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Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Bonus Issues' started by PankkiRikki, Mar 23, 2015.

    Mar 23, 2015
  1. PankkiRikki

    PankkiRikki Full Member

    Occupation:
    Marketing
    Location:
    Fin
    I took 100% match and also was ''rewarded'' 50 freespins. So i Lost the deposit + bonus to a zero balance, and started to play the free spins. Just to notice after i played them the deposit bonus was suddenly again there?(sticky bonus)?? Even tough i tried, i did no find such a terms that the spins and the bonus both have to wagered even after you loose initial bonus + deposit. The support seems not to understand at all, that i think there was just a bug in the the system and the bonus did not clear away normally.

    Has any one ever dealt this kinda ''problem''?

    The casino is on a Microgaming platform
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2015
  2. Mar 23, 2015
  3. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Microgaming casinos to my knowledge do not do 'sticky' bonuses - they are rogue generally unless they're cash drip-feeds like say Betspin do which are withdrawable at all times. I'd say an error has occurred.
     
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  4. Mar 23, 2015
  5. PankkiRikki

    PankkiRikki Full Member

    Occupation:
    Marketing
    Location:
    Fin
    This casino cannot be rogue as they are accredited, but since i took a look at their terms i found something odd.

    Standards for Accredited Casinos
    Must not confiscate winnings for vague & unclear reasons, such as "irregular playing patterns" or "bonus abuse", without specific T&C

    The casinos term 4.3. The player's play is constantly monitored for any irregular playing patterns. Should the Casino deem that irregular game play has occurred, the Casino reserves the right to withhold any withdrawals and/or confiscate all winnings
    :confused:


    Somehow the support was also giving me other information than their actual terms&cons, something needs to be updated?

    *EDIT* Their terms did has section where the irregular playing patterns had been specified, so my bad on that part:oops:
     
  6. Mar 23, 2015
  7. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

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    Location:
    Northeast Coastal USA
    I'm not sure how this post of yours pertains to your original problem but if there was a problem concerning irregular play I would take the bolded part above to mean that the casino should be able to specify exactly what the breach was. In those bonus terms section 4.1 spells out examples of what would be considered unusal play and here they are;

    4.1. The player's use of any of the Casino bonuses is subject to our review for irregular playing patterns. To ensure fair gaming and the proper use of bonuses, we consider low margin betting, equal betting, zero risk bets or hedge betting to be irregular gaming when deployed to exploit bonuses. Further examples of irregular playing patterns also include, but are not limited to:
    (i) placing single or multiple bets of a value of 20% or more of the bonus amount awarded on any single game, individual hand, or round, building a balance and significantly changing play patterns (bet size, game types, bet structures, etc.) in order to meet the bonus playthrough requirements (this rule does not apply to balances of 20 or less);
    (ii) placing large bets that result in a substantial gain followed by a drop in bet size equal to or more than 75% of the previous average bets until the bonus playthrough requirements have been met;
    (iii) if we have good grounds to suspect that the player has sought only to exploit a bonus offered by the Casino in good faith to enhance the player's entertainment (for example, on acceptance of a bonus the minimum wagering requirement is met and funds are subsequently withdrawn).
    (iv) postponing free spins feature or bonus feature to a later time in which you have no more wagering and/or making a new deposit while having free spins feature or bonus feature still available to you.
     
  8. Mar 23, 2015
  9. hedgehok

    hedgehok Meister Member mm3

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    self-employed
    Location:
    Germany
    That's a common bug in Microgaming download casinos. It will just refresh the bonus-balance in some circumstances.
    The "system" takes a few minutes to actually book out the bonus from your balance. I know it sounds weird because if you have a balance of 0,00€ the bonus-balance should be voided - BUT if your total-balance rises again above 0,00 the (old) bonus balance will re-appear (this can also happen when you make a fresh deposit - so always have an eye on your total balance).

    By the way something like that can also happen when you get a tournament prize. I once got a 4,000€ prize at on of those major tournaments that take part once a quarter and played a bonus before that. My balance was at 0,00€ and after my 4,000€ prize was booked in my total balance was 3,950€ cash and 50€ bonus again. That's obviously a problem with the microgaming software but many chat-agents does not seem to know the problem. The casino I was awarded with the tournament win of 4,000€ also refused to fix the issue so I had to play the 50€ bonus (also an accredited casino here!).

    Hope this helps a little.
     
  10. Mar 23, 2015
  11. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Sorry, I think that was your translation - I refer to a 'sticky' bonus being rogue not the MG casino! That's why I said is was likely an error.:)
     
  12. Mar 23, 2015
  13. Googobucs

    Googobucs Meister Member

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    Location:
    Florida, USA
    What exactly are the terms of this bonus? Is there WR tied to the free spins?

    I am guessing that it's a 100% bonus and 50 free spins with WR tied to all of it. The free spins are inclusive not exclusive to the bonus. You can't clear your bonus WR and save them until the end.
    As BigJohn Points out here:
    (iv) postponing free spins feature or bonus feature to a later time in which you have no more wagering and/or making a new deposit while having free spins feature or bonus feature still available to you.
     
  14. Mar 23, 2015
  15. PankkiRikki

    PankkiRikki Full Member

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    Marketing
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    Fin
    Free spins FEATURE. No the spins on them self. I Haven't actually never had deposit bonus tied to the wagering of free spins also. If i loose the deposit bonus it has been voided and i had to only wager the winning amount of the spins . Never had been said i cant play the free spins after iv'e made or did not made the wagering of the deposit bonus.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Feel free to read them and tell that i am either wrong, or it was a bug therefore had too much wagering to do?

