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Is this a common/ standard condition?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Supababe, Feb 6, 2017.

    Feb 6, 2017
  1. Supababe

    Supababe Opinions Meister! MM

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    Lancashire, UK
    Hi all

    Just wanted to ask the experienced payers out there if this was usually seen in the conditions?


    'After the wager requirement has been fulfilled, the €5 casino max bet rule and €25 max sport bet rule still applies up until all funds from the wagered bonus has been withdrawn, since these funds originate from the bonus.'


    I have seen max bet limit whilst meeting wagering requirements for a bonus but not after the balance has moved from bonus to cash....

    Thanks in advance x
     
  2. Feb 6, 2017
  3. brianleeporter

    brianleeporter Experienced Member

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    Nope never seen this before to be honest.

    Quite sneaky too in my opinion.
     
  4. Feb 6, 2017
  5. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

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    Stuntman
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    Londonia
    Yep, definitely a new one to add to the Wank Terms Glossary
     
  6. Feb 6, 2017
  7. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    No it's not common or standard but I do have seen it before several times.
     
  8. Feb 6, 2017
  9. Supababe

    Supababe Opinions Meister! MM

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    They just confiscated €2500+ For spins I played more than a day after i had met wagering for the bonus

    If it is in the terms and cons is it pointless trying to persue?
     
  10. Feb 6, 2017
  11. goatwack

    goatwack Calendar Time for Buddy CAG

    Occupation:
    Stuntman
    Location:
    Londonia
    I believe it's not pursuing if it was in their terms as stated, unless you'd perhaps made one accidental spin over the limit, whereby an exception may be made :cool:

    But not likely
     
  12. Feb 6, 2017
  13. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden

    That's a tough one. Depends totally on what kind of casino it is.
    I would perfer if they set the amount back to where it was before you started playing again, or punished you with more wagering. Not just conficate because it's like the rule is there just to be able to steal the winnings.
    They of course are aware that this rule is rare.
     
  14. Feb 6, 2017
  15. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

    Occupation:
    job is OK
    Location:
    Balcony
    Trada Casino has that on quite a few of their bonus offers.

    The last one i saw from them was for Free Spins which would be credited after the deposit was wagered 1 or 5 x ....can't remember exactly....either way, the $5 maximum bet was enforced for the deposit wagering, for the Free Spin winnings wagering and after the wagering was completed....on top Neteller/Skrill depositors were limited to $2 bets. :eek: absolutely ridiculous in my view, bet limit before you take a "bonus"? :what:

    I saw it at some others as well but too lazy to go through my records right now..... will post it here when i bump into one of them again :D
     
  16. Feb 6, 2017
  17. Supababe

    Supababe Opinions Meister! MM

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    Location:
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    The worst part is that my balance was higher before my foolish spins (over €5) and I actually made a loss...
    Also I had tried to withdraw via visa but it wasn't working so had to request a bank transfer.... in my boredom I got carried away.....
    I'm absolutely gutted!

    Thanks STAYBET!
    Yes I did just add your casino name so any searches may lead potential customers to this thread!
     
  18. Feb 6, 2017
  19. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I would do a pab if I were you. Even if it's in their rule's it's incredible bad that they are confiscating money even though you lost on them.
    Maybe it's possible to get to some deal.
    This is that kind of casino that we won't trust because they can't see a little bit further, so thanks for the warning.
     
  20. Feb 6, 2017
  21. Supababe

    Supababe Opinions Meister! MM

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    Location:
    Lancashire, UK
    Thanks all. I appreciate your help and support x
     
  22. Feb 7, 2017
  23. nikantw

    nikantw Ueber Meister MM PABaccred

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    Wow! :eek:
    What is next? Put your kids in a labor camp untill you deposit back and lose all your winnings? :puke:
     
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  24. Feb 7, 2017
  25. Mouche12

    Mouche12 Kitty Lover PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABnoaccred

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    I think this rule is outrageous and predatory. If the OP does not succeed in retrieving his winnings through the PAB I would definitely take Staybet to court. VWM would definitely have tuned in if he were around to eloborate on consumer law and consumer protection...
     
  26. Feb 7, 2017
  27. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Only Curacao license --> essentially they cannot accept players from the UK. Why did you choose a casino where you know you are pretty much on your own when things go south?

    That being said I doubt a PAB will help as casinos with Curacao license most probably will not cooperate or talk with CM.

    Report them at least to the UKGC.

    This part of the T&C's would have seen me running for the hills:

    "1. There is a general limit on withdrawals of 10,000 euros per customer in any one calendar month. We reserve the right to pay your winnings in installments within that time.

    2. A limit on winnings of Euro 10,000 per bet applies."


    For some slots it can be easily over that limit on just a medium bet. They do not specify if it applies to progressives as well. :eek:
     
  28. Feb 7, 2017
  29. hhhelllo

    hhhelllo Senior Member

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    canada
    Decent online casinos are now exeptions... 1% great 99% rogues

    Max bet after wager is met? Hahahha..... Come on....
     
  30. Feb 7, 2017
  31. chiya

    chiya Experienced Member PABnononaccred

    Location:
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    Most progressives aren't even local. So say - A player plays at staybet and wins 5M from Mega Fortune. Does the Casino pay the player 10k€ as per the terms, and keep the 4,99M themselves :eek:. They'd make quite a profit in fact given that the money is pooled in from all of the casinos that have that game (to my understanding).
     
  32. Feb 7, 2017
  33. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Microgaming pays the large pooled jackpot wins straight to the player. Netent, Playtech, IGT etc to the casino.

    Hence, I don't know really what happens, but I would hazard a guess that the casino would keep it as it happened with Joyland some years back (right name?? )

    Staybet does not mention anywhere in their T&C's progressive slots, hence why i assume that they could enforce that clause as they please.
     
  34. Feb 7, 2017
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I'm not sure, but I think it's only Playtech out of those you mentioned who do that. Or at least, it's only Playtech who ALLOW the casino to decide if they want to pay it in one lump sum, or drip feed over decades...
    Some (all?) IGT jackpots are paid in instalments too - but that's controlled by THEM, not the casino.

    And yes, it was Joyless Casino who blackmailed some poor player into giving up half her $millions jackpot, or risk dying of old age before she got all her money :mad:

    On topic; This rule at StayAndBet - (but not too high - even with your OWN money) is outrageous! :eek:
    They should at least be in the rogue pit for this and I hope that they lose their licence too (if they have one!)
    Totally criminal.

    KK
     
  36. Feb 7, 2017
  37. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Thanks for correcting me there KK... i was under the impression that only MG does pay the player directly.

    They do have a Curacao ....... well let's call it...... license :rolleyes: :eek:
     
  38. Feb 7, 2017
  39. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    The biG Eu
    A license from Curacao is worthless and I think the OP is doomed here not to see a penny of the winnings :mad:

    And no doubt clip joints like this will keep reeling in unsuspecting players and then finding any loop hole they can not to pay.

    They do not care as they have no long term business plan and rely only on new blood coming through. The rest can go to hell.

    As the OP is from the UK - you should only play at casinos registered with the UKGC / the accredited sections here.
     

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