Kick in the b*lls

[heatherad]

Hehe I have the exact opposite in that I get slaughtered at inetbet and seem to get some play at Clubworld.
I have even PM'd the inetbet rep asking why my returns are so poor there.

Did you get any response yet?
And just out of curiosity, what games do you play most at Inetbet and ClubWorld?
I play mostly on Cleopatras Gold and if I am doing any good, I'll switch over to Paradise Dreams for abit.
The other night the playing time was so bad I switched to Joker Poker my last $5 and got more playing time out of that.
I'm going to flip a coin to see which of the 2 casinos I deposit at next

 

[Rusty]

Did you get any response yet?
And just out of curiosity, what games do you play most at Inetbet and ClubWorld?
I play mostly on Cleopatras Gold and if I am doing any good, I'll switch over to Paradise Dreams for abit.
The other night the playing time was so bad I switched to Joker Poker my last $5 and got more playing time out of that.
I'm going to flip a coin to see which of the 2 casinos I deposit at next

No response yet.
paradise dreams eats me alive as does cleopatra,red sands,mermaid queen,aladin,outathisworld,mister money and derby dollars.

I seem to get most play from Achilles, honey to the bee, fruit frenzy, diamond dozen,sunken treasure and oddly, golden glove, which slaughters me every other RTG

The rest can be anything.
But no matter which slot I play once those reels start spinning weird say goodbye balance!

Maybe when we sign up at a Casino we get assigned our very own payout % LOL, it is weird how Clubworld had outperformed inet on every deposit I have made and yet for other people the opposite is true.

Conspiracy theories...... away!

 

[heatherad]

No response yet.
paradise dreams eats me alive as does cleopatra,red sands,mermaid queen,aladin,outathisworld,mister money and derby dollars.

Paradise Dreams can bleed you dry, but when its playing good, it pays good.
Wish I knew how to take screen shots when I hit 5 gold pyramids on Cleopatras Gold last month. Was only on a .20cent bet but it paid $500 and now that I know how to do screen shots I doubt I'll be seeing that anytime soon lol.
As for Achilles, Crystal Waters and a few others, they seem to play better in *FUN* mode
And how weird is that...you say when your spins start going weird you start loosing, its the opposite for me.
I have an idea!!!!! How about Inetbet give you a few $$$ to play there, and ClubWorld give me a few $$$ to play there and see which one of us plays the longest on the same amount of money?????
No restrictions on the cashouts though

 

[Mike031]

5 gold pyramids on Cleopatras Gold
Was only on a .20cent bet but it paid $500

That can't be, because 5 Pyramides pays you only $ 100 (500x you bet size) and not $ 500

Thats really interesting, because always when i play Cleo, i can do this about some days, without losing anything, because i use this always to fullfill my WR for a Bonus

So maybe i have really always luck their, but you got the pain?

Btw. it's on both casinos, InetBet and CWC, so i think, they have very exactly the same payouts

 

[heatherad]

That can't be, because 5 Pyramides pays you only $ 100 (500x you bet size) and not $ 500

Thats really interesting, because always when i play Cleo, i can do this about some days, without losing anything, because i use this always to fullfill my WR for a Bonus

So maybe i have really always luck their, but you got the pain?

Btw. it's on both casinos, InetBet and CWC, so i think, they have very exactly the same payouts

You could very well be right. I know the winning for 5 gold pryamids when I hit paid me $500 and .20cents is what I thought I was playing at the time because thats basically what bet I start out on until I build it up.
Have you ever known anyone to get 5 cleopatras?
Thanks for the correction though Sounds like I must of been betting $1 which very well could of been because I had it built up to over $200 before I hit the pryamids.

 

[Mike031]

Have you ever known anyone to get 5 cleopatras?

I had one time 5 pyramides, but only on a 20.-cent bet, that's why i know it so exactly ;-)

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hi

In response to I think all of the questions, here goes:

I am sorry but the standard comps conversion stays as it is however the comp value does increase as your VIP status increases.

Any bonus that has a max cashout rule does not apply to the progressive jackpot however since the random jackpots are local and are funded by us to start with and also by bonus money we feel it is fair to have a limit if the jackpot is hit.
The remainder is then placed back into the machines pot again.

We will possibly review this policy if there is a reasonable and fair argument against it but personally I feel that people who deposit without bonuses maybe losing out on jackpots if players that take bonuses hit the randoms.

I think it is a matter of choice whether someone prefers to play with a bonus and risk the chance of hitting a random and getting paid $2000 or whatever it might be, or to deposit without a bonus and get everything.

All bonus promotions have detailed terms that go with them either on the marquee message on in the email, so please check that when you take a coupon you also know what the limitations might be.

Thanks

Jason

These arguments seem sound enough, but how is it that other brands can offer bonuses well in excess of the 35% or so of Club World, AND have no max cashout rules. Not only that, but these bonuses are cashable.
It would be better to scrap ALL max cashout rules in favour of other methods to control bonuses. Even when playing with a 35% bonus, the player has to deposit far more of their own money, so if they are playing a real series slot, they are also funding the RJ with their own money, yet are still held to the limit.
Winning the RJ is not something that happens everyday, so players are going to end up very disappointed if it happens with a bonus in the account.
One possibility would be to ask RTG to disable all local progressives once bonus money comes into play, thus preventing bonuses being used to fund them, and allowing cashout limits to be scrapped.

 

[clubworld]

Hi

I have no idea how other casinos can offer huge cashable bonuses, I dont even wish to speculate. All I know is that the accredited casinos are not big on huge promo offers and there must be a reason why the opposite is true regarding the other places.

