issuing a challenge to 32red/mg

[RobWin]

Evening all,

Apologies for not being able to reply any earlier; rather a lot of opinions, views, and conspiracy theories for me to digest!

In response to the belief that something has changed with MG Ill let the figures do the talking, so please find below the Payout Percentages (for Slot Games) at 32Red over the last two years;

Month 2007 2008
Jan 107.24 94.71
Feb 95.58 104.10
Mar 95.80 96.11
Apr 95.51 95.25
May 97.31 95.29
Jun 95.71 94.59
July 95.37 95.92
Aug 94.32 96.28
Sep 96.49 96.14
Oct 95.34 95.98
Nov 96.81
Dec 96.26
AVE 96.81 96.44

As is evidenced by the above, there has been very little month to month fluctuation in the overall Payout Percentage for Slots Games at 32Red in the last two years. I'm not sure what other evidence you would like to see provided, but I am always open to (reasonable) suggestions.

Over to you...
Cheers
Pat

Thanks for posting that Pat...

Is there anyway you could post the results for 2005, so we could compare to 2008 and could you also include the VP numbers too ?? in separate columns so they don't skew the slots results...

 

[Pinababy69]

After being involved in this thread last night, it got me to wondering what my own payout percentages were recently and in the last couple of years. I'm a happy, satisfied player with no complaints, who doesn't feel that her payouts have changed much at all...not recently, not ever. So I asked Pat to run the figures for me, and this is what I got back. I asked for four figures specifically...

October 2008 - 95.84%
November 2008 - 90.72%
Year To Date - 93.65%
Lifetime - 95.44%

A couple of things jumped out at me, the first being the 90% for November. That was truly a shocker as I would have guessed it was at LEAST 95%, maybe more. I had a few amazing sessions, and some really big hits...so I can only surmise that I must have also had a few real stinkers, which looking back, I did, lol. Also, there is still seven days left to the month....quite possible that will go up a notch or two. I have taken just shy of 30,000 spins so far this month, so a good session or two with a decent amount of spins could up that.

The second thing was that my overall payouts have remained pretty much consistent, which is what I felt even before seeing them. This only shows the last two years, which is the time I have been playing at 32Red exclusively. I don't have any other MG data to compare it to, so can only comment on 32Red.

Like I stated earlier, my own personal experience was that nothing had changed (for me), and my stats seem to back up that statement.

As Rob said, thanks for posting that Pat...and for at least trying to provide some sort of reply to the questions raised in the thread. Hope you're wearing your teflon suit.

EDIT: The lifetime figure is actually for a four year period, the total length of time I have been playing at 32Red. I think about early 2005 is when I started there. It's only been the last two years that I've played ONLY there. Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[steinhaug]

Good to see more people taking the red pill!

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Very nice of you mentioning the parking of games, this is a very fun way of playing however you see some strange patterns emerging doing this. I for one also used to do this as my woman just as yours didn't have time for the spins infront of the bonus game, I also like the 50 spins pr game.
I did it even simpler most times, as you may go for something as simple as 15 spins pr game on say $5, before you loose 1K you will get some 500/750 wins you be sure, however the total amount will slowly decrease in increments of 100 from a 1000 starting point.

I'm done online anyway, I removed all software so I do not care anymore.

What I do crae about, is that this is not that dangerous really. If I dtop after a win, and let another player fill the incrementing loosing streaks I could in theory jump back in on the good win. Well - this works in B&M casinos, but online it all looks like you are playing against your own account - rendering it hopeless and impossible to win. The only way you can win is by loosing. Depending on your previous gameplay and how your numbers turns out, you may need to loose 3K for each win cycle. This would mean, in my experience that is, you loose 3K - then start winning up to say 2.5K and all over again.
Sometimes theese cycles gets ajousted, say you could win 2 cycles in one win, however you would need 6K in losses to recover again. Bottom line you are not able to win.

