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IsoHunt closes its doors

Discussion in 'The Attic' started by dionysus, Oct 21, 2013.

    Oct 21, 2013
  1. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    After 10 years, isohunt shuts down

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    R.I.P. :(
     
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  2. Oct 21, 2013
  3. Nate

    Nate Casinomeister Advisory Group CAG webmeister

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    Yeah quite Sad - Read about this yesterday .... Dunno if I will find a better site than isohunt. :oops:

    Nate
     
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  4. Oct 21, 2013
  5. diva2000

    diva2000 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    Malta
    Now how on earth am I supposed to get to my weekly series??

    Regards,
    Rebecca.
     
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  6. Oct 21, 2013
  7. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    Don't worry there are loads of place. But think that is prob best if do that over skype or through work email affiliate :p :thumbsup:
     
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  8. Oct 21, 2013
  9. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    Guys just go to You must register/login in order to see the link. it has all info and access you need ;) My suggestions to you Ciara and others is KickAssTorrents (KAT) it is great!!! I got all Dallas 2012 from there me and my fiancee love to watch :lolup:
     
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  10. Oct 21, 2013
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Good thing too :thumbsup:

    I seriously struggle to understand the mentality of people who use these sites (including many of my own friends). They would never dream of walking into a high-street store, stuffing a load of DVDs and CDs up their jumpers and walking out without paying - and yet everyone seems to think it is totally OK to steal the exact same stuff electronically over the internet. :eek2:

    It is theft, pure and simple. There is no valid argument against this.

    KK
     
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  12. Oct 21, 2013
  13. zaaaaabaaaaam

    zaaaaabaaaaam Dormant account

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    One must always evaluate risk versus gain when committing a criminal act. :rolleyes: The chance of you getting caught when downloading a movie at the comfort of your home is quite slim, while shoplifting, robbing a bank or stealing a car is high risk in comparison.
     
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  14. Oct 21, 2013
  15. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

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    The only thing is that on the internet the movie, game/etc is copied, not stolen. The owner doesen't loose his copy and what it was worth. Lets face it, the movie and music buisness has been dinosaurs for too long, and at the time i dled the most music i were 15 and couldn't afford buying a cd just cause it had 1-2 tracks i wanted listening too. Now i gladly pay for spotify and havent dled any illegal music in quite some time. Good streaming services for movies are also on the rise up eventhough i still download movies and series as im not keen on paying full for a movie i wont watch more than 20 minutes of.
     
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  16. Oct 21, 2013
  17. lotusch

    lotusch Megaways Slots, as useless as salt in your coffee webby PABaccred mm2

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    Ugh KK,I hate comments like this...
    Nothing personal but don't try to be the knight on a white horse...
    Why are people downloading?Including myself?

    Because no friggin way I am gonna pay 30 quid for a new CD or DVD.
    Games are even more overpriced.

    It is ridiculous what one has to pay these days for music or dvd's and games.
    Outrageous amounts of profit go into the pockets of producers and musicians and all vague people involved in between.

    I buy sometimes original stuff in the shops but only when it is on special offer.
    I don't mind paying for stuff but not the outrageous prices they want us to pay.

    And looking at the artists,they don't seem to buy a Jaguar less,do they? :rolleyes:;)
     
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  18. Oct 21, 2013
  19. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    I grab tv online. I really don't see it as any different than setting a VCR.
     
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  20. Oct 21, 2013
  21. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    I would say that its bit like in affiliate industry where its also stealing from people advertising Casinos which are not accredited or just a bit rogue but that is just me :rolleyes:

    Also where does it say that everyone download illegal things from these websites? Some do this to test a game or check a video. Then they go out buy the game or movie.

    We can make a example. Football manager has always been full of errors when been released. Why should we pay full price for these games. But on other hand downloading a full copy of game gives a chance to at least try it in proper full version instead of the boring BETA's :thumbsup:
     
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  22. Oct 21, 2013
  23. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Actually musicians don't really make much off CD sales. Most of the money goes to the record label and distribution costs. Most bands would be lucky to get 15% of the CD sales and spend most of that on expenses. To be honest, it boggles my mind. All of the talent that goes into making this money comes directly from the artists and the song writers. There are countless stories about bands that have put out platinum CDs making the record label millions of dollars in profit over and above expenses and the bands have come out with nothing.

    If you want to support the band buy a ticket to a live show and pick up some t-shirts and crap while you're there.

    I agree the major factor in music theft is the cost to purchase it legally. There is also this idea that people should have to purchase the same music over and over. In the old days when you bought an album, smart people would copy it on to a cassette and mostly play the cassette keeping the album safely tucked away. Cassettes were copied too because eventually they would wear or get damaged. With the advent of the CD the music industry decided we shouldn't be able to copy them and there were many failed attempts to keep us from doing it. Almost all of the music I listen to is pretty old and I'm fairly certain I've bought this music more than once before it became available through internet downloads.

    As for IsoHunt closing up, I haven't used a torrent to download anything in years anyway. Watching these sites slowly dry up doesn't effect me.
     
