No, half + 62K so about $300 grandI have posted the exact quotes so many times,lol!And four or five days later:
Ah yeah, intent, designed shemes, fraud, ethics....since you have been in the TIV thread, did you by chance recognize any of these words??......It has been and it is what is.So that's twice that it was confirmed here that they would remove the full amount from the player's balance, but would disburse it according to their daily/weekly/monthly withdrawal limits. That would have been great had they actually done what they said they would. Nash, this is the crux of the whole issue, is it not? And this happened to you not only with this win of 40K plus, but also with your progressive win? And that is inexcusable. Your fault for playing it back, especially the progressive. You basically accomplished for them, what I believe they tried to accomplish for themselves with that stupid Irish Luck trick.
I also mentioned in another thread, I wanted the flush put in place not for just me because I will play it back sometime, somewhere but some may not and all should be allowed to make that choice. The flush is only an example of them saying one thing and doing another and do not the "SORRY" follows thereafter.
I wonder how much money they stole from Blackjack player's? Man up, John!!!
I'm telling ya.....more speculation on my part, but these guys are operating on a shoestring, and I'd lay a bet that lawsuit gets settled real soon, if it hasn't been already. The lawsuit is for close to 1/2 million, I wonder if T2 marketing would accept half of that? Just my conspiratorial mind at work again, I know.
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No, half + 62K so about $300 grand
Are you joking, see no evil, hear no evil.......Dude, you were in that thread just like me. It is about you and every other player and those wonderful words like ethics,fraud et al.
How do you feel about sending your players to casinos with contradictory withdrawal terms that even a very experienced affiliate was confused by this January, not last January???......Just curious, I think I used to know but not sure anymore?
OH..OOPS!!!
I'm just trying to still make some sense out of what had actually happened there after John told you what he did about flushing your cashout...
Did TIV actually "Flush" your winnings? or could you not get John to after he told you he would?
No on the former, sarcastic on the latter!!Are you going into cryptic code mode again my friend..
What is contradictory about that term there?
Or are you mainly speaking from your viewpoint on contradictory about that term and what John said to you??
The man makes a statement to this forum in April 2008 not specific to me??? You tell me why he had no intention of meaning it for you or anybody else until kinda like the progressives, in August he was busted but once again, well I am not going to keep repeating myself. End of that story!!......You ever had any similar issues or is it just me??
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It's not just what John said to him personally Rob, whether that be via PM, email, live chat, whatever....it's what John posted on this forum, not once, but twice. And that he didn't follow through on his statement(s)...not once, but twice. The funds were not flushed, they were not removed....they were there and staring him in the face anytime he logged on.
I remember talking to Nash right around the time he won the first 40K, or just before. And I remember telling him that "John would look after him, no worries". What a fool I was, and Nash....don't ever believe another word I say, cause I'm obviously a horrid judge of character.
Rob, are you not getting the complaint here? Not being smartass, I'm asking seriously? Because when this was all happening, you were just as upset and outraged as everyone else, and basically said then that it was bullshit and completely unacceptable. Maybe you're not putting the events together in your mind? And if you do recall it happening back then, has anything changed that's turned your opinion around from what it used to be?
I don't want this to get personal between anyone here, we're all friends. And the only side I'm on is the one that is going to make sure players who play here get a fair deal, and don't get taken in with empty promises. I understand we have a difference of opinion on Rival in general, and that's okay. But why were you back then so adamant that it was unacceptable, and yet now I can't quite tell what you feel about it? Do you think it is okay for those promises to be made to a player, and on the forum, then for those statements to be totally disregarded? And then, when the same player wins a progressive, he goes through the exact same thing...after being told sorry the first time, and that it was all just an error?
I know you're taking the heat here Rob, but you're the only one besides Nash posting right now. If someone else wants to post their opinion as well, I'm all ears.
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A broken record I am, this is better than a flush, I could have reversed and lost all my winnings back this morning. Cheers!!
