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jackpot what jackpot

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by judgenico, Apr 2, 2017.

    Apr 2, 2017
  1. judgenico

    judgenico Experienced Member MM

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    ok so theres a trade description act for advertising false statements about services provided and i think some slot providers should be pulled up for it.when you first load up a slot it often boasts about how many coins you can possibly win but im pretty sure that on some slots this never happens and if it does and say the chances are say 1 in 10 billion do you think thats acceptable or just damn right misleading.im interested to no from you guys which slots you think this impossible jackpot applies to
     
  2. Apr 2, 2017
  3. Valhalla

    Valhalla The Professional MM

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    None. All jackpots are indeed possible.

    I've seen players win £3650 from a 30 pence bet on Immortal Romance.
    I've seen a player win millions from a 50 pence bet on Mega Moolah.

    Just because the jackpot is HIGHLY unlikely, doesn't mean it isn't possible, nor should games developers be reprimanded for false advertising. Besides, casinos and developers absolutely love when jackpots are won, so why make them impossible?
     
  4. Apr 2, 2017
  5. McMaNGOS

    McMaNGOS #1 Great Blue Shill PABnononaccred PABaccred

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    The term usually refers to the maximum possible win in a single spin (sometimes displayed based on current bet size, sometimes based on max bet), and I do agree that it can be misleading at times, given the probability of such a spin actually occurring. I wouldn't call it false advertising, though, as it is still possible to achieve, even though chances are slim. I've seen a couple of these "jackpot" hits here and there (5-reel Wild Desires and similar wins), and I've personally achieved a full screen of wilds on Jurassic Park, so it's far from impossible for these wins to happen.

    I believe Microgaming is the biggest culprit of what you're describing, often boasting at the top of almost every slot "Win up to xxx $/€/£!", with no information about how such a payout can be achieved, and at what bet size. I swear I see different amounts displayed at different casinos as well, even when playing at the same bet size, so some consistency/information in regards to that would be appreciated.
     
  6. Apr 3, 2017
  7. goatwack

    goatwack Denny, two is great, but three is a crowd CAG

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    It is indeed possible to win mega jackpots on games like Mega Moolah etc, provided you're Scandinavian, are a single mother with four kids and work p/t in Liddls.

    It's an inherent genetic trait, it's also known that you can blindfold any random Scandinavian person and give them a set of numbers and they will by default pick out the winning Lottery numbers, so it is said :eek:
     
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  8. Apr 3, 2017
  9. RichyJ75

    RichyJ75 Silly Member PABnonaccred

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    As Goatwack says, most jackpots are won by Scandinavians. Also, I note you are from Norfolk so therefore you have Norfolk 'n chance of winning! (sorry, bad sense of humour!)

    Playing slots for jackpot wins are a load better than playing the Lotto for a jackpot win and are probably the same odds as well, but no-one will reprimand the big Lotto companies, purely because it is possible to win. End of the day, coupled with the enjoyment factor (some of the time!) of playing slots, you are also buying into the dream that you could win some big money. Unfortunately we cannot all be winners, so more of a wealth distribution with the single mum of 3, Lidl worker sat on the loo playing slots on her mobile phone being the main beneficiary!
     
  10. Apr 3, 2017
  11. Deeplay

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    Not that it would be that high but even if it was its not false advertising its just that the changes of winning a JP are very very remote. Take the Euro millions they say every week you can win life changing money
    you can be a multi millionaire but the odds of winning the jackpot are 1 in 139,838,160 basically giving us ZERO chance of winning or near on zero, but its still not false advertizing just very very very long odds.
    So nope I dont think any should be pulled at all, as they are not doing anything wrong ...........

    Apart from one exception :

    I remember seeing adverts for Twin spin saying win a million .... (it was from an affiliate I think ) impossible to win so this was false and it was pulled. But this was not the slot provider or casino (i think)

    apart from that all slots have a possible jack pot win.
     
  12. Apr 3, 2017
  13. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    As others have said. Which I agree with, every slot that has a max win can be won, And slots that advertise the amount *upto* like the MG ones do can not advertise it if it can not be won.

    The thing is with higher variance slots is the chances of hitting them are for lower, as others have said, I am not sure what the odds would be though. But I would guess its in the hundreds of thousands, not sure if it is in the million odd range.

    And say for example you play some of those baracrest slots, that have a max jackpot win of 500X. Obviously those can be won more easily too.

    I have actually saw screenshots of full screens on the MG slots, Immortal Romance, Thunderstruck II, And I also saw a video on youtube a few days ago of a full screen of wilds on the running wild feature on Jurassic Park slot.