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  24. Oct 22, 2013
  25. mattsgame

    mattsgame Casinomeister Advisory Group CAG webmeister

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    Whilst it is kinda like theft, it falls under most countries copyright laws which are usually prosecuted in a civil court for damages. A lot of changes have been made since the boom in downloading material to include more severe criminal charges.

    Also, these sites can be used for perfectly legal downloads.

    Great post and agree completely, most musicians make most of their money from live shows. Record labels kill musicians as much as those who dl the songs, if not more so.

    I know that in Canada you can download copyright material as long as the material is not sold or used to make a profit, they also have a cap on damages that can be awarded, which I think is $10,000. Germany have a cap on damages of $200, you can see why most of the people that get sued are usually from the good old U.S.A.
     
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  26. Oct 22, 2013
  27. homerbert

    homerbert I-Gaming Industry Representative webby

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    In Belarus average people earning income per month is 500$. And this is numbers from govenments, and this is of course not so good, average in whole country i think is 300$.
    Buy games and movies?) This is really funny, really, hahahahaha :lolup:
    Never.
     
  28. Oct 22, 2013
  29. The Viking

    The Viking Meister Minion MM

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    Thankfully not everyone thinks like you, or else there would be no new movies or games :)dont get me wrong i and prolly most others do download movies, but i also do buy both games and movies :)
     
  30. Oct 22, 2013
  31. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Part of the problem is that big business tries to take the moral high ground, yet it is through "big business" that the modern world almost came to an end in 2008. Big companies repeatedly get caught again and again by the regulators for doing the SAME thing that earned them reprimands and fines for years before. Clearly, they have the same philosophy of looking at the risk of getting caught versus the gain of the act, else it would have only taken the ONE reprimand and fine from the regulator for a permanent end to the practice.

    This is why we have the prevalence of "victimless theft" from big businesses such as shops as well as rampant copying over the internet. The people doing this simply feel that they are treating business the way business treats their customers, and so far they have been proven right in many cases where big businesses have been named, shamed, and even fined for how it intentionally treats customers. The biggest businesses are often the worst offenders.

    When it comes to downloading off the internet, it is just a digital version of what happened before when people would lend video tapes to each other of TV recordings, or record their vinyl records onto cassette tapes and give them to a friend. The internet has just meant that a small trickle became a flood, and the big companies realised that they had to do something other than mutter disapprovingly.

    Unfortunately, they haven't accepted that the world has now changed forever, so they still hype up the demand long before legitimate copies become available, and so this demand goes looking for the first available copy. In the past, it was a "grey import", but at least it was bought and the company and artists involved got their money, but now it's the internet. The first few people buy their copies, and then share them online as they hope to share copies of stuff they don't have from others. Even more telling are those copies that end up online even before any legitimate version has been released, and for this the entertainment companies have only themselves to blame as it is "insiders" who are passing on promotional or review copies so that they can be uploaded to distribution sites.

    There was another study done for the 10 most pirated movies of the year. The study was to look at this in conjunction with the legitimate market, and for 5 of the 10 there was no legitimate source to be found, so their calls for people to "do the right thing" and get their copies legitimately does not wash in 50% of the cases. By driving people to search out a source after something gets the "hyped up" treatment in the media people will be finding the pirate sources for the first time, and if they have a positive experience, it will not be their last. The next time something gets hyped up, they will not have to search, they will look first at where they found it the first time, and most likely this will turn out to be the first place that has it.

    Some may argue that we now have Netflix in the UK, so have that legitimate source at last, except that actually we DON'T have Netflix as such, we have a cut down "demo" UK version of Netflix in the same way that we have a cut down version of Youtube here in the UK. By cutting the UK off from the legitimate sources, the big US companies are actually driving a renewed search for alternative outlets by UK viewers at a time when internet piracy as a whole is seen as "yesterday's fashion". Not many years ago, there was no such censorship on Youtube, if it was there, anyone, anywhere, could look at it.

    The other legitimate sources we have just don't work properly, and so are not trusted to be reliable. iPlayer constantly screws things up, as does the Virgin catch up service. Freesat has failure built in to it as it relies on a technical standard that is not always followed by the broadcasters. These constant technical failures drive people to search out the other sources, and some have turned out to be more reliable than the legitimate sources as they benefit from "crowd support" such that a failure of one technical system does not really matter. If Freesat screwed up, someone recorded it on Freeview and uploaded it, also with many people involved, pretty much everything has been recorded at least once.

    Until the industry sorts out it's legitimate outlets, they will never win the overall war on piracy, merely a succession of battles.
     
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  32. Oct 23, 2013
  33. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    They'll never stop people sharing movies and music on a personal level. It's been going on for decades. The only thing that's changed is this flood that VWM speaks of. In the old days one person would buy a record or cassette and maybe share it with a few friends at the most. Now with these file sharing websites one person could conceivably share a CD with a million people. That leaves you with two choices. Go after the million people or go after the website.

    There was a time when it was pretty difficult to record your own music but when the 8-track and then cassette tape came along anyone could do it with the press of a button. Obviously copying music wasn't much of a concern back then because they were distributing the media to be played on players specifically designed to make copies of it along side blank versions ready to copy on. You could buy the cassette with the music on it, a dual cassette player/recorder and blank cassettes. It seems to me they were bloody well asking you to copy it.

