Misc Correction Jackpot Capital - Lucky Club

[bigjohn]

As a fairly new member of CM, and a firm believer in their mission, I am trying to stay true to the accredited list.

Is there any reason Lucky Club, part of the Jackpot Capital group, are not accredited?

I believe they should be unless there is some specific problem I am not aware of although I find that highly unlikely as I have always found the Jackpot Capital operations to be first class.



If this is in the wrong section please move it where appropriate.

 

[dionysus]

I was just under the impression they were'y overly inclined to be; theyve always paid me

 

[Tirilej]

They were about to get accredited, but got questioned because they had been sold by Jackpot Capital.
I suppose they could be anyway since they still share support and marketing but maybe the new owners havn't asked to get on the accredited list.
I don't know. It's a little strange and it has been discussed many times before. Never seems to remember what Bryans response is when it's asked though

 

[maphesto]

They were about to get accredited, but got questioned because they had been sold by Jackpot Capital.
I suppose they could be anyway since they still share support and marketing but maybe the new owners havn't asked to get on the accredited list.
I don't know. It's a little strange and it has been discussed many times before. Never seems to remember what Bryans response is when it's asked though

You do this on purpose I think, you know I have to answer.

Bryan said something about that they had to decide which casino group they belong to, Intertops or Jackpot Capital.

 

[Tirilej]

Intertops or Jackpot Capital

I had no idea that you even have heard about those casinos before

 

[bigjohn]

You do this on purpose I think, you know I have to answer.

Bryan said something about that they had to decide which casino group they belong to, Intertops or Jackpot Capital.

Seeing how Intertops is also accredited here I am very comfortable with Lucky Club but I sure would like to see them with their own individual accolade.

 

[maphesto]

Seeing how Intertops is also accredited here I am very comfortable with Lucky Club but I sure would like to see them with their own individual accolade.

I don't even know where they are licenced? Do they have a licence at all?

 

[Tirilej]

I don't even know where they are licenced? Do they have a licence at all?

Probably not! If they had one there would be no reason to hide it.
I think they are just resting on JC's shoulder. They are taking care of support(payments) for them, so they maybe don't think they need one.
I would not play in a casino if I can't find any information about them. Maybe I have become too careful but that's me. I wasn't like that when I started playing.

 

[bigjohn]

I checked a few review sites and their license jurisdiction seems to be Curacao but I can't find that on their homepage. Called a weak jurisdiction but many accredited US facing are licensed there. They all seem to list Jackpot Capital as the owner also.

I know when i signed up they were able to cross-verify me with JPC.

I'm going to browse the archives here to see what, if anything, Bryan has said about them.

 

[maphesto]

Read here about the "lost" accreditation:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/lucky-club-baptism-by-fire.46859/

Well then "sister" is probably a bad term to use. Since it's never been really defined anywhere else, I'm not sure I want to take the burden on christening the term "sister" with my own definition.

But here goes: "Sister Casino" to me means a casino managed and owned by the same group - as Diana illustrated CWC has Aladdins, High Noon, Buzzluck, etc.

Actually, I was unaware of any earlier statement made by JC that they had sold Lucky Club. Seems rather silly to me. I was under the impression that it was a casino falling under Jackpot Capital's wing. So since there seems to be some confusion on everyone's part on how they want to be listed - I'm postponing any baptism until they decide how they want us (players and webmasters) to classify this casino.

Is it part of the JC group? Is it part of Intertops? Or is it a separate entity? Make a choice.

 

[bigjohn]

Read here about the "lost" accreditation:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/lucky-club-baptism-by-fire.46859/

Well, I just read that whole thread and the conclusion is....?

Seven months since last post, no final word from Bryan. I gotta say that thread left more questions than answers.

I guess I will have to assume Lucky Club are not 'good to go' and I will refrain from further deposits there.

Note to the Jackpot Capital Rep. (Jasmeen?), if and when you see this thread it would be nice if you could answer two questions for me;
1, Is Lucky Club licensed, and if so, where?
2, Is Jackpot Capital going to assume responsibility if there are any monetary problems with Lucky Club, and if not, who?

These are very simple questions and any reply should be clearly stated. The Lucky Club website contains no information of this type.

 

[dionysus]

Well, I just read that whole thread and the conclusion is....?

Seven months since last post, no final word from Bryan. I gotta say that thread left more questions than answers.

I guess I will have to assume Lucky Club are not 'good to go' and I will refrain from further deposits there.

Note to the Jackpot Capital Rep. (Jasmeen?), if and when you see this thread it would be nice if you could answer two questions for me;
1, Is Lucky Club licensed, and if so, where?
2, Is Jackpot Capital going to assume responsibility if there are any monetary problems with Lucky Club, and if not, who?

These are very simple questions and any reply should be clearly stated. The Lucky Club website contains no information of this type.

why? CM is a barometer for where to play, not law..if they pay you and you like the software, continue playing

 

[bigjohn]

why? CM is a barometer for where to play, not law..if they pay you and you like the software, continue playing

When I became a member here I decided to accept the CM philosophy wholly. If there is some reason why CM has not given an establishment the green light there must be a reason for that.