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But yet on Aug. 29th, 08 you say all this below in Blue, and that is part of my concern here as this is purdy damn confusing, and you got to admit man...you do tend to talk in cryptic quite a bit.
They were according to the above post he made.
Apparently not, judging by the contradictory post that Nash made on Aug. 29th, 08 that I posted above and highlighted in Blue.
I'm still trying to maintain some rational and balanced thought here regarding what I posted above and trying to get to a clear conclusion here.
Absolutely not, if that's what truly happened then I would like to hear John's reply to these accusations as we have only heard one side so far and I am not even totally clear about that side yet since the above post in Blue highlights does not correspond with what Nash is saying now.
I don't mind taking some heat in order to get the Clear and Concise truth out there for everyone to see and read and have no doubt whatsoever of what actually happened regarding this issue. I would also like to hear Nash address exactly what John told him as to the reason that he could no longer flush more than the $4K per week which is contradictory to what Nash said above in the highlighted Blue post. No offense here is intended at all toward Nash. I just would like to here straight facts in a chronological type of order if that's not too much to ask.
I do think that would be fair to both parties here, don't you? And it would help other forum members form an educated opinion as well. But the way it has been going so far it seems more innuendo that solid facts...just my opinion. Should the accuser not properly allow the accused to answer to the fraud charges posed against them before they are simple hung in public?Fair and balanced and all that jaz ya know..
I'm with Rob on the cryptic code thing.
It is a little confusing reading through Nash's posts. I think we're all on his side, or want to be. But it's hard to figure out exactly what got flushed and what didn't.
It does look like everything was fine by Rob's blue highlights. What changed from what is highlighted in blue? How did it go bad after you said it went so good?
It is a little confusing reading through Nash's posts. I think we're all on his side, or want to be. But it's hard to figure out exactly what got flushed and what didn't.
It does look like everything was fine by Rob's blue highlights. What changed from what is highlighted in blue? How did it go bad after you said it went so good?
I think an dont quote me on this but I think he was told it would be flushed so as any person that had won that much an was TOLD yes we will FLUSH came here to post as he knows we all get excited
then I think IMO that it was never flushed it was ALL talk
I think that after so many pms live chat sessions being lied to time an time again that he had had enough
an that is why I think Nash left CM for a while went into Lurk Mode as he was pissed an you cant really blame the man
he thought he could take JOHN at TIV at his word an from what I have read John at TIV but now Rockbet word isnt worth a cent he just said what he could to pacify Nash this IMO only
Cindy
then I think IMO that it was never flushed it was ALL talk
I think that after so many pms live chat sessions being lied to time an time again that he had had enough
an that is why I think Nash left CM for a while went into Lurk Mode as he was pissed an you cant really blame the man
he thought he could take JOHN at TIV at his word an from what I have read John at TIV but now Rockbet word isnt worth a cent he just said what he could to pacify Nash this IMO only
Cindy
Please read this again...I think an dont quote me on this but I think he was told it would be flushed so as any person that had won that much an was TOLD yes we will FLUSH came here to post as he knows we all get excited
then I think IMO that it was never flushed it was ALL talk
I think that after so many pms live chat sessions being lied to time an time again that he had had enough
an that is why I think Nash left CM for a while went into Lurk Mode as he was pissed an you cant really blame the man
he thought he could take JOHN at TIV at his word an from what I have read John at TIV but now Rockbet word isnt worth a cent he just said what he could to pacify Nash this IMO only
Cindy
ok Rob but I think they stopped paying him after the flush in the way the John an Nash had hashed it out
if they are not paying then it is just sitting there
an IIRC there was people bytchin in that thread as why should he get special treatment
an the PRO should have been a automaticaly withdraw
Cindy
if they are not paying then it is just sitting there
an IIRC there was people bytchin in that thread as why should he get special treatment
an the PRO should have been a automaticaly withdraw
Cindy
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I am a bit afraid to open my mouth here, considering I am not involved and do not play at Rivals.