However some people are winning, well not some, one person, KK in particular. It does seem that this system just aswell as B&G machines favour lower wagers. This is easy to understand since most people wager low, and when they win they can tell all their friends. If one person lose his head he will most likely loose far more than KK ever won the last 6 months anyways. I believe the lower wagers are set to pay out in average what the higher doesnt, atleast that makes 100%.

In basic this is the system, you shall have a maximum of 95% payout. If having to low payout over a calculated amount of betting units you will get a winning streak, bonus games are heavily calculated and controlled from your global payout. This means you will not be able to have many good wins over a shot period of time, it will suddenly flat out since you cannot win to much. Also it means if you loose, you won't be able to loose for to long since you cannot have to low payout. (Like if you loose 2-5K in a night, next day usually starts with great wins!, this is interesting since they usually dont!)

We could make the system more production stable, by adding a few more layers of randomness. We could say that the balancing system (Which by the way sequences numbers from a true RNG, no problem, however we build good normal and bad sequences for when we need them) will stand for 80% of the gameplay, 10% will be used for gambles and 10% will be for accual randomness.

What this means in a programmers eyes is atleast 3 things,

1. For each $100 into the game $80 should be delivered back into a 95% tweaked game which ensures the player gets winning streaks (however the pitfall of ensuring winning streaks from low payout is ensuring loosing streaks since you got winning streaks, fuzzy logic working the way it should).
2. $10 is saved away into gambling pots (which come in three sizes for each denomination, small/medium/large).
3. The last $10 from the profit is infact real randomness, that you might accually be able to win by random, this could be great wins.

What this means is:
If can get a great win, this is possible due to point 3. Also to achieve 95% payout you need to gamble, unless you will loose out in point 2. The house however is indeed already guaranteed far more than a 5% edge depending on point 2.

The problem is that point 1 kicks in and kindof destroys the game for everyone, since a great win from point 3 will be costly since the balancing kicks in from point 1-

You could add more factors into the mix, and the more data you require to devide the different mechanics the more random it will look. If the system gets predictable in a certain way, you could always add more layers.
The system is however predictable, however it's predictable in a way you never retrieve more than you deposited.

As I said, it's easy to win 3K if you are willing to deposit 4K, and it is easy to spot a losing sequence of spins and when it starts turning. You can switch game to what you like and cash in the win (which will not be enough that is!).

Hope you keep your deposits low my friend, since atleast this way we are able to win - however not much, and its no fun playing either since you need to sit and look at teeny weeny spins and who really cares for that? Casino geeks? I for one do not want that, I want to be able to once a while deposit 1K and wager it and feel I have a fair chance of winning!

By the way I hope this does not turn into a witch hunt on 32Red because although I do not play there from reading various posts they are as good a MG casino as your are likely to find.

Indeed, blame game does not work here since the system is what we are talking about. If the operator has any say we do not know, however path's comments indeed shows some knowledge I suppose we were not supposed to know!

If it's an obvious change that "everyone" sees, then some supporting numerical data would be helpful. This will confirm that the results truly are abnormal and are not just normal variance due to a relatively low number of spins on a high variance game.

What games are you playing yourself would be a better question. Given your superior (no pun intended here!) mathematical knowledge if you are wagering high you should easy experience the same yourself.

...

Yo mate! Always love to read your comments. I don't have much to add on them since for me you are preaching to the converted!

....

Anyways, just couldn't keep myself from adding some thoughts here. I would love for a weekend in London sometime having a few beers with some of you people, I am sure we would have lot's to talk about! However - as mentioned in earlier threads - my online "career" is terminated!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Evening all,

Apologies for not being able to reply any earlier; rather a lot of opinions, views, and conspiracy theories for me to digest!

In response to the belief that something has changed with MG Ill let the figures do the talking, so please find below the Payout Percentages (for Slot Games) at 32Red over the last two years;

Month 2007 2008
Jan 107.24 94.71
Feb 95.58 104.10
Mar 95.80 96.11
Apr 95.51 95.25
May 97.31 95.29
Jun 95.71 94.59
July 95.37 95.92
Aug 94.32 96.28
Sep 96.49 96.14
Oct 95.34 95.98
Nov 96.81
Dec 96.26
AVE 96.81 96.44

As is evidenced by the above, there has been very little month to month fluctuation in the overall Payout Percentage for Slots Games at 32Red in the last two years. I'm not sure what other evidence you would like to see provided, but I am always open to (reasonable) suggestions.

