ISPs Blocking Gambling Related sites in the USA

Webzcas said:
The response from Aldephia mirrors the information that I was told by an Online Casino last week ie: Major Routing problem in Canada - This is very plausible and I am inclined to believe this.


Me too...as the exact same thing happened to me, and I have absolutely zero to do with Adelphia. I'm in Canada. I was told it was related to Bell Canada or more specifically Bell Sympatico.
 
Westland Bowl said:
You can check the status of this bill there. So far 118 co-sponsors have signed up, but only 2 joined since the bill's introduction on Feb 16th.


And we receive the Daily Digest in our office on all applicable evenings (the first place it hits is at GPO), and it lists the agenda of hearings/legislation.. so I will keep an eye out...
 
kheladi said:
I have adelphia in PA and i think bellyrock gaming download sites are blocked from my ip
I'm also a PA customer of Adelphia. I'm experiencing the same thing when I just tried to download any of the Bellerock casinos. Hmmm.

Can someone using a different ISP test this out?
 
sdaddy said:
I'm also a PA customer of Adelphia. I'm experiencing the same thing when I just tried to download any of the Bellerock casinos. Hmmm.

Can someone using a different ISP test this out?

I'm using Comcast and also live in PA (near Philly), and Bellerock's site works for me. I included a traceroute so you can compare to if you think it's a routing issue.

Tracing route to bellerockgaming.com [66.212.235.194] over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 * * * Request timed out.
2 11 ms 10 ms 11 ms 68.86.215.153
3 11 ms 11 ms 15 ms te-9-1-ur01.newhanover.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68
.86.208.225]
4 11 ms 11 ms 22 ms te-9-1-ur02.reading.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.86
.208.221]
5 11 ms 11 ms 12 ms te-9-1-ur01.reading.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.86
.208.217]
6 17 ms 11 ms 30 ms te-9-1-ur02.lebanon.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.86
.208.213]
7 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms te-9-1-ur01.lebanon.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.86
.208.209]
8 14 ms 13 ms 29 ms te-9-1-ur01.hershey.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.86
.208.205]
9 13 ms 14 ms 19 ms te-9-1-ur02.lowerpaxton.pa.panjde.comcast.net [6
8.86.208.201]
10 15 ms 17 ms 14 ms te-9-1-ur01.lowerpaxton.pa.panjde.comcast.net [6
8.86.208.197]
11 11 ms 16 ms 16 ms te-8-1-ar01.lowerpaxton.pa.panjde.comcast.net [6
8.86.208.193]
12 13 ms 17 ms 17 ms po90-ar01.coatesville.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.
86.208.41]
13 19 ms 15 ms 16 ms po90-ar01.wallingford.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.
86.208.37]
14 19 ms 18 ms 18 ms po90-ar01.401nbroadst.pa.panjde.comcast.net [68.
86.208.29]
15 20 ms 18 ms 18 ms te-4-1-cr01.philadelphia.pa.cbone.comcast.net [6
8.86.72.9]
16 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms te-6-1-cr01.philadelphia.pa.ibone.comcast.net [6
8.86.88.5]
17 19 ms 18 ms 19 ms te-1-1-cr01.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.
84.6]
18 18 ms 20 ms 45 ms te-1-1-pr01.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.
84.110]
19 23 ms 17 ms 18 ms gi-7-2.igw01.ny8th.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [68
.86.88.78]
20 41 ms 40 ms 40 ms gw02.bloor.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.81.
14]
21 36 ms 40 ms 40 ms gw02.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.80
.41]
22 39 ms 37 ms 38 ms 64.71.240.53
23 97 ms 95 ms 96 ms ia-fnrt-bb02-ge1-0-1036.vtl.net [216.113.102.1]

24 59 ms 57 ms 57 ms ia-cnnu-bb04-pos12-0.vtl.net [207.253.253.49]
25 59 ms 60 ms 59 ms vl22-rt2-knw.mohawk.ca [216.113.37.18]
26 60 ms 56 ms 57 ms ge2-1-rt4-knw.mohawk.ca [66.212.224.82]
27 72 ms 63 ms 63 ms 66.212.235.194

Trace complete.
 
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winbig72 said:
I'm using Comcast and also live in PA (near Philly), and Bellerock's site works for me. I included a traceroute so you can compare to if you think it's a routing issue.
Thanks. Actually I can bring up their website. The problem is I can't download their casino software due to a "bad request" error. I was wondering if a non-Adelphia customer could check that.
 
