and Forum Rules are concerned.

And now, while I work through the PAB process with the casino, you claim that the PAB process doesn't work, that we are intentionally hurting those who use our services and that we're the ones who have failed you and your claims with the casino.

I very much look forward to receiving the documentation the casino is currently preparing for me. I expect that the answers I need will be there and that a final conclusion on this case will then be possible, with or without your cooperation.
 
Please stop slandering me Max .. I am leaving this PAB because you have made up your mind about the issue before you have the facts. I hope this site does right by others and I think it is a valuble service to have. But the process is not helping me so I'm leaving it... sorry if you don't understand that but.. it is my issue so I will handle it
 
Please stop slandering me Max .. I am leaving this PAB because you have made up your mind about the issue before you have the facts. I hope this site does right by others and I think it is a valuble service to have. But the process is not helping me so I'm leaving it... sorry if you don't understand that but.. it is my issue so I will handle it
How can anyone slander a user name? :what:
 
Honestly, your claim went pear-shaped when the casino provided us with a chat session that indicates that you were trying to extort money ($5259.51) out of them with those websites. Really now, what were you thinking?

And you have a UK lawyer who is condoning this sort of thing? Has your lawyer seen the chat session, or should I post it here? Please let me know.
 
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This really amazes me at what people will do for money. I guess it's no wonder that Maxx gets frustrated sometimes. Scammers, fraudsters and the good people that PAB are all thrown into the mix and valuable time is wasted sorting out the scammers...jeez Things like this makes it so hard on honest players.
 
e-mail from Mayflower proving what bonus I was on

Congratulations!!!
You have just received your First Deposit Bonus!

Please remember that you would have to wager the deposit and bonus x16 times (example $100 deposit + $100 bonus = $3200 in wagers) before you can make a withdrawal and should you have a pending withdrawal no further deposit bonuses can be allocated to you when you make a deposit.

For further information please contact our Mayflower live support or write us at support@mayflowercasino.com.

Good luck and see you at the tables!

Mayflower
Account Management Team
 
e-mail from live support just before my deposit

As per our conversation on the casinos live chat I am e-mailing you regarding how the withdrawal structure works on the free bonus (as per your request). The max withdrawal is $50 per week if you have a bonus winning of less than $100 and max $100 per week if you won more than $100. So if you want to be able to withdraw that you have to:

1) Send in a withdrawal request and complete the information for it. *Leave a note that you wanted to use Click2Pay but the option was not there.

2) Make a deposit, the minimum being $25

3) If you want the 400% bonus that comes with the first deposit, you will not be able to withdraw your bonus winnings until you complete the 20x playthrough (wagering requirement) that comes with the deposit. The playthrough is 20x the deposit + bonus total and not just the bonus.

4) If you want to withdraw your bonus winnings immediately after you deposit, you have to message someone from the support staff on the live chat in the casino to remove your deposit bonus (the 400% bonus).

5) If you remove the bonus however, you cannot get the 400% back as it is for first deposits only. The 2nd deposit is a 100% bonus. You can of course discuss with a support rep on the live chat to receive a bigger bonus but it is not guaranteed that you will receive 400% again (although you can discuss your issue with support and they may or may not allow you another 400%).



If you have any further questions just come online and request assistance from support J





Best Regards,



Ian L

Mayflower Casino



the chat sesion casinomeister is talking about is real but not the whole story.. in the chat session (and this is after several days of trying to deal with them) I tell them that if they don't pay me what they owe me I will raise the damages to include the domain names and hosting.. this was in an attempt to get them to pay me what they owed me then and there. A mistake perhaps yes but it doesn't change the fact that they cheated me. I was standing up for myself to a casino which was not acting fairly had all my docs and but tries very hard to hide its location and info about themselves.. Yes I shot myself in the foot before sending in my PAB.. and I knew that I just wanted other people to know that they were dishonest
 
I have received the information from the casino, gone over it and am waiting for CM to look it over too. While that is happening I have to point out a number of falsehoods and misdirections that the OP has tried to get away with here:

Im not seeking any money...

If you're "not seeking any money" then what is this about? If you're not seeking money then why did you try to extort $1000s from the casino chat and Support people? If this isn't about money then why have you been trying so hard to get money from the casino?

I suggest that it very much is, or at least was, about money. Perhaps you're changing your tune now because things aren't going quite the way you planned. Whatever, you tried to pressure the casino for cash and any attempt to pretend you didn't would be a deliberate distortion of the facts.

...I tell them that if they don't pay me what they owe me I will raise the damages to include the domain names and hosting. ... A mistake perhaps yes but it doesn't change the fact that they cheated me ... I just wanted other people to know that they were dishonest