Over to you...
Cheers
Pat

These show that RTP has not been changed, however it is the VARIANCE that is in question, this certainly DOES seem to have changed.

I would also like to know why no MG rep is prepared to address the Mega Moolah issue - this is on this thread, but you simply ignored it.

The occurance was around the time of the Barcelona event, and lasted a good 2 weeks. It was undeniable, it happened, the variance for the jackpot wheel changed by several orders of magnitude for a couple of weeks, and then abruptly changed back to "normal". The evidence was that the two smaller pots CONSISTENTLY built to 10x, even 100x their normal range of values before being "won by another player". I saw the Mini, usually never out of double figures, and mostly the lower end, and it was into the THOUSANDS - there is simply no way this was down to "random variance", because this did not just happen the once, it happened pretty much EVERY SINGLE TIME during that period.

This is something that MG ARE choosing to hide, and from this, we can deduce that MG "do cover ups", so reassurances that "all is fine" have been seriously undermined, they could simply be "another cover up".

With Mega Moolah, we have the "smoking gun", yet MG believe they can still keep this covered up. With the rest of the allegations, we have nothing but "pattern recognitions" coupled with "gut feeling". MG are hardly going to fess up if they won't fess up about Mega Moolah.

 

[hippo925]

Good to see more people taking the red pill!



Very nice of you mentioning the parking of games, this is a very fun way of playing however you see some strange patterns emerging doing this. I for one also used to do this as my woman just as yours didn't have time for the spins infront of the bonus game, I also like the 50 spins pr game.

Lol, it started with just two or three "parked" bonuses and my wife enjoyed it so much it became a fun way for me to play and share the "fun" parts with my wife. And you don't have to convince me about the "strange patterns emerging doing this." After a while, i just picked whatever 18 games my cursor was closest too or any that my wife liked because it DID NOT matter what games you chose. If you want to see some good bonuses on games that generally have low variance, crappy bonuses... wait for a really bad run and THEN play those games. That's how i got those 8-10 time retriggers on munchkins and cabin fever, lol.

I'd also like to see the explanation on the megah moolah stuff instead of it just being COMPLETELY ignored all the time....

 

[vinylweatherman]

Lol, it started with just two or three "parked" bonuses and my wife enjoyed it so much it became a fun way for me to play and share the "fun" parts with my wife. And you don't have to convince me about the "strange patterns emerging doing this." After a while, i just picked whatever 18 games my cursor was closest too or any that my wife liked because it DID NOT matter what games you chose. If you want to see some good bonuses on games that generally have low variance, crappy bonuses... wait for a really bad run and THEN play those games. That's how i got those 8-10 time retriggers on munchkins and cabin fever, lol.

I'd also like to see the explanation on the megah moolah stuff instead of it just being COMPLETELY ignored all the time....

Perhaps THIS is what all that stuff about "illegitimate play" was about with MiniVegas back in 2006 - so, clearly it MAY be that other casinos will view this as "manipulating the outcomes", "illegitimate play" or whatever.
Maybe, there are, or were, methods by which these odd behaviours could be used to manipulate the software. You park LOADS, the software rhinks "cripes, time for one of those winning streaks", player gets streak, and then "unparks" - hey presto 100%+ on the SLOTS, and "illegitimate play".
Well something happened, and it BLOODY WELL WORKED, since MiniVegas started confiscating winnings derived from an undefined method of "illegitimate play", and players said NO BONUSES WERE INVOLVED, so it was a PURE manipulator - just like our Fruitie ones here in the UK.