I would sdaddy..unfortunately I have all the BelleRock casinos on my computer already. Don't ask me why, I haven't played there in forever. If you have an existing account at any of them, try accessing the flash casino and logging in that way. The only reason I mention this is that the day I couldn't access anything...even the flash casino login pages wouldn't come up. Just a thought.
 
Webzcas said:
I can't access any Carmen Media Sites in Gibraltar. I get redirected to google.com, even though physically my apartment is no more than a walk across the road from their servers.

To try them out I have to wait until I am in Spain or the UK.

As per Gib govt rules, if you are residing in Gibraltar, you cannot access online casino's based in gibraltar :)

You can test that on 888 or Party.

Not sure if its 100% compliant though.

Cheers!
 
jetset said:
Of course it does, Dom...but the central topic of this thread is about an allegation that Adelphia were testing filters to block online gambling, which that company has now emphatically denied.
And it seems as though ISP downtime was just what it was. Even so, I think this thread was a good exercise in understanding how serious something like this would be if it were to happen.

This thread has turned into an excellent resource for contacting politicians, and to understand how these bills work. Kudos to those members who have come out of the woodwork to share this information with us. I applaud those who contributed in a most positive way.

I think this thread paints a worst case scenario that everyone in this industry ought to have lingering in the back of their mind regardless of relationship. Sure, many of us feel that filtering out gambling related sites would be violating freedom of expression etc. Arguing constitutional law is not within practical reach of this forum, but observances are. Why aren't big gaming companies allowed to advertise in the states: because they are intimidated by the DOJ. I'm sure an ISP would buckle just as obediently as a major magazine or newspaper. This is something we all need to be carefully monitoring.

To push this industry to go underground (in the states), will only open up big-time opportunities for crime. If it's outlawed for US players, there won't be a decent casino to patronize since all of your 32Reds, Bellrocks, Trident casinos, etc., etc., etc., would be prohibited from taking US players. US players would be only left with the riff raff from Timbuktu. And that's 60% of the market. It would be a great time to join the Sopranos.
 
Why aren't big gaming companies allowed to advertise in the states: because they are intimidated by the DOJ. I'm sure an ISP would buckle just as obediently as a major magazine or newspaper.

These are two different scenarios Bryan. For example advertising tobacco in the UK is now illegal, but there is no way that the UK will block access to the British American Tobacco Website for example.

The precendent that would be set by filtering ANY website from US citizens would be gigantic. It would open the floodgates for all and any form of censorship. Which in turn, would mean the first amendment might as well be torn up.

I seriously do believe whilst this thread is a great resource to use for those who wish to lobby to make online gambling legally acceptable in the US. I also see this thread as a mild form of scaremongering and thus creating unnecessary paranoia amongst US Players.

If I had a stetson hat, I would eat it if I were ever to be proved wrong. :D
 
I'm late in on this one and forgive me if I'm repeating whats gone before (I scanned the 10 pages quickly yesterday) but my feeling is that even if ISP's are forced into banning access to gaming sites, a foreign based ISP will simply offer US citizens a satellite-based ISP service for those who want it.

Satellite ISPs already exist and the xfer rate is damn fast too. Seems a logical approach to me.

In these days of technology, unlike back in the days of Prohibition Mk I, solutions and workarounds are so much easier. Indeed the whole "offshore" gaming thing is testament to that. IMO, while very interesting, the whole "what if" panic scenario is simply building a storm in a teacup. Prohibition failed the first time - its even more likely to now.

They should be banning guns anyway, not gambling :rolleyes: The "moral minority" that only want the elements of democracy that suit them should maybe consider the wider implications of such a stance. Russia in the 20th Century would make good research material. Anyhow, whats the betting they and the politicians proposing the bill "gamble" with stocks and shares? How do you counter that? With diluted proposals to suffocate "high risk" gambling? So what's investment in a new unproven company and market? The difference is that its in a more regulated and controlled environment with higher degrees of education and knowledge.

It would make more sense to allow gambling to take place within a controlled environment. We have no taxes on gambling in the UK. Great - to a degree, but i wouldn't mind if there was a smaller tax of say 5%-8% that was used solely for education and support for gamblers within the sector.

If this bill ever went through, it would simply drive the sector more underground and further offshore in the States. Its way too lucrative a market to simply be brushed under the carpet. I think they know that too. My bet is they dredge it up from time to time to pander a little to the voting public.
 
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They should be banning guns anyway, not gambling

Which they won't. The Second Amendment is held in high regard as much so as the First Amendment. Which is the reason why I believe this bill will get thrown out. As it contravenes the First Amendment and will set a very worrying precendent regarding free speech and censorship if it was ever passed.
 