    3.2. All bonuses must be fully wagered within 60 days from day of acceptance. Any balance or winning balance that was created by a bonus which has not met the playthrough requirements will be cancelled and cannot be claimed back:what:
     
  16. Mar 23, 2015
  17. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
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    Sweden
    If your balance was down to 0 the wagering from the deposit+bonus should have been gone.

    Sometimes you need to log out and back in again. I always do to be sure before I claim any free spins.

    If they can't remove the earlier wagering from the account then I suggest you contact their rep here and maybe she can help you.
     
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  18. Mar 23, 2015
  19. Googobucs

    Googobucs Meister Member

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    IT Manager
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    Florida, USA
    It's right there in the T & C


    2.5. Any winnings made from free games (free spins) will be added to the player' bonus balance and must be turned over towards the playthrough requirements.

    You should also take note of this as it relates to free spins:
    2.4. The maximum withdrawal amount for any free no deposit bonus and free games (free spins) is $100 (or the corresponding amount in the account currency) voiding any exceeding funds from the player’s balance.
     
  20. Mar 23, 2015
  21. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Location:
    Sweden
    He should still not need to wager what was left from his earlier deposit+bonus since that was down to 0.

    But maybe that's what you meant too :D

    I sent a pm to the rep so she's aware of this thread.
     
  22. Mar 23, 2015
  23. Googobucs

    Googobucs Meister Member

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    IT Manager
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    Florida, USA
    Actually, it is my opinion that the free spins are tied to the deposit and bonus and should be included as part of the original WR. Was it one single offer of 100% plus 50 spins or Two offers with the second being 50 free spins after the completion of the first bonus? I see the bonus amount and free spins as being inclusive of one another not exclusive unless he first claimed a 100% bonus code and then as a result of claiming that was given the 50 free spins as a separate bonus.
     
  24. Mar 23, 2015
  25. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I suspected you thought that, because those RTG's sometimes do it like that.
    So far I've never heard about an MG who have forced both a deposit bonus + free spin winnings in to one offer.

    Let's hope I'm correct on this one :)
     
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  26. Mar 23, 2015
  27. PankkiRikki

    PankkiRikki Full Member

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    So i was ''robbed'' at least 100€:( After the support said everything is ok , even tough it was not. I just tried to wager the ''extra'' bonus also = bust. I would have had balance about 170€ with only the bonus amount wagered of the free spins, so the casino would have actually made 70€ ? :p Even so would be nice hear the reps opinion on this
     
  28. Mar 23, 2015
  29. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
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    Sweden
    No you were not, because as soon as you noticed that something was wrong you shouldn't have played more.
    If you did and then lost before you knew or it had been corrected, you can't blame anyone else.
     
  30. Mar 23, 2015
  31. PankkiRikki

    PankkiRikki Full Member

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    Before i played i did try to fix the bonus balance. If the support says there nothing wrong with my bonus balances, even as i tried to explain the situation , so to them there was nothing to be fixed? O.o
    And it would be lovely to hear from Gia does the Bonus amount + Free spins amount combine to one whole bonus? Even if you play the deposit bonus to zero balance
     
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  32. Mar 23, 2015
  33. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    You fixed your post so it didn't look like you just accused them from stealing or I wouldn't have written that :)
    Some day I maybe will learn to wait a few minutes before responding:oops:

    I also hope she will clear it up.
     
  34. Mar 23, 2015
  35. Gia - GoWild

    Gia - GoWild Official Rep for GoWild

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    GoWild Malta forum rep.
    Location:
    London

    Hello Riku,


    Thank you for bringing this to my attention and I apologize for any misunderstanding or inconvenience. Yet I would like to clarify this for you.

    First of all I want to mention that both the 100% bonus and the 50 free spins were issued as one special offer for the same deposit. Furthermore, even though you eventually played your initial balance to 0, you had not finished the wagering requirements for that 100% bonus. Therefore, your bonus balance was not reset.

    Consequently, when you played your free spins, the winnings from those spins were added to the bonus balance, along with their wagering requirements. And the bonus amount from the spins combined with the one from the percentage bonus, as they were both part of the same promotion.

    I know that this can seem a bit confusing, yet the bottom line is that when you receive a bonus of any kind, your bonus balance will be fully reset to zero once you finish the wagering requirements for that bonus, when you make a new deposit or when we manually reset it for you. So should you encounter any issues with your wagering requirements in the future, please do not hesitate to contact our support team before you start playing, so we can look into it and ensure everything is working properly.

    I hope that clarifies everything, yet should you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact our support team or PM me.

    Regards,
    Gia
     
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  36. Mar 23, 2015
  37. PankkiRikki

    PankkiRikki Full Member

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    Marketing
    Location:
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    I think that should be added to the terms, lets say * The amount of the deposit bonus + bonus win from free spins credited must be wagered 40x times:rolleyes: Thanx for clarifying this;)
     
  38. Mar 23, 2015
  39. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I guess I was really wrong then. Sorry for that:oops:

    I do really hope that you have the rules for that specific promotion clearly written somewhere?
    Also if they are forced to play those free spins would be good to know. The risk is that someone wins using the first bonus, but also win a lot from the free spins and then fail managing to wager it all. Just my thoughts though. I don't think I would want to risk it.
     

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