kaave.com has plainly threatened a member .here is the mail

[Casinomeister]

So he's accused of being an undesirable player - I recommended that the casino ought to at least refund his deposits.

You probably don't know the Turkish market and how abusive are Turkish players regarding the dialogue and the credit card fraud and cheating etc. We know what we are doing. If we do refund his money, he will open an another one and we can not let him do that, as we are loosing money on both ways at credit card processing and refunding.

And about the backgammon...

....Actually this member is posting information on your forums how to illegally do fraud and charge back your credit card purchases that you actually lost on the casino. It is not a good and legit information that should stay in your forum, none of the banks and casinos would like to read this on your web site.

Turkish people don't even read your forum and that's why it is not a concern for us but as it is in English and others do and the companies may even does.

There may not be that many Turks here, but Casinomeister had 485 unique visitors from Turkey in April. That's somethin'.

Anyway to the player: not much you can do but "roll with the punches."

In other words, take it like a man and move on - not much that can be done about it here.

And be nice to your fellow players. Remember "what comes around - goes around." In other words, what you do to others will evidentually happen to you.

And to Kaave.com, welcome to Casinomeisterland
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

 

[paul02085]

I guess it boils down to who can out con each other. Nice bunch.

 

[dreamtheatre]

facts

first of all i would like to be aware of this message when you recieved it, not several days after. from this approach of yours i sense that you took everthing written there as actual facts.

now my side of the story. unlike you i will reveal all the names.

Coming to the player Mr. White on your forum[/B] : that must be aysegul member name oguzhan_. but i am not a he. i am a girl.

His actual name is Mr. Blue and his previous account (former Mr. Green) has been closed because he used to abuse all the players in the rooms and also our customer service representatives. : my name is aysegul not a mr. the mr mentioned is my boyfriend ilker. the third name is fabricated. there is just two of us involved.while becoming a member in this forum you had asked information about myself,favourite films ,songs etc. there i wrote : me and my boyfriend ilker like online gambling. ilker NEVER abused other players but he used harsh words to customer represantatives. that is right. and these words were used in the mails that were sent to them.and the story of his account being closed is exactly as follows: he lost 2000 at five card draw one day. his opponents made very very lucky draws. he sent a mail to destek@kaave.com as follows: .

"i do not believe that the cards arent dealed randomly at this site .please cancel my membership." he asked to CANCEL his membership and his membership was cancelled . but with a major difference. the message did not say : "your membership was cancelled because you asked it". it said"your membership was cancelled because of inappropriate behaviour." He never abused other players . of course he might have retailated if his opponent uses harsh words.
as for tree names white,blue ,green there is two of us me and ilker the third name is fabricated

He swears a lot and also creates a lot of problems in the tables. He never swears . at one time his opponet told thim he would cut his throat. i was watching the game. he did not even swear at him.he just said lets pick a place to meet.

His account used to be closed temporarily many times. true his account was closed many times because he asked kaave to close it. everytime he lost he decided not to play again. sent a mail to kaave.com to cancel his membership .and they did. after a few days he changed his mind sent another mail to reactivate his account . and kaave reactivated his account AT ONCE. they saw no harm to reactivate the account of this very dangerous man.this cycle happened at least 10-15 times

And a month ago we closed his account permanently. i told the real story about this at the beginning of this tread.

So some time after, he opened an another account under a different name but from our system we did understand that this account is actually his account.
that is my account. i am perfectly entitled yo open an account. i am over 18 and i like online gambling there is no rule against that. actually i used to play a lot while his account was active.

(As a matter of fact he already told that he was Mr. Green in the chat rooms to his former buddies in the system). That's is why we closed his account as this player is trouble and we no longer want him in our system.

i never said that i was ilker . i said i knew ilker. and that is a fact. i know him very well.