Random eh! shoudn't work should it, didn't anyone tell MiniVegas management that BEFORE they embarrassed themselves in public

 

[Jufo]

Lol, it started with just two or three "parked" bonuses and my wife enjoyed it so much it became a fun way for me to play and share the "fun" parts with my wife. And you don't have to convince me about the "strange patterns emerging doing this." After a while, i just picked whatever 18 games my cursor was closest too or any that my wife liked because it DID NOT matter what games you chose. If you want to see some good bonuses on games that generally have low variance, crappy bonuses... wait for a really bad run and THEN play those games. That's how i got those 8-10 time retriggers on munchkins and cabin fever, lol.

So, how about doing an experiment, parking a few bonus rounds to see whether they give correlated results (for example if one good bonus round always leads to remaining parked rounds to give crap). I mean if this is the best way to reveal non-randomness, shouldn't we focus on this?

 

[Rusty]

After being involved in this thread last night, it got me to wondering what my own payout percentages were recently and in the last couple of years. I'm a happy, satisfied player with no complaints, who doesn't feel that her payouts have changed much at all...not recently, not ever. So I asked Pat to run the figures for me, and this is what I got back. I asked for four figures specifically...

October 2008 - 95.84%
November 2008 - 90.72%
Year To Date - 93.65%
Lifetime - 95.44%

A couple of things jumped out at me, the first being the 90% for November. That was truly a shocker as I would have guessed it was at LEAST 95%, maybe more. I had a few amazing sessions, and some really big hits...so I can only surmise that I must have also had a few real stinkers, which looking back, I did, lol. Also, there is still seven days left to the month....quite possible that will go up a notch or two. I have taken just shy of 30,000 spins so far this month, so a good session or two with a decent amount of spins could up that.

The second thing was that my overall payouts have remained pretty much consistent, which is what I felt even before seeing them. This only shows the last two years, which is the time I have been playing at 32Red exclusively. I don't have any other MG data to compare it to, so can only comment on 32Red.

Like I stated earlier, my own personal experience was that nothing had changed (for me), and my stats seem to back up that statement.

As Rob said, thanks for posting that Pat...and for at least trying to provide some sort of reply to the questions raised in the thread. Hope you're wearing your teflon suit.

EDIT: The lifetime figure is actually for a four year period, the total length of time I have been playing at 32Red. I think about early 2005 is when I started there. It's only been the last two years that I've played ONLY there. Just wanted to clarify that.

So even when you win you lose.
Amazing hits balanced out by stinking sessions.
You are just not seeing it from a programmers eyes.
I would take the consistency of your results as evidence of weighting rather than a fair game but then we both have a bias even if we are not aware of it.
The main thing is you are happy with the game that you are getting.

 

[Alexishot69]

pina

forgive me for maybe being a bit thinck but thes eresults for a player seem pretty consistent ..so here is my question for %s to be so close over a period of mnths dosent that make you think theses machines do have a memory? if that wasnt the case id expect a much bigger difference in %s over a period of a few months..to even have 2 months where the % is exactly 95% is really weird id have thought no?

 

[hippo925]

So, how about doing an experiment, parking a few bonus rounds to see whether they give correlated results (for example if one good bonus round always leads to remaining parked rounds to give crap). I mean if this is the best way to reveal non-randomness, shouldn't we focus on this?

It would be interesting to see other players experiences when "parking" bonuses. In my experience, it always depended on the streak you were on, whether good or bad. I can tell you for me, the parked bonuses paid back 60-80% unless i was on a "win" streak.

As an example, one time i had 14 out of the 18 bonuses and after 13 bonuses, my balance was around $40 (starting with about $400). I was quite disappointed, but my last bonus on the stash of the titans game gave me $250 on a .40 bet bringing me back up to $290 out of the $400 i started with. This happened to me very consistently, though not always so drastic, and the games that would "balance" things out were always different and many times ones that you would'nt expect to pay so well. On the other hand, if i did hit some good bonuses early, the last ones would suck and that became frustrating because we always saved cashapillar, break the bank again, avalon, dolphin tales, etc. for the end.

