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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by catrina m, Mar 19, 2007.

    Mar 19, 2007
  1. catrina m

    catrina m Senior Member PABaccred

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    The easiest way for casinos to stay in buisness and not worry about payment options.

    Don't let the players win.

    Seems to be the case with me lately. I'll laugh (lol) but it's not really funny.

    Can anyone say they are winning? Or watching thousands of screenshots that suck.
     
  2. Mar 19, 2007
  3. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Winning

    I have enjoyed a short winning streak of late, and I managed to find the cashout button in time:D
     
  4. Mar 19, 2007
  5. cynthial

    cynthial Boo

    Occupation:
    Fireproofing
    Location:
    Albuquerque
    Great weekend. $200 deposited, $1000 withdrawal. :thumbsup:
     
  6. Mar 19, 2007
  7. catrina m

    catrina m Senior Member PABaccred

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    guess its just my luck.

    played in rtg's and microgaming lately and my money went like shit through a goose.
     
  8. Mar 19, 2007
  9. metaxa

    metaxa Experienced Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    Technican
    Location:
    London
    its not just you. i have no luck anymore on any microgaming this year, last year was much better (incredible low slots payouts over 3 months now). RTG is still ok for me.
     
  10. Mar 19, 2007
  11. Gaahl

    Gaahl Quit Gambling

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    Location:
    Norway
    Sorry if this seems a little harsh.. I like to gambol myself, but can you realy complain that you arent winning when you play for month up and month down? Slots have a HA of 5%, when you play as much as every month you pretty much take away all of the varriance (positive) and you are bound to loose wast sums of money...
     
  12. Mar 19, 2007
  13. mikepipe

    mikepipe Dormant account

    Occupation:
    owner
    Location:
    still progressing
    Yes. Its absolutely simple.
    As a slotsplayer you need : patience, (much more than for 10 lousy sessions),
    a fixed goal (so that you find the cashout button) and a relaxed mind (so taht you can enjoy the good ones and forget the others and DONT take them as a personal offense).
    Simply?? :cool: :)
     
  14. Mar 19, 2007
  15. catrina m

    catrina m Senior Member PABaccred

    Occupation:
    service
    Location:
    US of A
    I spin 5 to 7 hours a day

    plenty of patience, thats what the expert button and 500 spins are about.

    The payouts, at least on my machine, are pitiful lately.

    You spend 375 spins and get the feature and watch it miss every time.

    Been spinning 3 years and the last few weeks have been watching take and no give.

    Just thought I would see if anyone is having a similar experience.

    Bad enough with the US restricting payouts but why worry if there is nothing to pay out.
     
  16. Mar 19, 2007
  17. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Added Value


    One key to my success is the added value with promotions. These are not just bonuses, but tournaments. The Casino Action tournaments take up the whole day, both spinning for hours, and working out strategy against the latest scoreboard. At the end, prizes are awarded, and the WR can be completed at the next event. There is a lot of luck, as with slots in general, but the prize can often be enough to reverse a bad spell the next time the tournament comes along, and allow completion of the WR, something to cash-out, and another prize for the following event.
     
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  18. Mar 19, 2007
  19. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Wish I could play like that :)

    Do you have money management strategies? I like to see how others make their money last and produce consistent wins over time. If you look at Simmo!'s signature I think there is a link to his strats on oggs.com, and KasinoKing has an admirable strategy, again linked on his siggy. There's no reason their strategies wouldn't work with larger denominations.

    It can be a lot of fun to try different things, I know I've done every cockamamy thing that's creeped into my head to get an edge.

    Good luck:thumbsup:
     
  20. Mar 19, 2007
  21. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I have been on a bit of a winning streak - only for 5 years & 10 months... :rolleyes:
    You sound like you're playing way too much (5-7 hours a day :eek: ), if you feel this is a problem please do not ignore the signs and take action or seek outside help.

    I personally would budget my RTG deposits if I were you. Their slots were changed about August time & now represent a water-fowl's rear end. I played my first RTG for 3 months this month (to see if they had got better) - and the slots just murdered me. :mad:

    If you can't be lucky, be careful! :thumbsup:
     
  22. Mar 19, 2007
  23. catrina m

    catrina m Senior Member PABaccred

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    I play extremely low and a few decent hits will keep you in for a while.

    The RTG's are doing the most damage. No significant hits in a long time.

    Think I'll stay away from those for a while. What got me into slots was thunderstruck. I was playing poker at intertops and lost down to 36cents, I stuck it in thunderstruck and and played 1c on 3 lines. Only 3c a spin. On my second spin I hit the rams and then it lined up the Thors. Gave me more than enough to play poker. It's hard to remember (been 3 years ago) but I think that 3c spin paid over $120.
     
