KasinoKing's SlotBeater Strategy

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So from this point on, there will new guidelines in place for signature links.

As we know, only senior members and above are allowed to have URLs (these aren't only for Webmeisters btw) - these rules are applicable for all:

I see nothing at all wrong with any of those rules. I just re-read them all and they all look to be more than sufficient to me.

As for slotbeaters.com, I have to say it does not meet the sig standards. The name itself implies that slots can be beat - they can't. So this needs to be removed. Thanks! :thumbsup:

Simmo! will also be the one moderating the sigs btw.

With those new rules though, I would most definitely think that there needs to be equal enforcement of the content guidelines you refer to scanned by Simmo just to be fair to KK...just my opinion of course to be fair to all.

It's a shame that JHV chose the "flame" route after being warned in the past not to. As I mentioned a bit earlier "great thread - bad delivery". He was working on a third strike - and my tolerance was nil when it came to his delivery - which yes, was troll-like. But other members let their emotions get the better of them as well - so I'm re-instating his account with the understanding that he will abide by our expectations.

In all due respect to you and your great site here Bryan I can't agree with your decision on this one especially after the guy has been banned three times already for the same issue(s). Will the fourth time back be any different or will it only be a matter of time before another long time member here has to receive JHV's flaming type of wrath once more before he himself is permanently set ablaze once and for all?

Lojo as well was also a great poster who offered a lot of good insight into this industry when he was not on one of his drinking binges. Just comparing the two of them, why would one be allowed back when the other is not? Just curious. Either way, I support your decision here.
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I see nothing at all wrong with any of those rules. I just re-read them all and they all look to be more than sufficient to me.



With those new rules though, I would most definitely think that there needs to be equal enforcement of the content guidelines you refer to scanned by Simmo just to be fair to KK...just my opinion of course to be fair to all.



In all due respect to you and your great site here Bryan I can't agree with your decision on this one especially after the guy has been banned three times already for the same issue(s). Will the fourth time back be any different or will it only be a matter of time before another long time member here has to receive JHV's flaming type of wrath once more before he himself is permanently set ablaze once and for all?

Lojo as well was also a great poster who offered a lot of good insight into this industry when he was not on one of his drinking binges. Just comparing the two of them, why would one be allowed back when the other is not? Just curious. Either way, I support your decision here.
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Make your mind up rob :confused:
You either agree with casinomeisters decision or you dont lol
You start out disagreeing and then at end you surport the decision :confused:
So which one is it rob ?
 
Make your mind up rob :confused:
You either agree with casinomeisters decision or you dont lol
You start out disagreeing and then at end you surport the decision :confused:
So which one is it rob ?

You need to re-read my post hushda24, there is a big difference in agreeing with a decision and supporting one! One may never always agree on the same reasons to go into battle with their commander in chief but they will in the end support his decision as any good lieutenant would..:)
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Strategy and System pages must not claim or imply that a player can beat a game with a house edge with this system or strategy. This refers to the Casinomeister Philosophy that all systems are bogus.

As for slotbeaters.com, I have to say it does not meet the sig standards. The name itself implies that slots can be beat - they can't. So this needs to be removed. Thanks! :thumbsup:

Is there anything else, or did I miss something?
Well you have missed that by saying that my 'strategy' has not really produced profits for me for the last 5 years means you are effectively calling me a liar.
I hope you don't get banned for flaming! :p

You have also missed that slots play at some casinos with bonuses (particularly Ladbrokes) is mathematically very +EV.

But hey - no big deal. Your forum your rules.
SlotBeaters.com does not get many visitors from this forum anyway, so I'm not really bothered either way.
I have removed the link, as requested.