    So it can happen.

    And as for progressives, obviously the bigger ones on MG slots are going to be very very hard to win. the mega only gets won on average once or twice a year.

    But smaller progressives get won more often on other slot providers.

    Like for example I thought that I would never win a progressive in my lifetime, and I did. in January this year.

    Screenshot below:

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    I did also post this in the progressive thread the other day.

    But they can be won. :)
     
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  14. Apr 3, 2017
  15. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    And a follow up to my previous post.

    I mentioned i saw a full screen of wilds on the running wild feature on Jurassic Park, Well here is the video, it isn't mine obviously.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  16. Apr 3, 2017
  17. judgenico

    judgenico Experienced Member MM

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    yes totally agree with your microgaming statement
     
  18. Apr 3, 2017
  19. judgenico

    judgenico Experienced Member MM

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    thanks for your response guys i think i agree with all statements its just that as being an avid viewer of our very own screenshot thread and yes i too have seen the screenies of immortle romance thunderstruck 2 and jurassic park jackpot wins but there are still plenty of other slots out there we havn,t seen any evidence of jackpot wins and knowing how many of us out there are pounding these slots and how many thousands of spins that must be it does make me wonder what ever the odds that must be and it must be immense on hitting these max wins,dont you all think it would be fair that the slot provider should state these odds in the paytable,a nice list of the probability of all wins would be great i no id like to see it,after all i no that if i walk into my local casino i can pick up a leaflet that states all odds of all hits at any card game or table games why not slots or do they just not want us to know
     
  20. Apr 3, 2017
  21. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    There are two different issues here i think:

    1. Where companies such as Microgaming say: WIN UP TO 275,000 COINS - yet to do so would mean you would have to get the maximum win on every single spin in the free games. This may be theoretically possible, but will never happen before the earth gets eaten up by the sun|
    2. Jackpots - i.e MegaJackpots. These have a much higher chance of being won than the one in 1. because whilst the chance is very low, we as players know they are won.

    For me, 1. is misleading whereas 2. is not...
     
  22. Apr 3, 2017
  23. judgenico

    judgenico Experienced Member MM

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    100%:thumbsup:
     
  24. Apr 3, 2017
  25. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    I think sadly, the use of the phrase UP TO is a cover-all in this circumstance, but i still hate it....
     
  26. Apr 3, 2017
  27. 09237653

    09237653 Meister Member

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    "Win up to" on mg usually refers to the largest possible win that can land in a single spin if playing at maximum stake which is usually around £150-300 a spin, on terminator 2 for example the "win up to" is £444000.00 (@ £150 a spin) on but on one coin (@ 30p a spin) its £888.
     
  28. Apr 4, 2017
  29. judgenico

    judgenico Experienced Member MM

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    ok take terminator 2 as an example just playing on whatever stake, are you aware of anyone hitting the max payout per stake played im sure ive not seen it, sure not everyone posts screenies on a forum but it would be nice to no its achievable
     
  30. Apr 4, 2017
  31. 09237653

    09237653 Meister Member

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    Terminator 2 is an extreme example to work out because you'd need to map the reels on hot-mode with regular symbols, wilds and t-1000s all coming into play . I tried working out lost vegas but that fast became just as complicated due to how the features work.

    Leagues of fortune is max £25 a spin. max payout according to paytable is £375000.00
    Five wilds is (£75) x 1024 ways (£76800.00) x5 free spin multiplier = £384000.00 (a perfect spin)

    Still 9 grand out (for some reason they only went with 1000 ways) but you get the idea. Max payouts are possible just really unlikely, probably multiple billions to one on some slots (such as this one)
     
  32. Apr 4, 2017
  33. judgenico

    judgenico Experienced Member MM

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    thats what i thought no chance of providers putting a list of odds/1 for those games then :p
     
  34. Apr 5, 2017
  35. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    I agree with this too.

    Example that over rated joke of a slot most casinos advertise all the time is Starburst, I have never ever seen a full screen of bars ever. there is usually just 2 spots missing when i saw win screenshots on that slot. And even getting the full screen of bars doesn't even pay that much either. it would only be 500X bet too. It is crazy that even low paying slots like this pile of rubbish still u cant win the maximum win ever on it lol.

    So unless someone has a screenshot of the full screen of bars on starburst to prove me wrong then what i say stands, but even if one person does show a screenshot doesn't really mean it is actually doable like many other slots like the barcrest slots that have 500X as max win, at least with those slots you can actually win it often enough.

    It actually proves a point that net ent is very stingy in the way they made the RNG work.
     

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