The first time we closed his account we sent his money back but as he is forbidden to open a second account, (it is our corporate policy not to encourage second accounts as all the gaming web sites do) we didn't refund his remaining balance in the second time. It took 2 days to discover that Mr. White was actually the former bad guy Mr. Green.

they never before closed İlker's account. each time he had it cancelled by sending a mail..as for the we sent his money back the first time here is the story:

that day ilker had 1100 in his account. he lost 1000. he had 100 left .he was angry again. (but very important detail when he loses he NEVER tells bad things to his opponents . he is always angry with the site) . he requested to withdraw the remaning 100 and he sent one of his usual mails to kaave.com. please cancel my account if it will not prevent me from recieving the last 100 i have requested to withdraw. they said we will cancel your account after you recieve your money. but later this last hundred did not arrive. so ilker sent mails saying that he would write to forums, to kahnawake etc. losing money while gambling and having your money stolen are different things. you lose 5000 get angry and forget about it a few days later but if 10 dollars are stolen you can not stand it. then a few days later he tried to login. and he did!!! he sent a mail "why did you reactivate my account i did not ask to?" they answered "so that you can withdraw the 100 " (i wonder if it were 1000 would they do the same thing. ) instead of withdrawing he played with the 100. he sent a mail "can i keep on playing" they said yes and that was at least 7 months ago.

 

[chuchu59]

We are hearing stories from both sides and I cannot come to a conclusion yet but one thing is certain and that is that dreamtheatre should ask her boyfriend to control his emotions. The life threats ie throat cutting are well over the top and you should ask him not to respond instead of hitting back. Dont let this deteriorate further. And yes, it may not be such a good idea to use your real names. You just never know what will happen.

 

[Pinababy69]

Trying to fool people into thinking you are someone that you are not. That my friend is an example of a cheat.

johndes About you: just a player
IP 81.129.157.63

Kaave.com manager's emails (from my correspondence)
IP 81.129.157.63

An exact match.

So who is being mislead or cheated here?

Priceless Bryan. You have such a way of telling a story, lol.

 

[soflat]

first of all i would like to be aware of this message when you recieved it, not several days after. from this approach of yours i sense that you took everthing written there as actual facts.

That is not really fair. It seems like CM put some time into this and tried to help resolve it, but the casino is sticking to its story and refusing to pay.

If the casino won't pay, they won't pay. At least they are listed in the Rogue section now, and potential players will be warned.

By the way, I believe your end of the story.

 

[Webzcas]

And to Kaave.com, welcome to Casinomeisterland
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/

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[dreamtheatre]

found something interesting

taken from www.pokerroomreview.com

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Online Poker Alert
Kaave.com Alert 04/26/2006 04:34 PM
There have been multiple complaints made regarding Turkish Casino and Poker Room Kaave.com for accounts being blocked and money seized with no explanation, as well as unauthorized withdrawals from players credit cards. Additionally, Kaave.com claims to be a member of the Kahnawake Gaming Commission, but Kahnawake has confirmed this room does not a gaming license with their organization.

 

[dreamtheatre]

this very nice and kind(literally it is a very kind and polite mail full of lies)mail was sent by kaave.com to my dangerous!!,swearing!! and problem boyfriend whom they did not want in their site as a player. he was inquiring about their legitimacy. i tried to translate some important paragraphs.

English is not my native language so this is not a perfect translation.

From: "Destek" <destek@kaave.com> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "ilker zorlu" <ilkerzorlu@yahoo.com>
CC: destek@kaave.com
Subject: Re: kaave.com hakkında
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:31:22 -0000

Merhabalar Ilker Bey, Hi Mr İlker

Oncelikle guzel ve olgun mailiniz icin sagolun. First of all thanks for your nice and mature mail

Boyle uzun bir maila cevap yazmak zor olucak ancak oncelikle guven diyecegiz.

Eger ellere mudahele eden bir program olsaydi, tam tersi dagilimlar rastlantisal olmaktan cikip bir pattern olusturucakti ve asil o zaman guvenli olmayan ve iyi analiz edilince yenilebilen bir sistem olusurdu. Oysa bizim butun taslar, zarlar ve kagitlarimiz ust duzey bir Random Number Generator (RNG) dedigimiz bir program sayesinde rastlantisal olarak yaratiliyorlar.

