Jackpot won at Partycasino (?)

eCOGRA have responded to this, advising they have drawn the attention of the parent group to this thread and will be enquiring further into it.

They have also pointed out that bwin.party is additionally governed by similarly strict European Gaming and Betting Association rules that state here:

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"1.16 Once the customer has selected the self-exclusion option, the account shall be locked and any funds in the account paid out, subject to appropriate and necessary checks and verifications."

I think this could get interesting....
 
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Just for clarity on the above - any self-exclusionary payout would be on the same basis and rate as that laid out in the T&Cs, so there will still apparently be no single big payment.
 
Just for clarity on the above - any self-exclusionary payout would be on the same basis and rate as that laid out in the T&Cs, so there will still apparently be no single big payment.

This still kicks in only if the player initiates one of the self exclusion options. The story here seems to be that the player does not recognise they have a problem holding on to this win, so presumably have not initiated such a procedure.

It's a shame, because if they had, they could have locked into a 4 year payment plan giving them 25K per month, and time to adjust to being so wealthy.

Beneath this though, there is provision for a third party once "properly identified" to ask for a player to be excluded for their own good. In this case, an application from this player's parents could save the day if it is not already too late.

The only part of this story that falls foul of these standards is the allegation that the VIP team actively induced the player to play back his winnings by offering the "carrot" of up to $100K per month if play was sufficient to raise them to Platinum loyalty level. They also gave him access to a VIP slot with a 2K per spin bet.

Those standards seem to require the opposite, and my understanding is that a player who wins such an amount should receive "councelling" about their approach to gambling responsibly, rather than "marketing" to induce them to play at a much higher level consistent with their new found wealth.

The problem is that I bet much of this is "off the record", done over the phone between casino host and player. There have been numerous tales of rogue casinos offering deals over the phone, and then denying all knowledge and responsibility of such promises when a player beats such a deal and wins.

Perhaps the standards need to be changed so that the onus is on the CASINO to contact a player who wins such a large sum, and ask if they would like their account locked until such time as the win can be paid in full. It is likely that more players will end up being protected from losing back such a big win than in the current system, where the player has to make first contact after recognising that they may be tempted to play back their win. This is particularly important where such wins are paid by mid to long term installment plans, with the remainder just sitting in the playable balance at the casino.

eCogra could go even further, and outlaw installment plans completely. It would mean casinos would have to have sufficient funding to pay the biggest jackpots they offer in one go, rather than having to rely on future income, and the player having to hope the casino doesn't go bust during the installment plan. A lesser protection would be to require installment plans to be independently insured, so that even if the casino later goes out of business, a winning player still gets paid.
 
I would recommend that the player open an account in the forum ASAP and submit a PAB. As soon as this is done we can contact the casino and find out what has happened.

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Is this your friend??

This is the only thing I could find about a million dollar jackpot won at Party Casino.

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That's another thing, when exactly did your friend win this jackpot? Was it a progressive or a windfall win? If so, which game was played? Please excuse my oversight in case this was mentioned and I missed this information.

If you could do this today, I would really appreciate it. People go on holidays and I want to take care of this now.
 
I'll be watching for this and will process it as soon as it comes in.
 
Then why claim in your original post that you were in Hamburg, Germany?

You're a 31-year-old student in Amsterdam now, you claim, but you are only admitting that after you were busted by Simmo on your IP address.

I know these stories often end up being at least partially false and people get caught through this type of inconsistency, but in this case the guy didn't actually say he was in Hamburg, he said he is from Hamburg.

It's quite possible for someone from Hamburg to be in Amsterdam ;)

Also he mentioned being from Hamburg to explain his bad English, not as a way of saying where he's located, he only had to mention his location since the IP address issue was brought up. Of course it may not be true, but I don't see an inconsistency in what he's said there.

theriver said:
sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany - Hamburg


theriver said:
We are students staying separete in amsterdam
 
We can split hairs on this indefinitely - let's wait and see how this story really stands up under closer scrutiny.
 
Does the OP need some help finding his way? If so please check my sig, all the pertinent Pitch-A-Bitch links are there.
 
Sorry for the late response guys. The rest of the money is safe now and my friend can't have access to it.

I told him about this topic I have made, he isn't very happy with it.

If he wants to through this in public and make a case of it he wants to be sure he can get a part of his money back.
I don't think that ever will be the case because it is his own fault but the casino could have done something about.
But i don't think he will make any change in court or something right?

For now it is important for him to lock up the money, maybe I can convince him afterwards to post the evidence here.
There a dozen of mails between casino and play about the 'deal' to play for points. Also he mailed them several times about his losses.
None of them replies from them suggests to take a break or self exclude him.

The manager who told him 'my job is to keep you playing' was a convo over the phone.
 
Sorry for the late response guys. The rest of the money is safe now and my friend can't have access to it.

I told him about this topic I have made, he isn't very happy with it.

If he wants to through this in public and make a case of it he wants to be sure he can get a part of his money back.
I don't think that ever will be the case because it is his own fault but the casino could have done something about.
But i don't think he will make any change in court or something right?

For now it is important for him to lock up the money, maybe I can convince him afterwards to post the evidence here.
There a dozen of mails between casino and play about the 'deal' to play for points. Also he mailed them several times about his losses.
None of them replies from them suggests to take a break or self exclude him.

The manager who told him 'my job is to keep you playing' was a convo over the phone.


Money is safe, so the immediate danger is over. At least preserve all this evidence even if now your friend doesn't want to make a case of it. Should he change is mind later, the evidence will still be there. It doesn't matter that the statement by the VIP manager was "off the record" over the phone, the email evidence will show whether the casino was handling this properly.

Your friend may be unhappy now, but hopefully he will come to realise that he could well have ended up with NOTHING had you not intervened and put the remaining money out of his reach.

He may not get any money back with a court case, but this matter COULD be used to tighten up the regulatory regime, as the suggestion is that something has gone terribly wrong, with the casino focussing on using the installment rule as a means to get players to lose big wins back to the casino, rather than using it CORRECTLY to manage the variances of cashflow.
 
For those wondering if there was a recent million dollar win at Party Casino, their Gold Mega jackpot was won for 942,659.72 on September 21.

They have a webpage linked from the software that lists current jackpots and recent wins. I copied this data from it:

Jackpot Name: Gold Mega Jackpot
Current Value: $1,243,262.55 USD
Minimum Qualifying Bet: $0.01 USD
Jackpot Games: [SuperFortuneWheel, SuperJoker, SuperStar, SuperMystic, MegaFortuneWheel, GodFather, thesting]
Last Jackpot Win: $942,659.72 USD
Last Win Date: 09/21/2011 04:06 ET
 
Another problem he may have.

Try explaining where that income is coming from to the finanzamt (German tax office). Online gambling is illegal in Germany. Illegal to offer it (unless you are a state monopoly), and illegal to play. Games of luck are free of income tax - but the actual playing is illegal. The lotto is very popular in Germany but is under the State Monopoly and taxed.

Poker counts as a game of luck. But for example blackjack is strictly banned. I don't know about slots etc. Would expect that they fall into the latter.

Partycasino / partypoker etc have been specifically targetted, and have had appeals turned down to operate in Germany. They are appealing (unsuccessfully I belive) to challenge the decision in the european court. There are of course many germans playing (black-market), I just think this kind of regular income or €1m in cash is bound to attract unwanted attention too.

The blackmarket status means though - no german regulator to report them to.
 

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