Its simple

catrina m

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The easiest way for casinos to stay in buisness and not worry about payment options.

Don't let the players win.

Seems to be the case with me lately. I'll laugh (lol) but it's not really funny.

Can anyone say they are winning? Or watching thousands of screenshots that suck.
 

catrina m

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guess its just my luck.

played in rtg's and microgaming lately and my money went like shit through a goose.
 

metaxa

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its not just you. i have no luck anymore on any microgaming this year, last year was much better (incredible low slots payouts over 3 months now). RTG is still ok for me.
 

Gaahl

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Sorry if this seems a little harsh.. I like to gambol myself, but can you realy complain that you arent winning when you play for month up and month down? Slots have a HA of 5%, when you play as much as every month you pretty much take away all of the varriance (positive) and you are bound to loose wast sums of money...
 

mikepipe

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Yes. Its absolutely simple.
As a slotsplayer you need : patience, (much more than for 10 lousy sessions),
a fixed goal (so that you find the cashout button) and a relaxed mind (so taht you can enjoy the good ones and forget the others and DONT take them as a personal offense).
Simply?? :cool: :)
 

catrina m

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I spin 5 to 7 hours a day

plenty of patience, thats what the expert button and 500 spins are about.

The payouts, at least on my machine, are pitiful lately.

You spend 375 spins and get the feature and watch it miss every time.

Been spinning 3 years and the last few weeks have been watching take and no give.

Just thought I would see if anyone is having a similar experience.

Bad enough with the US restricting payouts but why worry if there is nothing to pay out.
 

vinylweatherman

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I spin 5 to 7 hours a day

plenty of patience, thats what the expert button and 500 spins are about.

The payouts, at least on my machine, are pitiful lately.

You spend 375 spins and get the feature and watch it miss every time.

Been spinning 3 years and the last few weeks have been watching take and no give.

Just thought I would see if anyone is having a similar experience.

Bad enough with the US restricting payouts but why worry if there is nothing to pay out.


One key to my success is the added value with promotions. These are not just bonuses, but tournaments. The Casino Action tournaments take up the whole day, both spinning for hours, and working out strategy against the latest scoreboard. At the end, prizes are awarded, and the WR can be completed at the next event. There is a lot of luck, as with slots in general, but the prize can often be enough to reverse a bad spell the next time the tournament comes along, and allow completion of the WR, something to cash-out, and another prize for the following event.
 

lojo

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I spin 5 to 7 hours a day

plenty of patience, thats what the expert button and 500 spins are about.

The payouts, at least on my machine, are pitiful lately.

You spend 375 spins and get the feature and watch it miss every time.

Been spinning 3 years and the last few weeks have been watching take and no give.

Just thought I would see if anyone is having a similar experience.

Bad enough with the US restricting payouts but why worry if there is nothing to pay out.

Wish I could play like that :)

Do you have money management strategies? I like to see how others make their money last and produce consistent wins over time. If you look at Simmo!'s signature I think there is a link to his strats on oggs.com, and KasinoKing has an admirable strategy, again linked on his siggy. There's no reason their strategies wouldn't work with larger denominations.

It can be a lot of fun to try different things, I know I've done every cockamamy thing that's creeped into my head to get an edge.

Good luck:thumbsup:
 

KasinoKing

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I have been on a bit of a winning streak - only for 5 years & 10 months... :rolleyes:
guess its just my luck.
played in rtg's and microgaming lately and my money went like shit through a goose.
You sound like you're playing way too much (5-7 hours a day :eek: ), if you feel this is a problem please do not ignore the signs and take action or seek outside help.

I personally would budget my RTG deposits if I were you. Their slots were changed about August time & now represent a water-fowl's rear end. I played my first RTG for 3 months this month (to see if they had got better) - and the slots just murdered me. :mad:

If you can't be lucky, be careful! :thumbsup:
 

catrina m

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I play extremely low and a few decent hits will keep you in for a while.

The RTG's are doing the most damage. No significant hits in a long time.

Think I'll stay away from those for a while. What got me into slots was thunderstruck. I was playing poker at intertops and lost down to 36cents, I stuck it in thunderstruck and and played 1c on 3 lines. Only 3c a spin. On my second spin I hit the rams and then it lined up the Thors. Gave me more than enough to play poker. It's hard to remember (been 3 years ago) but I think that 3c spin paid over $120.
 

EasyRhino

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KK, I just want to make it perfectly clear to myself, but your winning streak is made possible by casino bonuses, right? Not supernatural slot powers?

And catrina, I've done reading on card-counting, and there's a concept that applies to this discussion. I call it the "race for the long term". If you learn to count cards or something that gives you a small advantage, then you basically want to play as much as you can, as quickly as you can, in order to try to let the fluctuations even out, and have the small advantage reliably manifest yourself. Because in the short term ("short" means thousands of hands of blackjack) it's really just luck whether you win or lose.

Now, if you're playing multiple hours of slots every day, you're "racing to the long term" for slot play. That's so much play that there will be no way to escape the house's advantage. If you were to chart out your wins and losses on a graph over a couple years, you would see a slow steady decline, interrupted by positive and negative spikes, but still reverting back to a slow steady decline.

It does sound like you're in a losing streak right now, those are really crappy.
 

annoyed33

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I have had a winning streak for about two months but it has ended....seriously poor hands:eek:

So, I am giving a rest for a while- probably a couple of months....average down the latest losses and regain perspectives.:)

Interesting RTG comments...few seem to win thee....so WHY play there?

...or is it just bad timing?
 

mikepipe

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KK, I just want to make it perfectly clear to myself, but your winning streak is made possible by casino bonuses, right? Not supernatural slot powers?