Herhalde boyle bir seyin yapilmasinin mantikli olmamasi icin en gecerli sebep bu olur.

Bu arada butun poker sitelerinden bir pattern olmasina gelince, bu istatistikde genel olarak anlatilan bir konudur. Ve esasinda cok basittir.
Yazi tura gelme ihtimali, %50 dir.
100 defa zar atilsa ve hepsi tura gelsede. 101 inci atilista yazi gelme ihtimali guclenmez yine %50 dir.
ANCAK 100.000 para atilsa esasinda yazi ve turalarin orani yaklasik %50 olan bir pattern sanirim gozukecektir. AMA asla bu bir kesinlik degildir, 100.000 para atilip da hepsi turada olabilir. EN onemlisi bir sonraki para atisi yine %50 ihtimaldir.
Bahsedilen kart dagilim olayida budur, evet daha onceden dagitilan kagitlardan bir pattern olusturup bir sonraki dagitimlari tahmin edilebilecegi dusunulebilir ama yinede bir sonraki dagilim her sey den bagimsizdir, bu sadece insani bir yanilsamadir.

Biz ciddi bir sekilde denetlenen bir firmayiz, resmi olarak lisansliyiz. Lisansimiz pokerroom, pokerstars vs gibi dunya devi sirketlerin isletildigi Kanada daki Kahnawake bolgesinden. We are a firm which is seriously audited and we are officially licensed. Our license is issued from the Kahnawake region in Canada which issues licences to world famous companies like pokerroom and pokerstars etc.

Biz bu bolgede isletilmeden once butun urunlerimizi ve RNG yi Gaming Associates a test ettirdik, ve kendilerinden onay verilince bu bolgede isletilmeye basladik. Zaten baska turlu lisans alamazdik.. Before operating in this region we had all our software and RNG tested by Gaming Associates.And after we had their approval we started functioning. OPtherwise we could not have had a license.

Ancak sirketimizin ic yazismalari, mudur isimlerinin gectigi bu tip sertifikasyonlari boyle bir sektorde uyelerimize gondermemizin mumkun degil. Bu sertifikasyonlar ISO gibi standart belgeler vermiyor, sadece lisans alacaginiz bolgeye bu sirketin urunleri temizdir ve guvenlidir diye yazi yaziyorlar.

Piyasada hic bir kumar lisansi olmayan ve hic bir yerden test edilmemis Turk sirketleri var, biz bunlardan biri degiliz. Hizmetimiz hic bir zaman aksamadi, hic bir zaman hack edilmedik, hic bir zaman guvenlik acigi vermedik, hesaplarimiz kapanmadi, hosting yeri degistirmedik, cunku tamamen kanuni profeyonel bir sirketiz ve denetleniyoruz, hic merak etmeyin. There are turkish online casino sites in the market which have no gambling license and which did not have their software checked at all. We are not one of these. Our services naver failed,we were never hacked,we had no security leaks, our accounts were not closed,we never changed our hosting places,because we are a completely legal professional company and dont worry we are being audited

Saygilarimizla
----- Original Message -----
From: ilker zorlu
To: destek@kaave.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:46 PM
Subject: kaave.com hakkında


İyi gnler

Benim ismim İlker Zorlu. Sitenize aliparlar ye adıyla yeyim.

Endstri mhendisiyim. Deniz kuvvetlerindeki grevimi takiben, şu an zel bir şirkette satış ve pazarlama şefi olarak grev yapmaktayım.

35 yaşındayım ve yaklaşık 17 seneden beri kumar oynamaktayım. casinolar aıkken casinolardada(akgn ve polat otellerinde) uzun zaman blackjack ve rulet oynadım.