KK
 
You need to re-read my post hushda24, there is a big difference in agreeing with a decision and supporting one! One may never always agree on the same reasons to go into battle with their commander in chief but they will in the end support his decision as any good lieutenant would..:)
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ok rob if you wanna say that.
Then WHY on earth make the post in 1st place ?
Oh we all know why dont we mr
Your just shitstirring.
Yours is a trolling post if i ever seen one
HTH :confused:
 
ok rob if you wanna say that.
Then WHY on earth make the post in 1st place ?
Oh we all know why dont we mr
Your just shitstirring.
Yours is a trolling post if i ever seen one
HTH :confused:

Rob an I have had our differences in the past
but Hushda you are wrong here Rob is not trolling
all he is doing is saying he disagrees with the Meisters plans on reinstaing JHC
read the post sheesh an Rob I happen to agree with you on that timebomb

Cindy:)
 
Rob an I have had our differences in the past
but Hushda you are wrong here Rob is not trolling
all he is doing is saying he disagrees with the Meisters plans on reinstaing JHC
read the post sheesh an Rob I happen to agree with you on that timebomb

Cindy:)

Here comes the army :notworthy
Im retreating guys
Bye
:notworthy
 
Well you have missed that by saying that my 'strategy' has not really produced profits for me for the last 5 years means you are effectively calling me a liar.
I'm not calling anyone a liar. I am stating a fact that is shared by most experts in the field. Systems that claim to beat the house are flawed. That's all. If it worked for you - fine, I believe you. But it doesn't mean that it will work for others.

RobWin said:
Will the fourth time back be any different or will it only be a matter of time before another long time member here has to receive JHV's flaming type of wrath once more before he himself is permanently set ablaze once and for all?

Lojo as well was also a great poster who offered a lot of good insight into this industry when he was not on one of his drinking binges. Just comparing the two of them, why would one be allowed back when the other is not? Just curious. Either way, I support your decision here.
I was just as patient with Lojo - I believe he got four chances too :D

My decisions never please 100% of the membership, I never expect them to. But I'm trying to be fair here, and there were a number of people who voiced the opinion that I relook at this, and I did.
 
Well you have missed that by saying that my 'strategy' has not really produced profits for me for the last 5 years means you are effectively calling me a liar.

I don't believe that it is the betting strategy that has produced those profits but instead all the bonuses you have redeemed. I would be very surprised if the total value of redeemed bonuses is smaller than your total profits over 5 years.
 
Can you please explain why it isn't true?

I chose my words carefully, I said more probable, not more likely.
There is a big difference between probability and odds IMO.

Hi KasinoKing.

No, there isn't any difference between probability and odds. The probability of something happening is indentical to the odds of something happening.

Mathematics are mathematics. They cannot be disputed. They are not opinions. 2+2 will always equal 4 whether you believe it to or not.

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In mathematics the concept has been given an exact meaning

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Taking an event with a 1 in 5 probability of occurring (i.e. a probability of 1/5, 0.2 or 20%), then the odds are 0.2 / (1 ? 0.2) = 0.2 / 0.8 = 0.25.

There are opinions that are debatable: Milton vs Keynes. Pro-life vs Pro-Choice. Big government vs Small government. And so on....

What is NOT ever debatable is mathematics. This is where you were going wrong. Your strategy was mathematically inferior to a random strategy where a player would just bet whatever they want. Your strategy would ensure they lost very close to the maximum in terms of
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. The only way they could lose more than following your strategy would be if they bet the absolute minimum every bet and never changed that wager size. Your strategy was getting very close to absolute worst strategy a player could follow. And the false logic and flawed arguments you were using to justify that strategy were nonsensical and incorrect. In a random coin toss of 1000 flips...if you flipped 999 heads in a row, the 1000th flip has 50% chance of being heads again.

The optimal strategy would be very close to the opposite of what you were proposing players should follow. The optimal strategy would be to bet the Maximum from Spin 1 to either:
a) The completion of the Wagering Requirement.
b) Bust.

That is mathematical fact. That is indisputable. You cannot dispute it if you wanted to. It's just....mathematics. And simple mathematics at that.

KasinoKing said:
Excuse me, I am not advertising to any customers.

And I'm not selling anything either - all my information is free (as it always has been) and there aren't even any advertising banners for casinos anywhere on that strategy page.

This is complete nonsense. What are you talking about?

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KasinoKing said:
Look everyone, I'm just sharing with anyone who is interested the methods which have worked consistently for me personally. Read it, laugh, take the piss, enjoy, try it or not - it's up to you. Makes no odds to me. But it is all my personal true experiences, so I'm not changing it for anyone.