If anything, i did begin to feel that the payback was more controlled than it should be and that it didn't matter which games i was playing, but like many here always say... it's just my imagination!

 

[Rusty]

forgive me for maybe being a bit thinck but thes eresults for a player seem pretty consistent ..so here is my question for %s to be so close over a period of mnths dosent that make you think theses machines do have a memory? if that wasnt the case id expect a much bigger difference in %s over a period of a few months..to even have 2 months where the % is exactly 95% is really weird id have thought no?

It really depends on your betting style and the type of slots you play.

If Like Pinababy you low roll on relatively low variance slots and play many Thousands of spins I would expect the payouts to be relatively well grouped.
What gets my attention is that even with rare big wins on One session the Month still balances out below 100%.
If a very rare good sessions of say 500%+ was followed by several rare 45% sessions then I would find that curious.

People seem to forget that with a 96% return there is generally an equal chance of getting a higher or lower figure than this (It is not 96% max) but it depends on how long you play and the variance of the slot.

 

[aka23]

aka23, would the player supply that info? And if so, how would one do that? thx
Patrina

It could be done in many ways, using any number that you have from the slot data. Maybe you used to never go more than 200 spins without getting a bonus round, and now you need far more spins; Or you used to get 100x wins regularly on a game and now you hardly ever get them; Or you have data for a very large number of spins and it shows a lower payout now than in the past; Or simply an abnormally low payout. As I recall, kimss made a script that analyzes MG game play returns and reports various stats.

However, saying you played 100 spins (or some other low number) on Thursday and had a 70% payout or similar does not show a problem, as you'd expect some results like this on a high variance slot.

 

[patrina]

I have pm'd some MG casinos and am going to pm a couple more now to ask for my percentages. I know 32 Red will send them to me when they have a chance, but for the others? I am not so sure, and those are the ones I would like to see. I know at Casino Splendido, I made at least $500 in deposits in a couple months time and 'never' ever got over $40-$50 'if' that. So, we'll see. With 32 Red/ Dash, my percentages are probably good, or half decent, but I dont expect them to be for the past 6 months or so, not sure. What I do know is my play has sucked and is nothing like it was when I first started to play.
Patrina

p.s. I have just tried to email RP and it seems I cannot because they have exceeded their pm's and cannot receive anymore until they clear out their pm's! "I have emailed'

 

[Jufo]

People seem to forget that with a 96% return there is generally an equal chance of getting a higher or lower figure than this (It is not 96% max) but it depends on how long you play and the variance of the slot.

To get the 96% long term return includes also hitting the jackpot (or maximum possible win). I think that unless you hit the jackpot, you should expect something like 90% overall return because the rest of the payback is in the large wins. So it much more likely to be below 96% return than above it.

The attached text file shows the probabilities of reaching certain return percentage after 1000 spins on Tomb Raider I slot with maximum lines played. We see from the table that there is 100% - 66% = 34% chance of being ahead (return percentage more than 100%) after 1000 spins. Let me know if you want some other numbers and I will do the simulations.

 

[path]

As per RobWin's request...

...please find attached spreadsheet showing the Payout Percentages on Slots Games at 32Red from 2005 to the present.
I have also included the Video Poker 'stats' for this year to date.

Cheers
Pat

 

[just play]

I have no knowledge on anything you all are talking about, but......


Can't a casino just put in any number they want on a spreadsheet? (no disrespect to anyone)

 

[patrina]

Hey all. Path was kind enough to put these together for me, so here's the perc. for Dash & 32 Red, like I said, Dash and 32 Red have been the exceptions, now the other MG's well, we'll have to see if they get back to me?
Dash
Jan 08 86.64%
Feb 08 91.19%
Mar 08 89.14%
Apr. 08 80.0%
May 08 Nil Play
Jun 08 91.17%
Jul 08 73.14%
Aug 08 93.27%
Sep 08 97.54%
Oct 08 90.05%
Nov 08 98.06%