Sitenize yaklaşık 16 aydır yeyim ve bu sre zarfında hesabımı değişik insanlar kullandığından (şu an ye olan hasan 8137,codi,depbluesea,muhatxx benim hesabımdan ok oyun oynadılar) tam olarak ne durumdayım bilmiyorum ama tahmini olarak benim şahsi olarak 16 ayda yaklaşık 8 bin dolar karım var. Sonuta sitenizde kar ettim bu durum (yani kumarda uzun sre zarfı ierisinde kar etmek)kumar oynayan bir insanın ok seyrek yaşayabileceği bir durumdur.
!
Ancak 100 bin dolar kazansamda benim aklımda hep bir şphe var. Sistem istediği zaman kazanıyorum istemediği zaman kaybediyorum diye.Arkadaşlar sitenizle ilgili sorular soruyorlar .rneğin paramızı derlermi diyorlar.Evet kesinlikle derler diyorum. Kredi kartlarımızla ilgili sahtekarlık yaparlarmı diyorlar kesinlikle yapmazlar diyorum. ama bu oyunlarda hile varmı dediklerinde kesinlikle yok diyemiyorum.nk sonuta buna emin değilim ve buna eminolmamızı sağlayan hi bir kanıt yok.Sonuta taşlarıda kağıtlarıda dağıtılırken grmyoruz ki.

Size ne kadar sama sapan mailler atsakta cevap yazıyorsunuz buna mteşekkiriz. ancak bizim mşterilerimiz bizim şirketin kalitesi ile ilgili bi soru sorduklarında buyrun diyoruz size bureu veritastan aldığımız iso belgesi yada almanyadan aldığımız zel kalite belgesi.siz neden bize ısrarla bu sitedeki oyunların tamamem rassal olduğuna dair bir belge veya bunları kontrol eden şyle şyle bir şirket var i! şte oradan aldığımız belge demiyorsunuz. Srekli bunu neden yapalım diyorsunuz? Yaparsınız demiyorum ama yapmak isteniz yapmanız iin bir sr sebep var. Hi bir kumarhane mşterilerinin ok fazla kaybetmesini veya daimi mşterilerinin uzun zaman kaybetmesini veya potansiyel mşterilerin daha ilk gnlerinde fazla kaybetmesini istemez .

Depbluesea (G. dağdeviren) benim ok yakın arkadaşım. Yıllardır aynı masada oyun oynarız ve o srekli kaybeder.Sitenize ye olduktan sonra ok kısa zamanda bir sr para kazandı. oynarken onu bir ka sefer izledim gelen taşlar aklımızı hayalimizi durdurdu. ona karşı oynayan bir rakip olsam monitr yerdim vallahi.(son gndr iş icabı ankaradayım son gn ne yaptı bilmiyorum)

Benim erkek kardeşim zer Zorlu Boğazii niversitesi Bilgisayar Mhendisliği mezunu ve SAP trkiyede ABAP yazılım programı uzmanı. Olduka iyi bir bilgisayar programcısı. sizin teknik aıdan mmkn değil dediğiniz maddeleri ona sordum kesin cevap vermedi ama mmkn olduğunu dşndğn syledi.

İnternet pokeri zerine bir ok makale okudum ve oğunda internetten oynanan pokerde bir sistem olduğu ve tamamen rassal olmadığı yazıyordu. party poker veya expekt gibi sitelerde bile bir pattern bulunduğu iddia ediliyordu.

Bizi ikna edecek, aklımızın rahat olmasını sağlayacak, şphelerimizi ortadan kaldıracak ve bylece sitenizin tanıtımını daha rahat yapabileceğimiz bir cevap gndermenizi rica ediyorum.

Saygılar

 

[Casinomeister]

How about another English adage? "You're beating a dead horse."

Sorry, but I think it's time to put this to rest. There is no reason to go on about this - really. I've invested enough time with this, and I refuse to invest more - you and your threads are sucking up resources that need to be directed towards more pressing issues like a pile of PABs that are staring at me.

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