Nash, I am not trying to knock you down or anything, but you do and always have posted so cryptically, as others have said, and you tend to pontificate here and there that I simply can never understand you. I am not stupid, just want some straight sentences, short and sweet as to what happened to you with This is Vegas from start to now. Maybe in a timeline type post in simple paragraphs?
Pina, I applaud your managing to decipher Nash, but he is not saying if you are right or wrong. Your guesses might be wrong or right, IMO.
Robwin, I am so thankful for your steadfast and rational posts, easy to understand. And, you are pretty much saying what a lot of others may be thinking.
Jas, you really are a pitbull, Girlfriend!!!
I do believe, Nash, that you are trying to be an advocate for fairness in these online casinos. But, you have to stop tiptoeing around and being vagus, coy, sarcastic, etc. Please help everyone understand totally, then I am sure you would have all the back up you'd want or need.
Jod
Nash, I am not trying to knock you down or anything, but you do and always have posted so cryptically, as others have said, and you tend to pontificate here and there that I simply can never understand you. I am not stupid, just want some straight sentences, short and sweet as to what happened to you with This is Vegas from start to now. Maybe in a timeline type post in simple paragraphs?
Pina, I applaud your managing to decipher Nash, but he is not saying if you are right or wrong. Your guesses might be wrong or right, IMO.
Robwin, I am so thankful for your steadfast and rational posts, easy to understand. And, you are pretty much saying what a lot of others may be thinking.
Jas, you really are a pitbull, Girlfriend!!!
I do believe, Nash, that you are trying to be an advocate for fairness in these online casinos. But, you have to stop tiptoeing around and being vagus, coy, sarcastic, etc. Please help everyone understand totally, then I am sure you would have all the back up you'd want or need.
Jod
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First of all, I agree with Daera and Rob and Jod.....yes, Nash is cryptic. And it takes some patience to dig and get at what he is trying to say. I know it's frustrating, and thanks you guys for hanging in there.
I wish he had just come in here and given a chronological list of events/winnings/cashouts, etc. and how each was handled. Would have made it alot easier. But not everyone has the same posting capabilities, and the ability to get their point across. I think we can agree that even the most savvy of us have had problems at times.
Second, I don't think Nash will be back to this thread, or any other. The 3Dice thread in Online Casinos may provide you a clue, and beyond that, can't really say anything.
In re: the blue parts of your post Rob, where you highlighted the fact that Nash said it had all worked as promised, etc. Those are from August of 2008. John's original promises were on a 40K win and subsequent withdrawals made in April of 2008, four months before Nash posted that all had gone well. I'm pretty sure those are referring to a win in August, not the 40K win in April....although the amounts were similar. I am NOT positive of that, but he does mention having two wins of approximately 40K....so that leads me to believe that the first one did not go as promised (April), but the second one did (August).
There are also posts in the WS thread from November of 2008, where he won another 19K, and again, all went as promised. The full amount was flushed and removed from his casino account as per his request.
It was after this, on December 20 or 21st of 2008....that he won the progressive, and again when the problems started. From my understanding, this amount was not removed from his account (someone can correct me if I'm wrong ie. Rival, whoever.....I'm just going on what I have). In any event, he was not paid, and got frustrated to the point of saying "fuck it" and played it all back. It was after this he closed his accounts at all Rivals, posted a few times about progressive payouts at Rivals, the conflicting info being given, the payment schedule not being adhered to, etc. This is also about the time he left the forum. This last time should never have happened. If they had adhered to the agreement they had made with Nash two times previously (40K win in Aug '08 and 19K win in Nov '08)....there should have been zero problems with him getting his 40K plus progressive win.
Regardless if it was in their T&C's or not, that 40K progressive payment should have been sent to him in one lump sum payment. That is the PROPER way to do business, the ethical way. No excuse for them to do otherwise. And anyone who plays a progressive at any Rival besides Slotocash, and who is aware of this thread, is a fool.