Simmo! said:
.......my feeling is that even if ISP's are forced into banning access to gaming sites, a foreign based ISP will simply offer US citizens a satellite-based ISP service for those who want it.

Casinomeister said:
To push this industry to go underground (in the states), will only open up big-time opportunities for crime. If it's outlawed for US players, there won't be a decent casino to patronize since all of your.....casinos would be prohibited from taking US players. US players would be only left with the riff raff from Timbuktu. And that's 60% of the market. It would be a great time to join the Sopranos.

Even if a US citizen was to successfully play online casinos covertly in whatever manner he/she is able to, how would that person be able to use the winnings??? If you transfer your winnings into your US bank or credit card, that would set off alerts that the money came from online gambling sources. I guess this is the time to "think globally" ! :)
 
Westland Bowl said:
Even if a US citizen was to successfully play online casinos covertly in whatever manner he/she is able to, how would that person be able to use the winnings??? If you transfer your winnings into your US bank or credit card, that would set off alerts that the money came from online gambling sources. I guess this is the time to "think globally" ! :)
This industry is extremely resilient - the payments coming and going would be skewered at first I'm sure, but I wouldn't see it as any big deal. Somebody would come up with some ingenious plan. Hell, the casinos could just deal with Fed Ex sending certified checks back and forth. It'd be slow - but it'd possibly work.

The big problem would be who the US players would be left playing with. Any casino that is publicly traded, or is licensed in a high profile gaming jurisdiction would probably be off limits.

You'll have the clip shot joints in Venezuela and Belize, etc. to goof with. :thumbsup: I'd probably have to hire a team of robots to handle the PABs. Or maybe I'll say the hell with it and leave the US players in the dust too :D

Naw - couldn't do that now, could I? :D

Like they used to say when they tried banning handguns in the States: "then only crooks would have guns." The same goes for this situation. Casinos accepting US bets would be explicitly breaking the law. They'd be crooks, right? :what:

And the idiots who came up with the bill would only be exasperating the problems they were trying to extinguish in the first place. It would be like throwing gasoline on the fire to put it out.
 
Casinomeister said:
This industry is extremely resilient - the payments coming and going would be skewered at first I'm sure, but I wouldn't see it as any big deal. Somebody would come up with some ingenious plan. Hell, the casinos could just deal with Fed Ex sending certified checks back and forth. It'd be slow - but it'd possibly work...
Geeze, I'm starting to sound like it's already happening, or that I believe the bill will pass.

It won't. If it does, I will find a hat somewhere from around the house and eat it. And I'll film the process and post it here at Casinomeister. Mark my word.

And I'd expect Webcaz to do the same. :D
 
Westland Bowl said:
And us US players won't be able to view it because we've been BaNnEd!! :( :) :( :)
That ain't going to happen either. If that were to happen, the US players have much more to worry about than being banned from online gambling...
 
I don't think the proposed law will pass in its present shape either. Lots of people are very worried this time around though.

However that may be, the fact remains that there are people trying to pass a law like it year after year after year, and some get pretty close to passing.

So it is still very imortant to let representatives know that their constituents do not appreciate these bills, and they do not appreciate having their freedoms curtailed in such a manner and that prohibition and censorship are not what the US stands for.
 
Adelphia blocking Bellerock?

To summarize, yesterday I and another Adelphia PA customer reported not being able to download casino software from Bellerock Gaming sites. Another member on a different ISP was able to download their software, however. Today, I tried my work ISP (not Adelphia) and can also download it.

Not sure what's going on here yet. I'll try to find out.
 
Postings moved

Okay,

I've gone through this thread and moved all of the reference postings for defeating H.R. 4777, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act here.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...-the-internet-gambling-prohibition-act.11442/

I left behind the ISP blocking stuff since it was pretty much a separate (but related) topic. I felt that another thread needed to be made to bring this material together. I also left in this thread the APCW meltdown, US constitution debate, and anything else that doesn't apply directly to contacting US representatives. If you have more information that is directly related to the bill, please post it in the above mentioned thread. Thanks!
 
Excellent!! :thumbsup:
 
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Anyone here have comcast? I just experienced an unusual outage, I got kicked out of a poker tourny to what I thought was a loss of connection. Thing is that when I restarted my machine I found out that my outage was just related to gaming related content.

I couldn't reload my poker room, I couldn't visit my own site, G911, MajorWager, Bodog, Pinnacle, etc. I could view, Comcast, Ebay, Yahoo, MSN, etc. Anyone else experience this?
 

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