Now, if you're playing multiple hours of slots every day, you're "racing to the long term" for slot play. That's so much play that there will be no way to escape the house's advantage. If you were to chart out your wins and losses on a graph over a couple years, you would see a slow steady decline, interrupted by positive and negative spikes, but still reverting back to a slow steady decline.

It does sound like you're in a losing streak right now, those are really crappy.


I think, catrina were lucky enough, if she could reduce her losses to the house edge - which means get approx. 95% back on MG.
 

lojo

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I guess I have just been lucky overall, because of course it is not possible to beat the house edge over time on slots. My winnings for 2006 are partially due to using bonuses (I didn't keep track of them, so I can only assume)

But there is the super secret strategy that the casinos don't want you to know about. It's called quitting when ahead. They fully count on me playing back through any winnings over and above my original bankroll. It's the nature of the gamble beast to chase, IMO.

I haven't actually charted it so my theory is anecdotal; If I pick a reasonable expectation, say 10% increase, and always quit then, I'll be able to survive a bust now and then and maintain a profit.

Conversely, if I'm willing to spend my bankroll each time and always bet large with any amount over my throughput, I'll eventually hit a large enough return to maintain a profit. To illustrate; two buckets of coins - bankroll in one and throughput in the other - mostly lowrolling with the bankroll, and randomly doing 'big bets' with the throughput bucket.

And then the mixture of those two things, randomly applied.

Unless I was just lucky because I played sporadically, or I got the 'leg-up' because of manipulating the EV with bonuses - this harebrained scheme works.:lolup:

If I accept the premise (which I do) that over time 10,000 $1 bets will probably not net a profit. And I agree that at some point in those 10,000 pulls I will probably have more money than I started with - Then simply quitting while ahead is the holy grail of the gambler who hates to lose. Because of the very randomness and volitility of the game, i don't think that statement can be statistically debunked, any easier than it could be proven.

So I get to have my little dream for now. :cool: And since I ultimately play for fun, and never gamble more than I can afford to lose, I'm good to go:thumbsup:
 

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KK, I just want to make it perfectly clear to myself, but your winning streak is made possible by casino bonuses, right? Not supernatural slot powers?
Absobloodylutely! I (almost) never deposit without getting a bonus ;)

But I don't play low-risk strategy, as I'm sure everyone here already knows; at MG's for example I (almost) only play slots.

To quote another member:-
But there is the super secret strategy that the casinos don't want you to know about. It's called quitting when ahead. They fully count on me playing back through any winnings over and above my original bankroll. It's the nature of the gamble beast to chase, IMO.
Absobloodylutely2! Spot on! :thumbsup:
(Sounds so simple, doesn't it?)
 

EasyRhino

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Some math types worked out the odds. If you play specifically with the goal of making some sort of win, you can have a "winning session" a ridiculous percentage of time. They will generally be very small. And your rare loss will be very large.

When playing any negative-expectation game, I find it useful to go in with three limits: a loss limit, a win limit, and a time limit. The first one I hit, I'm done. Why is it useful? Because they can all limit the time that you spend playing, and give the house less chance to get my money.
 

amatrine

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Well I have had a good week. Had some nice wins on real series.

Im opposite, I dont take match bonuses etc very often. I hate restrictions, max cash outs etc.

When I do take them its for low amounts like 20 bucks or something when Im bored to go play nickle poker.

I got to say though, every random I have been trying for seems to hit after I get off the game, then go back later and its gone. This has been the case the last two weeks, so Im not that lucky,lol

Ama
 

lojo

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Beautifully spoken,er.
 
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catrina m

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Don't want to sound like I'm complaining again but this was unreal.

After the 3rd day of depositing and watching my credits evaporate. (which by the way was my monthly limit, you must have limits) I found myself with 13cents left. I was playing the achilles slot and had watched several hundred spins go by with no feature (not even close) so I decided to play 1c on 1 line for a fluke.

The next spin was the fortress feature (10 free spins doubled) to which it retriggered twice. I won 27c. Kept spinning at 1c and the 3rd spin was achilles feature. Then it retriggered and I won 17c.

Then it took my pittance.

It was agonizing watching the features hit over and over again with 1c bet.

When I had 20 lines bet the best I saw was a dollar win.

Sorry for what sounds like complaining but I will never, ever spin 1c again.
 

lojo

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Don't want to sound like I'm complaining again but this was unreal.

After the 3rd day of depositing and watching my credits evaporate. (which by the way was my monthly limit, you must have limits) I found myself with 13cents left. I was playing the achilles slot and had watched several hundred spins go by with no feature (not even close) so I decided to play 1c on 1 line for a fluke.

The next spin was the fortress feature (10 free spins doubled) to which it retriggered twice. I won 27c. Kept spinning at 1c and the 3rd spin was achilles feature. Then it retriggered and I won 17c.

Then it took my pittance.

It was agonizing watching the features hit over and over again with 1c bet.

When I had 20 lines bet the best I saw was a dollar win.

Sorry for what sounds like complaining but I will never, ever spin 1c again.

That has happened to me countless times in B&M casinos (mostly tribal) and seems to be a developing pattern when I play RTG for real monies. (not to the last penny, but near the last sum)

That's one reason I always keep some play in my pocket, or am happy when my girl is on a streak and can hand me a ticket. :D I do chase sometimes, but within limits.

$0 is a line not to cross as well as 120% of bankroll, or 1/4 when things get tough.

I feel for ya, it does get under your skin to be a disciplined gamer sometimes, dunnit?
 
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