I know for a fact that our payout percentages on the most popular games do not allow us to offer these huge bonuses as we would be affected detrimentally by it.

We are certainly not cheap when it comes to bonuses but we realise the risks involved and so we calculate what we believe are attractive promotions with a playthru that is not unrealistic to attain. The main thing for us is that we have a vast majority of happy returning players.
Whether it is because of the customer service or the fast cashouts or the promos I have no idea, but we try and give the player the most enjoyable playing time with us.

I think that bonuses not being applicable to random jackpots would be great, even better would be that the random slots be turned into network progressives. These are issues I have already asked of RTG and hopefully one day they will do something.

Thanks

Jason

 

[amatrine]

Re

I am so glad they changed that comp rule. Once, I turned 3.00 in comps into almost 1,000 and it sucked , because I could only cash out 30, and it would cost about that to get it out of eco card, so just blew it back , no point.

Defintley a step in the rite direction.

I wish club world woud change to less bonuses with the no max cash out like inet. Since I rarley play with a bonus, it would be nice to use one once in while, and not worry about max cashouts. But I suppose there are a lot of players that like the daily bonus, so probably play there because of that.

Mabey they can run a player a survey to see what the majority would like better?

Ama

 

[ergopro]

6/17/2007 2:29:39 AM NETeller Withdrawal Approved! ($100.00)
6/16/2007 11:03:30 AM NETeller Withdrawal Requested ($100.00)
6/16/2007 9:19:51 AM Comp Cash Deposit Approved! $10.75
6/16/2007 9:19:51 AM Comp Cash Deposit Requested $10.75

Wish I had known that this clause:
All rules and regulations pertaining to our comps program can be found by clicking here.
Then:
Any free money given, that does not require a deposit, e.g. a Non-Deposit Coupon, loyalty bonus, comps, VIP bonus, vanity card, manager deposit, competition/tournament prizes, compensation bonus, inconvenience bonus, birthday bonus etc. (unless otherwise stated) will have a maximum cash out of 10x the bonus given e.g. $50 given max cash out = $500.

Well, you live and learn...I'd wish that Inetbet would put the rules for comp points directly to comp points page saying that they have no max.cashout.
It's totally my mistake and I admit that but wouldn't have blown the money that was over that 10x max.cashout...It was only few bucks, but still...

 

[Mike031]

I'd wish that Inetbet would put the rules for comp points directly to comp points page saying that they have no max.cashout.

Yes that would be really very nice, because i also always thought, that the comp points have only a 10x max cash-out, but as we can see now, that's not really true, but "comps" mean for me also "comp points" and this is not only, why my english is not the best, because even english speaking people made the same mistake, as i do, so this should really be cleared on their side

 

[mrracetrack]

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[Rusty]

Important news;

From what I hear Clubworld will be changing the max cashout rule from next Week so that there will be no max cashout on comps or bonus.
There may well be some restrictions regarding RJ won with bonus money.

I think Clubworld deserve a lot of credit for the way they have responded to the issues raised in this thread.

I think the point they made about over generous bonus offers made by less reputable Casinos is a valid one.

Any Casino that adjusts payout % to incorporate a bonus offer should be immediately rogued and there are certainly 1 or 2 Casinos I have played at where I suspect this has happened.(WR is the means to change ev)

Of course all Casinos should be independently audited and regulated and publish the payout % on all their games but unless this ever happens it is simply a case of trust and personal experience as to where you play.

In this regard Casinos can help themselves enormously in the way they react to critisism and complaints and again I commend Clubworld here.

Hopefully there will be an announcement very soon from Clubworld

 

[Mike031]

Clubworld will be changing the max cashout rule from next Week so that there will be no max cashout on comps or bonus.

If this is reality, i'll certainly play there again without any doubt

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hi

I have no idea how other casinos can offer huge cashable bonuses, I dont even wish to speculate. All I know is that the accredited casinos are not big on huge promo offers and there must be a reason why the opposite is true regarding the other places.

I know for a fact that our payout percentages on the most popular games do not allow us to offer these huge bonuses as we would be affected detrimentally by it.

We are certainly not cheap when it comes to bonuses but we realise the risks involved and so we calculate what we believe are attractive promotions with a playthru that is not unrealistic to attain. The main thing for us is that we have a vast majority of happy returning players.
Whether it is because of the customer service or the fast cashouts or the promos I have no idea, but we try and give the player the most enjoyable playing time with us.

I think that bonuses not being applicable to random jackpots would be great, even better would be that the random slots be turned into network progressives. These are issues I have already asked of RTG and hopefully one day they will do something.

Thanks

Jason

Microgaming have network progressives, so perhaps they can afford to have no max cashout as the risk is defined for each casino (1% or so of turnover sent to fund the jackpot), rather than being faced with players chasing them down with large bonuses. I'm sure such chasing still happens at MG, but the risk is spread.
The problem with RTG is that the bigger bonuses tend to exclude pretty much every game apart from the slots, so this is why the max cashout on the random jackpots becomes such an issue.
Gamblers are a bit superstitious, and if the "win" a big random jackpot and lose most of it to a maz cashout rule, they believe they have "used up" their luck, and wont hit again. They may also start thinking the random jackpots are rigged to be loose while a max cashout rule applies to the deposit, and this being just another RTG "con".
The ideal would be an end to ALL max cashout rules, risk to be managed by either limiting bet sizes, or blocking bonus money from being used to drive up progressive jackpots, such that any that are won are fully funded from player deposits.
In the mean time, players should take the max cashout into consideration when selecting which Random Jackpot to play for, just in case they get lucky.