Yes, I do like their games and yes they have paid me, up to around $400, and fast I might add.

My fear is always what happens if I ever hit the BIG one. I have played online for almost 20 years and have never hit a real big one but I would hate to hit it and have problems and there be no one who could help me or even know who to go after.

I'm not as trusting as I once was.

Getting accreditation here, or at least a 'good to go' means a lot to me now. I can always go to Buzzluck with my hat in my hand and try to re-establish a good relationship with that group if I feel the need for NuWorks games.

 

[dionysus]

When I became a member here I decided to accept the CM philosophy wholly. If there is some reason why CM has not given an establishment the green light there must be a reason for that.

Yes, I do like their games and yes they have paid me, up to around $400, and fast I might add.

My fear is always what happens if I ever hit the BIG one. I have played online for almost 20 years and have never hit a real big one but I would hate to hit it and have problems and there be no one who could help me or even know who to go after.

I'm not as trusting as I once was.

Getting accreditation here, or at least a 'good to go' means a lot to me now. I can always go to Buzzluck with my hat in my hand and try to re-establish a good relationship with that group if I feel the need for NuWorks games.

Up to you.
Some casinos just arent interested in being accredited; that doesn't mean they're necessarily bad casinos, they just aren't interested in following the schedule and standards as laid out by someone else.
Two examples come to mind.
Redbet..while they wanted accreditation, they were still solid long before they got the green light here and people still liked the casino before they were 'approved'
GoWild..they pay me, every time, no grief, they just don't care to be accredited, they still post and operate just fine

 

[bigjohn]

Before the two examples you gave were accredited did you know, or was it conspicuously displayed, if and where they were licensed? Did you know who would ultimately be responsible for any monetary problems that might arise?

I never said LC were bad but for me those questions are important.

 

[dionysus]

lol, at the end of the day, who IS even accountable? I mean, you're American for one.
When did these questions become important to you? You've said they've always paid you.
Following the accredited list is great. But so's using common sense and your own good judgment.
As I said, always up to you where you play.

 

[maphesto]

lol, at the end of the day, who IS even accountable? I mean, you're American for one.
When did these questions become important to you? You've said they've always paid you.
Following the accredited list is great. But so's using common sense and your own good judgment.

Even for Americans it has to be important if a casino is licenced or not. Another casino, Liberty Slots, have been placed in the rogue section of CM because they have a secret licence. Lucky Club casino seem to be using same trick. They are probably using Jackpot Capital's licence, but we don't know.

To put money in a casino when you don't know these things seems very strange to me. If you have a dispute with Lucky Club casino, they don't even seem to have a licence to lose if they are robbing you (I don't call the house edge robbery btw ).

To be fair, I admit that members here know that they can contact their rep Yasmeen, and that they probably would act as good as Jackpot Capital when there is a dispute.

 

[bigjohn]

I mean, you're American for one.

Hey, was that a shot! Lol.

I understand what you are saying. I have probably read too many horror stories on these forums. I can honestly say never has any casino not paid me when I have won, and I played with almost every casino available to me at one time or another.

They all have paragraphs of terms and conditions that players must abide by, I have adopted one term and condition that they must abide by: 1) A minimum of at least a 'Good to Go' rating from this site.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Even for Americans it has to be important if a casino is licenced or not. Another casino, Liberty Slots, have been placed in the rogue section of CM because they have a secret licence. Lucky Club casino seem to be using same trick. They are probably using Jackpot Capital's licence, but we don't know.

To put money in a casino when you don't know these things seems very strange to me. If you have a dispute with Lucky Club casino, they don't even seem to have a licence to lose if they are robbing you (I don't call the house edge robbery btw ).

To be fair, I admit that members here know that they can contact their rep Yasmeen, and that they probably would act as good as Jackpot Capital when there is a dispute.

In which case, why not have them as a clear sister casino.

Even if they are licensed in Curacao, they are in breach of this license by failing to display the fact on their website. If they are using JC's license, why not just say so, just as any regular "white label" operation would.

The whole point of such secrecy is the ability to "do a runner" if things get tough. JC could deny all responsibility for players screwed over by any disappearing act by Lucky Club because, as they say, they only run support and payments for them as a contractor, and thus are not responsible for any debts owing from Lucky Club. It would be harder for JC itself to "do a runner" because they are not so well obscured, we know where they are licensed, and Bryan knows who runs them as part of the accreditation process.

The same is true of Liberty Slots. If things get tough, they can vanish overnight, and with no license, there is no-one to turn to for redress.

It is not unknown for even the best accredited casino to turn rogue in a short space of time. A change of ownership is often the trigger, but where all this is kept secret, how would players know that the Lucky Club or Liberty Slots they have had no problems with in the past has undergone a major change of ownership or management, which might bring about a sharp change in their business methods and ethics. A change of licensing jurisdiction is also an important factor to consider, but even this cannot be known with this pair.

What about Rushmore or Lock. Both became highly rated for a time, but then turned rogue, VERY rogue. At least Bryan had some high level contacts, but even this didn't help in the end, a change of philosophy meant that the owners were no longer prepared to play fair, particularly with their US players who had fewer choices of where to play.