KK

KasinoKing, lots of people say you're a great guy. Neither I nor any sane person would have a problem with you presenting your strategy that you use. It just needs to be worded correctly. For a start, it's not a winning strategy. You claim that it is. It simply isn't - the mathematics are not open to dispute or debate. There is an argument that some bonuses can be cleared with positive expectation (+EV) by wagering the absolute max if the terms and the HA of the Slot allow it.

Your strategy, as advertised...whether intentionally or unintentionally through ignorance (I'm now inclined to lean towards the latter)...IS NOT A WINNING STRATEGY. It's that simple. This is not open for debate. The facts of the maths are indisputable. Not possible to be argued with. It's pure, simple mathematics. NOT opinion.

KasinoKing said:
This is on the basis that the longer we go without the feature hitting, the more probable it is.

No KK. This is FALSE. This is NOT true. Again, this is not open for debate.

Look, parts of your site contain valuable information which is useful to Slot players. I sent my friend your Tomb Raider 1 Reels link and I myself used your page to work out how close I came to 1mil Euro over the weekend (13:1 by the way :) - 4 Lara Scatters inside a Scatter Feature, just missing one on Reel 4).

Stick to that kind of stuff. It's valuable and useful and TRUE.

The Slotbeater Strategy? Get rid of that. It's false and it has lies and mistruths scattering throughout it. And it is an extremely bad strategy for a player to use - they'd be better off never having read it.
 
I myself used your page to work out how close I came to 1mil Euro over the weekend (13:1 by the way :) - 4 Lara Scatters inside a Scatter Feature, just missing one on Reel 4).

Sorry for the derail but 4 scatters is actually 51 times more frequent than 5 scatters, so it was more like a 50:1 shot for one million :thumbsup:
 
Your strategy, as advertised...whether intentionally or unintentionally through ignorance (I'm now inclined to lean towards the latter)...


Nice choice of words there JHV in your first post back..:rolleyes:

What is wrong with the word mis-understanding or mis-conception? Surely you can choose better words in the pursuit of a better command of the English Language. Why stoop to the level of using words such as ignorance or ignorant?

Is English not your first language? If not, then maybe that explains your ignorance for your lack of gravitas in your rebuttal above!
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Nice choice of words there JHV in your first post back..:rolleyes:

What is wrong with the word mis-understanding or mis-conception? Surely you can choose better words in the pursuit of a better command of the English Language. Why stoop to the level of using words such as ignorance or ignorant?

Is English not your first language? If not, then maybe that explains your ignorance for your lack of gravitas in your rebuttal above!
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How come im missing Kakata and Lojo and several others right now, oooppps:oops: how forgetful, they were banned:confused:..............laurie
 
JHV, not sure you need any advice, but...REFRAIN, ok?:lolup::lolup::lolup:


Hat off to Meister.


Sapienti sat
 
Nice choice of words there JHV in your first post back..:rolleyes:

What is wrong with the word mis-understanding or mis-conception? Surely you can choose better words in the pursuit of a better command of the English Language. Why stoop to the level of using words such as ignorance or ignorant?

Is English not your first language? If not, then maybe that explains your ignorance for your lack of gravitas in your rebuttal above!
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C'mon Rob, let it go. You know the academic definition of ignorance. I believe he was using its literal meaning.
 
C'mon Rob, let it go. You know the academic definition of ignorance. I believe he was using its literal meaning.

You may well be right Bryan, but still don't you think he has belittled KK long enough here in multiple posts within this thread already. You have to admit that there is a snide essence in his disparaging remarks.
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I'm catching up working my way through this thread guys so apologies if I've posted what other people have already adequately explained.

DiamondGeezer summed up my point on the matter perfectly, but in a more diplomatic style. Look, until reading this thread I had no reason to believe that KK was actually this bad at mathematics (absolutely nothing wrong with that - I suck at Physics in ways no human being should suck at Physics). Because of this, and also due to my cynical nature (which, frankly, puts me on the front foot more often than not), I was certain that KK was intentionally promoting a flawed strategy to increase his affiliate revenue - and I think I was trying hard not to directly accuse him of that, but I was definitely hinting at it.