All that being said, Nash should never have played back that money, any of it. I would have fought them tooth and nail....regardless if it were 4K or 40K. I would have filed a PAB, I would have, started a thread, I would have sued them myself (being in Canada like them). They are extremely lucky that they were dealing with him and that it wasn't my money they were dicking me around over.
I asked for this thread precisely for the reasons you guys have mentioned....that Nash is cryptic, and I thought it better to at least "try" and hash it out and get to the bottom of it, rather than trying to decipher bits and pieces of his posts from half a dozen different Rival threads.
Given the fact that I'm pretty sure he won't be back, this will probably be my last post in this thread. I'm not his self-proclaimed advocate, I just want the truth, that's all. And with everything else that has gone on with Rival the last year or so (pending lawsuit, on and off payment delays, blanket bonus banning, lowered w/d limits for some players, Nash's issues, and that stupid Irish Luck/progressive shit they tried to pull).....all it has done is reinforced my original opinion that this is truly one of the most deceitful and unethical companies in online gaming. Their whole business (to me) is smoke and mirrors. I wouldn't play there with Monopoly money.
Just wanted to add....Rob, I understand you adding balance to the thread and appreciate you posting those other posts from August of 2008. I wasn't aware of them originally.....and it highlights perfectly why sometimes it is a good thing to have differing views. For balance, and to ensure that the full story does come out.
I wish he had just come in here and given a chronological list of events/winnings/cashouts, etc. and how each was handled. Would have made it alot easier. But not everyone has the same posting capabilities, and the ability to get their point across. I think we can agree that even the most savvy of us have had problems at times.
Second, I don't think Nash will be back to this thread, or any other. The 3Dice thread in Online Casinos may provide you a clue, and beyond that, can't really say anything.
In re: the blue parts of your post Rob, where you highlighted the fact that Nash said it had all worked as promised, etc. Those are from August of 2008. John's original promises were on a 40K win and subsequent withdrawals made in April of 2008, four months before Nash posted that all had gone well. I'm pretty sure those are referring to a win in August, not the 40K win in April....although the amounts were similar. I am NOT positive of that, but he does mention having two wins of approximately 40K....so that leads me to believe that the first one did not go as promised (April), but the second one did (August).
There are also posts in the WS thread from November of 2008, where he won another 19K, and again, all went as promised. The full amount was flushed and removed from his casino account as per his request.
It was after this, on December 20 or 21st of 2008....that he won the progressive, and again when the problems started. From my understanding, this amount was not removed from his account (someone can correct me if I'm wrong ie. Rival, whoever.....I'm just going on what I have). In any event, he was not paid, and got frustrated to the point of saying "fuck it" and played it all back. It was after this he closed his accounts at all Rivals, posted a few times about progressive payouts at Rivals, the conflicting info being given, the payment schedule not being adhered to, etc. This is also about the time he left the forum. This last time should never have happened. If they had adhered to the agreement they had made with Nash two times previously (40K win in Aug '08 and 19K win in Nov '08)....there should have been zero problems with him getting his 40K plus progressive win.
Regardless if it was in their T&C's or not, that 40K progressive payment should have been sent to him in one lump sum payment. That is the PROPER way to do business, the ethical way. No excuse for them to do otherwise. And anyone who plays a progressive at any Rival besides Slotocash, and who is aware of this thread, is a fool.
All that being said, Nash should never have played back that money, any of it. I would have fought them tooth and nail....regardless if it were 4K or 40K. I would have filed a PAB, I would have, started a thread, I would have sued them myself (being in Canada like them). They are extremely lucky that they were dealing with him and that it wasn't my money they were dicking me around over.
I asked for this thread precisely for the reasons you guys have mentioned....that Nash is cryptic, and I thought it better to at least "try" and hash it out and get to the bottom of it, rather than trying to decipher bits and pieces of his posts from half a dozen different Rival threads.