  24. Mar 19, 2007
  25. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

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    San Diego
    KK, I just want to make it perfectly clear to myself, but your winning streak is made possible by casino bonuses, right? Not supernatural slot powers?

    And catrina, I've done reading on card-counting, and there's a concept that applies to this discussion. I call it the "race for the long term". If you learn to count cards or something that gives you a small advantage, then you basically want to play as much as you can, as quickly as you can, in order to try to let the fluctuations even out, and have the small advantage reliably manifest yourself. Because in the short term ("short" means thousands of hands of blackjack) it's really just luck whether you win or lose.

    Now, if you're playing multiple hours of slots every day, you're "racing to the long term" for slot play. That's so much play that there will be no way to escape the house's advantage. If you were to chart out your wins and losses on a graph over a couple years, you would see a slow steady decline, interrupted by positive and negative spikes, but still reverting back to a slow steady decline.

    It does sound like you're in a losing streak right now, those are really crappy.
     
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  27. tennis_balls

    tennis_balls Dormant account

    Occupation:
    fish n chips promoter
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    Albuquerque, NM
    I go to KK's site and rub my monitor before making a deposit.
     
  28. Mar 19, 2007
  29. annoyed33

    annoyed33 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Teacher
    Location:
    UK
    I have had a winning streak for about two months but it has ended....seriously poor hands:eek:

    So, I am giving a rest for a while- probably a couple of months....average down the latest losses and regain perspectives.:)

    Interesting RTG comments...few seem to win thee....so WHY play there?

    ...or is it just bad timing?
     
  30. Mar 19, 2007
  31. Swede

    Swede Hell is only a word PABnonaccred PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Auctioneer
    Location:
    Anaon
    I go to my site monitor and rub KK's before making a deposit.
     
  32. Mar 19, 2007
  33. mikepipe

    mikepipe Dormant account

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    owner
    Location:
    still progressing

    I think, catrina were lucky enough, if she could reduce her losses to the house edge - which means get approx. 95% back on MG.
     
  34. Mar 19, 2007
  35. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    I guess I have just been lucky overall, because of course it is not possible to beat the house edge over time on slots. My winnings for 2006 are partially due to using bonuses (I didn't keep track of them, so I can only assume)

    But there is the super secret strategy that the casinos don't want you to know about. It's called quitting when ahead. They fully count on me playing back through any winnings over and above my original bankroll. It's the nature of the gamble beast to chase, IMO.

    I haven't actually charted it so my theory is anecdotal; If I pick a reasonable expectation, say 10% increase, and always quit then, I'll be able to survive a bust now and then and maintain a profit.

    Conversely, if I'm willing to spend my bankroll each time and always bet large with any amount over my throughput, I'll eventually hit a large enough return to maintain a profit. To illustrate; two buckets of coins - bankroll in one and throughput in the other - mostly lowrolling with the bankroll, and randomly doing 'big bets' with the throughput bucket.

    And then the mixture of those two things, randomly applied.

    Unless I was just lucky because I played sporadically, or I got the 'leg-up' because of manipulating the EV with bonuses - this harebrained scheme works.:lolup:

    If I accept the premise (which I do) that over time 10,000 $1 bets will probably not net a profit. And I agree that at some point in those 10,000 pulls I will probably have more money than I started with - Then simply quitting while ahead is the holy grail of the gambler who hates to lose. Because of the very randomness and volitility of the game, i don't think that statement can be statistically debunked, any easier than it could be proven.

    So I get to have my little dream for now. :cool: And since I ultimately play for fun, and never gamble more than I can afford to lose, I'm good to go:thumbsup:
     
  36. Mar 20, 2007
  37. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Absobloodylutely! I (almost) never deposit without getting a bonus ;)

    But I don't play low-risk strategy, as I'm sure everyone here already knows; at MG's for example I (almost) only play slots.

    To quote another member:-
    Absobloodylutely2! Spot on! :thumbsup:
    (Sounds so simple, doesn't it?)
     
  38. Mar 20, 2007
  39. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

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    Some math types worked out the odds. If you play specifically with the goal of making some sort of win, you can have a "winning session" a ridiculous percentage of time. They will generally be very small. And your rare loss will be very large.

    When playing any negative-expectation game, I find it useful to go in with three limits: a loss limit, a win limit, and a time limit. The first one I hit, I'm done. Why is it useful? Because they can all limit the time that you spend playing, and give the house less chance to get my money.
     
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