    And when VHS came along they did exactly the same thing. Movie on VHS, VHS recorder and VHS tapes. They even set it up so you could record right off the tv.

    And when the compact disc came along they did exactly the same thing. Music CD, CD recorder and blank CDs.

    And when DVD came they did exactly the same thing. Movie on DVD, DVD recorder and blank DVDs.

    And when Blu-Ray came along, guess what? They just don't learn. Why is it necessary to sell blank Blu-Ray discs? For storing files? Get a thumb drive. They're more reliable, easier to use and fit in your pocket. Every time a new type of media comes out the first thing they do is give you a way to record it.

    The internet was a whole new ballgame. I really don't think a lot of people saw that coming. Originally sound files were in .wav format and were quite large. Trying to send a lengthy sound file on a dial up modem would have taken forever. But then along came Mp3 compression and suddenly you could download a few songs an hour. I think that's when people started noticing and bitching about it but when people started sending thousands of files over high speed broadband, I think that's when the record labels sat up.
     
  34. Oct 23, 2013
  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    The record labels sat up, but they didn't smell the coffee, but tried to build a time machine so that they could preserve the pre-internet way of doing things the way they had always been done. Whilst trying to return to the 1980's, they started smashing up every effort to drag the industry into the 21st century instead of joining the 21st century themselves and set up a service that did exactly what the early Napsters were doing, but better, more reliable, and virus free.
    The downside of pirate files is that you can never be sure to get a decent copy, worse, you could end up with a nasty virus. The industry could have started up their own service that offered everything Napster offered, but better, throttling the whole thing at birth.

    Even now, the legitimate outlets are fragmented, whereas the pirate services are true "one stop shops" in terms of being able to search for a particular item. This alone puts people off as they may try the legitimate outlets, but keep on getting "item not found" almost every time they search, and then find that the pirate services usually find the item they are after.

    Now, they have decided to use Youtube and ad supported legitimate streaming of music and TV episodes, but again they have screwed up by leaving countries like the UK out in the cold, and blocking them from the preferred legitimate outlets, so of course the people left out turn to the other outlets, seeing nothing wrong with this as they have been treated as second class members of the internet nation.

    Now, on top of the traditional pirate sites, we have the bogus legitimate pay to view sites, who charge a membership fee, claim to be legitimate, but are just another pirate service, but one that has decided not just to distribute the files freely, but make money from doing it. People who find what they are looking for on one of these pay sites will believe they are doing the right thing by paying for the content, and as they can pay with their credit card, take this as a sign of the stamp of approval from the world's banking system as to the legitimacy of the merchant behind the site. One such site operates from Russia, selling "legitimate" music MP3s, and under Russian law it really is legitimate as the government do not accept that the big US companies have the right to dictate who is allowed to distribute the content, nor fix the price at which it is sold. The site is aimed mainly at Russians, and priced according to the average level of wage in Russia, making it far cheaper than any western legitimate outlet such as iTunes. However, anyone from anywhere may sign up and purchase the MP3s, and at the same price as intended for Russians. There is also a Russian based site that hosts recordings of most TV shows.

    Unlike the sites they are succeeding in shutting down, they are going to find it much harder to shut down the Russian ones, or indeed sites from other countries who's laws do not recognise the right to control who can sell content or at what price.

    Even the latest move, having access to such sites blocked as an alternative to shutting them down, is not particularly effective.

    To combat the problem, they will need to agree that the whole world is a single market, and have a model whereby anyone can sell on content provided they account for every copy sold, and pay a universal royalty price to the content provider. Also needed is a scheme whereby purchasers can be certain they are using a legitimate site, such as a central register of all sites that play by the rules in collecting and sending back the appropriate royalty. They can then go after the sites that are not on this list, and tell people that there will ALWAYS be a legitimate outlet for whatever it is they find on an unregistered site, and that the legitimate copy will be what it claims to be, rather than a piece of malware.
     
  36. Oct 23, 2013
  37. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    That was the mistake the record labels made. Trying to stop it from happening instead of trying to be competitive in a brand new market. If the recording industry set up it's own websites, with the billions of dollars at their disposal and sold the music at competitive rates they would have left the smaller file sharing sites in their dust. Those sites would still function but through good marketing they could have had most fans buying directly from the source and then they could have quietly gone after the file sharing sites losing far less revenue.

    A good marketing department would have had websites built with complete pages dedicated to each artist. People could have ordered merchandise, got news about the bands, downloaded wallpapers and such and bought the music directly from the record label. And if the price was right and the site was user friendly the traffic would surely have flowed that way. It would have been a brand new concept and a novelty. I'm sure it would have been a lot more profitable than just trying to ignore the fact that people wanted to download music.

    Instead they just started a war with the file sharing sites and tried to convince everyone that downloading music was evil. It actually took a long time for music to be legally downloaded online.
     
  38. Oct 30, 2013
  39. PNEFOREVER2

    PNEFOREVER2 Senior Member MM

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    And......It's back. Sort of.

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