& 32 Red
Jan 08 Nil Play
Feb 08 Nil Play
Mar 08 80.79%
Apr 08 89.76%
May 08 47.13%
Jun 08 95.02%
Jly 08 83.95%
Aug 08 95.22%
Sep 08 100.66%
Oct 08 87.15%
Nov 08 86.16%

To tell you the truth, I dont know if this is bad or good? I dont really understand it all much. Anyway, I will copy the other ones when I get them, I am positive that they are 'not good' Take care all,
Patrina

 

[patrina]

Hey all, I received an email from casino rewards with regards to my request for percentages. I have accounts with 'all' their casinos so I dont know why it was sent like this, but does this make sense?

As a representative of the Customer Loyalty Team I have happily looked into your inquiry.



After reviewing your account, your total percentage payout is 93% return.



This based on your total payouts across all your casino accounts within the Casino Rewards group.


Patrina

 

[steinhaug]

To tell you the truth, I dont know if this is bad or good? I dont really understand it all much. Anyway, I will copy the other ones when I get them, I am positive that they are 'not good' Take care all,
Patrina

Well I can tell you, Except from Sept08 in 32Red you have never won on a month to month basis! Unless you wagered extremly high and much that month you slightly went out ahead with a little profit.

You had 100,66% payout, that means if your total wagering that month was $10.000 you won $10.000 * 0,0066 = 66 dollars. This in reality would translate to, say you started the month by loosing big - at the end of the month you would feel you accually won alot...

You are well under expected payout in both casinos, and only once did you win (and when you won - you won nothing!). That is what I read. :/

Cheers from Norway!

 

[patrina]

Well I can tell you, Except from Sept08 in 32Red you have never won on a month to month basis! Unless you wagered extremly high and much that month you slightly went out ahead with a little profit.

You had 100,66% payout, that means if your total wagering that month was $10.000 you won $10.000 * 0,0066 = 66 dollars. This in reality would translate to, say you started the month by loosing big - at the end of the month you would feel you accually won alot...

You are well under expected payout in both casinos, and only once did you win (and when you won - you won nothing!). That is what I read. :/

Cheers from Norway!

Thanks so much for that kimss, I have had trouble translating it into actual wins/losses. Now, that's one of the 'good' ones! So, you can imagine my frustrations. I am hoping RP sends me the percentages but I am not holding my breath! Thx again

Patrina p.s. I always bet .75 to 1.00 never usually higher or lower, the only time I bet lower is when, say, I have .50 left in my credits, then I dont have a choice.

 

[Rusty]

Hey all. Path was kind enough to put these together for me, so here's the perc. for Dash & 32 Red, like I said, Dash and 32 Red have been the exceptions, now the other MG's well, we'll have to see if they get back to me?
Dash
Jan 08 86.64%
Feb 08 91.19%
Mar 08 89.14%
Apr. 08 80.0%
May 08 Nil Play
Jun 08 91.17%
Jul 08 73.14%
Aug 08 93.27%
Sep 08 97.54%
Oct 08 90.05%
Nov 08 98.06%

& 32 Red
Jan 08 Nil Play
Feb 08 Nil Play
Mar 08 80.79%
Apr 08 89.76%
May 08 47.13%
Jun 08 95.02%
Jly 08 83.95%
Aug 08 95.22%
Sep 08 100.66%
Oct 08 87.15%
Nov 08 86.16%

To tell you the truth, I dont know if this is bad or good? I dont really understand it all much. Anyway, I will copy the other ones when I get them, I am positive that they are 'not good' Take care all,
Patrina

On the face of it they are very poor but I suspect not a whole lot different to many other peoples stats.
If you compare your figures to PatH's published figures you will notice they compare very unfavourably.

Have Dash or 32Red given you your overall lifetime slot % and total win/loss?
This would be more helpful as looking at individual Months (unless you wager the same amount in the same way each Month) can throw up deceptive overall results.

 

[patrina]

Ok, so here is the email from RP showing my percentages?

Dear Patrina,

Thank you for choosing Roxy Palace!