  • You said "I tell them that if they don't pay me what they owe me I will raise the damages to include the domain names and hosting".
    This is another distortion of the facts which are that you attempted a two-stage extortion of the casino: stage one was for $2000+ if they payed before a specified hour. If they didn't pay in time you explicitly stated that your demands would jump to $5000+. That's a heck of a lot more than "domain names and hosting" and you know it.
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  • You say "they cheated me"? How is that? Let's review the facts:
    • You were given explicit instructions on how to withdraw your no-deposit bonus winnings which you read back to them and clearly understood.
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    • You deposited, there was a snag regarding the cancellation of the bonus on your deposit, and you were explicitly told you should not play your current balance until Support had had a chance to clear things up. You said yourself that you would write to Support to get things straightened out.
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    • 15 minutes later you ignored everything you had been told and played your balance anyway, knowing full well that there would be consequences re: the withdrawal limits of the no-deposit bonus.
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    • At this point you emailed the casino expressly stating that you accepted the fact that your post-deposit winnings had been canceled because you knew you had screwed up, that you had been wrong in not following the procedures given to you both in email and on their chat, but could something please be worked out.
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    • They offered you a modest but reasonable settlement which you referred to as "an insult" and responded to by making threats.
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    • And then you tried blackmailing them with your smear campaign for the specific purpose of extorting money. That smear campaign remained in place until I asked you to pull it down as a pre-condition to proceeding with your PAB.
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    After all this you have the brass to say that you were the one being cheated? That's a lot of brass.
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  • You say you "just wanted other people to know that they were dishonest".
    • Who here ignored directions they agreed to follow?
    • Who here said they'd get things cleared up with Support and then did the complete opposite?
    • Who here tried extortion to get what they wanted?
    • Who here has repeatedly lied to the casino, to us and to the forum members?
    These are the dishonesties in this case, pure and simple.
At worst one of the casino support people made a mistake in calculating your WR because they were not aware of your previous bonus restrictions. Compare that to what you have done here and it's pretty obvious who the culprit is.
 
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Just a excerpt from the chat session so members here can learn from this guy's mistakes.

You don't try to extort casinos. It's not a good thing to do.

This is from December 4th - the day he purchased the domains
Kildare: the UK lawyer was very hungry to be involved I held her off becuse I Kildare: thought I should give you a chance to be resonaable
Kildare: I didnt think they would have any power because you are scattered Kildare:all over Europe but she said no that they still can get the job done
Kildare: so if time runs out then fixing this will be quite costly
Kildare: where as dealing with me now will just be fair
Casino: I see that you were offered a courtesy offer of 300 to settle the Casino:misunderstanding of the policy... seems like thats where things stand.. Casino:im sure that offer will also not last long
Kildare: price is now $2259.51
Kildare:$300 is an insult
Kildare:at 12 o'clock price will go up to almost $8000
Kildare:plus what ever the courts give
Kildare:sorry incorrect
Kildare:in 1 hour price goes to $5259.51
Kildare:not as bad but still pricey
Kildare:not to mention the lose of business when people read about your Kildare:dealings
Kildare:*loss
Kildare:so whats it going to be ?
Kildare:let the clock run out?
Kildare:test me to see if Im bluffing?
Kildare:oops:r just pay me what you owe me?
Kildare:oops:k well I'm logging out again you can call me if you guys get smart
Kildare:26 minutes to go
Kildare:I have page open to put the sites live at the touch of a button
Kildare:20 left to make a deal
Kildare:funny Im kind of hoping you dont take the deal now
Kildare:sick of dealing with you crooks
Kildare:and If I manage to put you out of business then the world will be a Kildare:slightly better place
Kildare:oops:ne less crooked casino n,on line good for the whole industry
Kildare:would be happy to have Alistar tell me he does not want the deal is Kildare:he there?
Kildare:15 minutes
Casino: Hi Kildare
Kildare:hi taking my offer or can I post the websites now?
Casino:I'm afraid my offer still stands Kildare. I can not go more
Kildare:oops:k well see you on the search result pages for mayflowercasino then

These domains can normally run around $8-12 per year for registration - hosting costs can be a little as $4.95 a month (Godaddy, etc). So $5000 is pretty silly - unless you are trying to extort something out of someone.

And I hope everyone here can note that this casino is NOT on the Accredited List - and is not affiliated with Casinomeister in any way. This just goes to show that Max and I try to deal with these issues fairly regardless with whom we're dealing with.

The player has already emailed us explaining how disappointed he is. Well, I'm pretty disappointed in this player. Account closed for exploiting the forum for a misguided agenda.
 
Blackmail and extortion are more significant crimes than theft and fraud.
An offence taken very seriously, punishable with lengthy jail sentences.

Reading the contents of this thread is quite shocking, the contents of this thread along with the casinos chat logs should be handed over to the French Police for further enquires.

People who resort to blackmail and demanding money with menaces need to be brought to the attention of the Police, as it is possible that this individual may be sought in connection with similar offences. His next victim might not be a casino or clued up members of a forum.

Mike
 
Lest anyone had lingering doubts about the charms of M. Kildare I thought it worth posting this latest from him:
Well cry me a river Detective twit and Inspector Twat have sided with the wrong side.. bravo fools

I never lied to you I did what you asked me to do and offered to help...
guess you ass-holes just like being paid off in beer by Casinos rather than
helping people

You guys are either the stupidest fuckers on the planet or crooked too...

I can be happy that I have tried to right this wrong but you ass wipes have
wasted my time and miss use the trust of your readers shame on you both

Needless to say I am now, head bowed, composing my resignation/suicide note and begging the kind sir's gracious forgiveness.
 
:rolleyes:

domains:

.org = shut down
.biz = shut down
.org = shut down
.eu = shut down
.mobi = redirects to .org, shut down
.info = shut down
.us = shut down

.net = The domain registration information is different than the rest, so it was apparently sold to an affiliate without a clue that supports rogue casinos. Cool Cat, Palace of Chance, etc.
 
.org = shut down
.biz = shut down
.eu = shut down ....

FWIW, these sites are back up or redirecting. And they're now calling Casinomeister "a scam" and claiming that we're in bed with the casino, etc. Guess he got tired of sending me foul and abusive emails (there were several). What a chump!
 
Well, I guess I'll just slash my wrists and get it over with - oh whoa is me.

Or better yet, I'll just twiddle my thumbs and wait for the extortion letter... :rolleyes:
 

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