I was wrong to assume that. Unless KK is being incredibly smart and cheeky and brilliantly faking misunderstanding, it's quite clear he had no malicious intent with his flawed strategy. However, my pointing out of his strategy has being flawed should not have been met with the vicious and nonsensical vitriol that it was (I'm looking directly at you lauriejim). And not only do I have a right to point out basic flaws in "strategies" being advertised by affiliates, I believe I (and we all) have a responsibility to do so - to assist those who spent their youth having fun instead of being a workaholic geek like myself, etc.

So I was wrong to automatically assume KK was maliciously trying to cheat his players with a flawed strategy. I apologise for that. However, I copped a lot of very unintelligent and uncalled for and unprovoked insults and attacks for posts where I was fairly calm and cordial. But let's move on...

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Isn't Enzo close to the ideal example of what a casino rep on this site should aspire to? I mean, he's active all over the place - he's highly intelligent - not once wrong (not that I have seen yet anyway) - and despite having a vested interest in *not* educating players due to his involvement with 3Dice, he goes out of his way to educate them, *potentially* at his own expense.

If there was a Casino Rep Award of some kind - stop the vote-counts. We have a clear winner. In an ideal world, I would love to see every Casino Rep behave in this manner.

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Laurie's Logic to gambling

(A)Put your money in

(B)Pick your game

(C) Cross your fingers

(D) Hope like hell you hit a decent run from the start.

If (D) should fail, repeat steps (A) (B) and (C) over and over again till you get it thru your head that there is no real formula to gambling , except cashing out while your ahead of the casino and thats if you get real lucky:D..................laurie

No lauriejim. That's ridiculous. There is a formula to everything. Where there are unknown variables or probabilities, even these can be assigned ranges and worked into the formula. You'll just have confidence intervals.

Life is a whole string of formulas and maths and probabilities and odds. Maths are in all aspects of everything you do in life. There are inherent risks in almost everything you do (even mundane things like crossing the road or going down to the shops). There are inherent rewards also. You weigh up the risks vs the rewards (if you so wish) to make the best decisions in a world of uncertainty based on the information you have available to you.

Your post is fine until you get to the last paragraph. No one in the world with an IQ of 110 says something so ridiculous. Let alone an IQ of 134 as you claim you possess. Either you were trolling viciously earlier in this thread or you were leveling me or you are living in fantasy.

The fact that this was the reaction to your post makes me want to set up a casino STAT! An ethical casino, of course! ;)

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Really good to see an initially unpleasant and accusatory thread turned into a truly informative and deeply interesting discussion - thanks to the mature and courteous approach of all concerned.

I think you're being unfair here jetset. You and others were part of the reason the thread became unpleasant and accusatory. You, in particular, came out swinging attacks and accusations at me when I had not done anything to provoke those attacks from you. I remained remarkably civil for a very long time.

I'm not going to let you off the hook that easy - or let that cheap shot just slide by. You can read this thread from my initial post and it's very obvious who the instigators of the "unpleasantness" were.

I too am in favor of reinstating OP as a member of this forum based on the content of his posts. Maybe from now on, OP will try to get his point across without being so offensive. He should learn from Enzo who has the ability to tell you to your face that you're totally full of shit without offending you :p Seriously, i've met very few math geniuses with the ability to convey complex theories with humility and patience.

Thank you bryand. I only believe I started biting back around page 4 or 5 when it was becoming increasingly clear that no one was interested in actually discussing the issue at hand. And the issue is not 'complex' in any way. Even Enzo said it's literally like grade school (paraphrasing) mathematics.

I'm not a maths teacher. The fact that I had to explain mathematics that teenagers master with a yawn was frustrating, yes - I don't have Enzo's patience or ability to be polite in the face of seemingly insurmountable ignorance. And, to be fair, I was clearly prepared to take more of an instructional approach to the issue until the unprovoked attacks came one after another from the same old crew who, if I owned a casino, I would be extremely cordial and pleasant and friendly towards. :rolleyes:
 
Hey everyone, let's not start pointing fingers and regress back to the sling fest that this thread started off as.

I think what has needed be said has been said. I don't want to start splitting threads again - so this one is closed.

If you've like to carry on another conversation about strategies or probability, there is plenty of room for that. Personal issues need to be left to emails and PMs. And check your egos at the door. Thanks!
 
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