Given the fact that I'm pretty sure he won't be back, this will probably be my last post in this thread. I'm not his self-proclaimed advocate, I just want the truth, that's all. And with everything else that has gone on with Rival the last year or so (pending lawsuit, on and off payment delays, blanket bonus banning, lowered w/d limits for some players, Nash's issues, and that stupid Irish Luck/progressive shit they tried to pull).....all it has done is reinforced my original opinion that this is truly one of the most deceitful and unethical companies in online gaming. Their whole business (to me) is smoke and mirrors. I wouldn't play there with Monopoly money.
Just wanted to add....Rob, I understand you adding balance to the thread and appreciate you posting those other posts from August of 2008. I wasn't aware of them originally.....and it highlights perfectly why sometimes it is a good thing to have differing views. For balance, and to ensure that the full story does come out.
Excellent post Pina thumbsup:and I think you summed up very well what some of us have deduced from Nash's posts. I've been wanting to hear the complete story myself and maybe I jumped a little fast into it but considering the kinda of posts Nash makes, (no offense intended) and that they were scattered all over the place, it's been really difficult for anyone to put it together, but you summed it up excellently or at least that was my understanding of what happened.
On the lighter side, I'm glad I'm not the only one who had trouble understanding his posts. I don't feel quite as dense now.
Looks like John did not honor what he promised.
On the lighter side, I'm glad I'm not the only one who had trouble understanding his posts. I don't feel quite as dense now.
Looks like John did not honor what he promised.
ty Jod LOL
I agree Pina you did a great post I also dont think Nash will be posting any more but he will be reading an he will be missed
an yes from all I have read John did not follow thru on his word 1 bit
LOL I like the way Nash post it makes your brain work for damn sure
Cindy
I agree Pina you did a great post I also dont think Nash will be posting any more but he will be reading an he will be missed
an yes from all I have read John did not follow thru on his word 1 bit
LOL I like the way Nash post it makes your brain work for damn sure
Cindy
LOL I like the way Nash post it makes your brain work for damn sure
Cindy
My brain isn't capable of working that hard.
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Well Kids,
If Nash is gone from here without ever stating his version of the "actual facts", then I am sorry, I just go back to thinking badly of him. He is as much "guilty" of Smoke And Mirrors as anyone!
You can not post innuendos over and over and have people believe you.
Just My Opinion.
If Nash is gone from here without ever stating his version of the "actual facts", then I am sorry, I just go back to thinking badly of him. He is as much "guilty" of Smoke And Mirrors as anyone!
You can not post innuendos over and over and have people believe you.
Just My Opinion.
To all of you ladies in here..:notworthy
Great discussion thread! I wish I could just nominate the thread and not an individual post but all of you ladies that have opined here in this thread have all presented great discussion points and I applaud you for that and also for the rebuttles..
Can you guys believe that it is already June now. Where has this year gone? Does time just seem to go by faster and faster as we get older or what..
Rob
xxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9nwcd-jF00&feature=channel_page "Shout To The Top"
Great discussion thread! I wish I could just nominate the thread and not an individual post but all of you ladies that have opined here in this thread have all presented great discussion points and I applaud you for that and also for the rebuttles..
Can you guys believe that it is already June now. Where has this year gone? Does time just seem to go by faster and faster as we get older or what..
Rob
xxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9nwcd-jF00&feature=channel_page "Shout To The Top"
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To all of you ladies in here..:notworthy
Great discussion thread! I wish I could just nominate the thread and not an individual post but all of you ladies that have opined here in this thread have all presented great discussion points and I applaud you for that and also for the rebuttles..
Can you guys believe that it is already June now. Where has this year gone? Does time just seem to go by faster and faster as we get older or what..
Rob
xxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9nwcd-jF00&feature=channel_page "Shout To The Top"
do you really have to ask where has all the time gone ? Hell it has gone to trying to decypher (sp) Nash post.
j/k Nash
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