Management has reviewed the account and the payouts percentages are as follows : Roxy Palace (Last 6 months) 82.86% and Casino Splendido (Last 2 years) 80.03%.



If you have any further queries please don't hesitate to contact us.

We are here for you 24 hours, 7 days a week.

Sincerely,

Zain
Customer Support
Roxy Palace Online Casino

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So, that's not good right? I have never won anything, that I know for sure.

Patrina

 

[patrina]

On the face of it they are very poor but I suspect not a whole lot different to many other peoples stats.
If you compare your figures to PatH's published figures you will notice they compare very unfavourably.

Have Dash or 32Red given you your overall lifetime slot % and total win/loss?
This would be more helpful as looking at individual Months (unless you wager the same amount in the same way each Month) can throw up deceptive overall results.

Rusty, do you mean the transaction logs? If so, I would rather copy them instead of asking Path again as I dont want to keep bugging (him/her?) 'Sorry Path, not sure of your gender?'
p.s. I pretty much wager the same way all the time, for a long time I couldn't get the software downloaded at 32 Red so was at Dash, then when I finally got the connection, I played at 32 Red for months, then went back to Dash after a little bit. Now I will bounce back and forth so to speak.

 

[Rusty]

Ok, so here is the email from RP showing my percentages?

Dear Patrina,

Thank you for choosing Roxy Palace!

Management has reviewed the account and the payouts percentages are as follows : Roxy Palace (Last 6 months) 82.86% and Casino Splendido (Last 2 years) 80.03%.



If you have any further queries please don't hesitate to contact us.

We are here for you 24 hours, 7 days a week.

Sincerely,

Zain
Customer Support
Roxy Palace Online Casino

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

So, that's not good right? I have never won anything, that I know for sure.

Patrina

That is not good at all but without knowing how many games(spins) you played and how much you change your stake (affects variance) it is hard to comment further.
It would be very hard to make a case for MG slots being 95%+ based on your stats alone so far.

 

[patrina]

That is not good at all but without knowing how many games(spins) you played and how much you change your stake (affects variance) it is hard to comment further.
It would be very hard to make a case for MG slots being 95%+ based on your stats alone so far.

I think this is what you mean? I "almost always" play Jellyfish jaunt, or Moonshine and when I play at Jellyfish jaunt I bet .75 at .01 coin size and full lines, when I play at Moonshine, I bet $1 a spin at .01 coin size full lines. I have a few other MG casinos I play at, but have only emailed one more "Fortune Room" I suspect it will be close to the same. There is only one casino, well actually 2 where I really did good. One time when playing Rivernile, and this happened all in one session, I logged on to jj, hit the 5 jellyfish girls, then went to cutie pie, got the 7's a # of times, then went to mardi gras and the same thing, hit the 7's, then went to couch potatoe and hit the blue '7's' and a couch and that paid (I think) $1200 I ended up winning at every game I played at, I believe I walked away with 3 k or more. I can't play there anymore because 'someone' decided to use my computer and charge a bunch of e checks and never gave me the $ so they bounced and so I can't play there till that's paid. The 'someone' had a few too many that night and I was sleeping, so anyway, lesson learned there Anyway (and I dont blame them) I wouldn't want to ask them to do this for me when this situation hasn't been dealt with yet. 'because I'm awaiting 2 settlements there is nothing I can do until next month' Ok tmi, I know, but it's all about honesty here right now. Thx
Patrina
p.s. The other casino I did really well at was casino Tropez, I played the dragon slot (not the actual name but I forget what it is called) anyway, hit the 3 dragons and it payed $1900, oh yeah and the first time I ever played was at Captain Cooks and I played Oceans 7's and won $2500 So, over the past 4 yrs? I think it's been? That is the most I have ever won. Otherwise a few hun here and there but that's it. That may seem ok to some, but not with the amount of deposits I have made. It's funny, whenever it is the beginning of a full moon, I am really lucky, coincidink? Dont know, but whether I play lotto, scratch tickets or slots, I'm usually lucky.