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Is Poker Stars Rigged?

Discussion in 'Casinomeister's Poker Room' started by Ederz, Mar 19, 2014.

    Mar 19, 2014
  1. Ederz

    Ederz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Salesman
    Location:
    England
    Hi all,

    I know this is something that has been running through peoples minds a lot over the years and i know there have been a lot of discussions about it but id like to get your opinion?

    DO you think poker stars is rigged? I cant help but feel something isnt right there. I have played poker for over 10 years and i wish poker was more like the golden days of Microgaming and William Hill being on their own network etc but it isnt so i am trying my best to adapt and im struggling to the point where i might just give up the game that's been so good to me in the past.

    I have noticed in both tournaments and cash games lately that you will get set up a LOT and the better you play the more you are at risk. If you make what you consider to be a few good folds, eventually it seems to put you in the most impossible situation where you just cant fold and the only thing to do is push all in and eventually get sucked out.

    Now to the point that's made me considering giving up this great game. I decided to play a few games this morning because i couldn't sleep and i was bored. Now i know these hands aren't what i described above and i know i could fold them quite easily but none the less this is absolutely ridiculous what happened. I decided to play 0.50/1.00 Omaha (my favorite game) and there was an idiot raising every single bloody hand so i decided to do the normal thing, limp in and if i hit see how much i can get out of him. This is just a few of the hands....... The following happened....




    Table 'Hatshepsut V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: thoughtsaway (€107 in chips)
    Seat 3: mr.anatom (€85.53 in chips)
    Seat 5: The_Edenator (€128.91 in chips)
    Seat 6: This_Passing (€100 in chips)
    thoughtsaway: posts small blind €0.50
    mr.anatom: posts big blind €1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to The_Edenator [Kh 2c Ad Td]
    The_Edenator: calls €1
    This_Passing: folds
    thoughtsaway: calls €0.50
    mr.anatom: raises €3 to €4
    The_Edenator: calls €3
    thoughtsaway: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Ks Ts 2h]
    mr.anatom: bets €8.60
    The_Edenator: calls €8.60
    *** TURN *** [Ks Ts 2h] [8d]
    mr.anatom: bets €25.02
    The_Edenator: raises €75.06 to €100.08
    mr.anatom: calls €47.91 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (€27.15) returned to The_Edenator
    *** RIVER *** [Ks Ts 2h 8d] [9h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    mr.anatom: shows [Js 9c Qh Jd] (a straight, Nine to King)
    The_Edenator: shows [Kh 2c Ad Td] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
    mr.anatom collected €170.81 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot €172.06 | Rake €1.25
    Board [Ks Ts 2h 8d 9h]
    Seat 1: thoughtsaway (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: mr.anatom (big blind) showed [Js 9c Qh Jd] and won (€170.81) with a straight, Nine to King
    Seat 5: The_Edenator showed [Kh 2c Ad Td] and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens
    Seat 6: This_Passing (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Table 'Hatshepsut V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
    Seat 3: mr.anatom (€204.91 in chips)
    Seat 5: The_Edenator (€242.47 in chips)
    Seat 6: This_Passing (€472.76 in chips)
    The_Edenator: posts small blind €0.50
    This_Passing: posts big blind €1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to The_Edenator [Jd 7h Ts Jh]
    mr.anatom: raises €2.50 to €3.50
    The_Edenator: calls €3
    GaryD6 joins the table at seat #2
    This_Passing: folds
    *** FLOP *** [9s Tc 3s]
    The_Edenator: checks
    mr.anatom: bets €7.64
    The_Edenator: calls €7.64
    *** TURN *** [9s Tc 3s] [5c]
    The_Edenator: checks
    mr.anatom: bets €22.23
    The_Edenator: calls €22.23
    *** RIVER *** [9s Tc 3s 5c] [3c]
    The_Edenator: checks
    mr.anatom: bets €66.49
    The_Edenator: calls €66.49
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    mr.anatom: shows [4h Ac 4c Ks] (a flush, Ace high)
    The_Edenator: mucks hand
    mr.anatom collected €199.47 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot €200.72 | Rake €1.25
    Board [9s Tc 3s 5c 3c]
    Seat 3: mr.anatom (button) showed [4h Ac 4c Ks] and won (€199.47) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 5: The_Edenator (small blind) mucked [Jd 7h Ts Jh]
    Seat 6: This_Passing (big blind) folded before Flop

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    Table 'Hatshepsut V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: bluesinsoul (€100 in chips)
    Seat 2: GaryD6 (€86 in chips)
    Seat 3: mr.anatom (€349.88 in chips)
    Seat 4: thoughtsaway (€250.75 in chips)
    Seat 5: The_Edenator (€180.90 in chips)
    Seat 6: This_Passing (€393.91 in chips)
    mr.anatom: posts small blind €0.50
    thoughtsaway: posts big blind €1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to The_Edenator [9s 3c 8s 8d]
    The_Edenator: calls €1
    This_Passing: folds
    bluesinsoul: raises €3.50 to €4.50
    GaryD6: calls €4.50
    mr.anatom: calls €4
    thoughtsaway: folds
    The_Edenator: calls €3.50
    *** FLOP *** [7h 5c Ts]
    mr.anatom: bets €18.14
    The_Edenator: calls €18.14
    bluesinsoul: calls €18.14
    GaryD6: folds
    *** TURN *** [7h 5c Ts] [6c]
    mr.anatom: bets €71.27
    The_Edenator: raises €86.99 to €158.26 and is all-in
    bluesinsoul: folds
    mr.anatom: calls €86.99
    *** RIVER *** [7h 5c Ts 6c] [Jc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    mr.anatom: shows [Kc 9c 3s 4c] (a flush, King high)
    The_Edenator: shows [9s 3c 8s 8d] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
    mr.anatom collected €387.79 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot €389.94 | Rake €2.15
    Board [7h 5c Ts 6c Jc]
    Seat 1: bluesinsoul folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: GaryD6 (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: mr.anatom (small blind) showed [Kc 9c 3s 4c] and won (€387.79) with a flush, King high
    Seat 4: thoughtsaway (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: The_Edenator showed [9s 3c 8s 8d] and lost with a straight, Seven to Jack
    Seat 6: This_Passing folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    As you can see, one guy hitting absolutely everything and if he didn't hit he would bet like crazy till he did, and believe me, he did, EVERY TIME.


    now these are just 3 hands from one session out of a massive playing history i have and the same as this just keeps on happening, if i play again IF i play again im going record it and start a youtube channel titled "WHAT THE F*** AM I DOING WRONG"

    Its not just me either, my best mate plays stars daily because he loves the massive tournaments. He is currently on a 2 week long streak of these ridiculous bad beats.

    Is anyone else experiencing this crap?

    Ed
     
  2. Mar 19, 2014
  3. jshort

    jshort Experienced Member MM PABaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    Bus Driver
    Location:
    Canada
    Well if you can't trust PokerStars than who can you trust? I can relate to your frustration though. It's always frustrating
     
  4. Mar 19, 2014
  5. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
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    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Oh, most definitely it is.

    Still, I would just keep playing....just to make sure and all that...
     
  6. Mar 19, 2014
  7. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

    Occupation:
    Telecommunications Consultant
    Location:
    australia
    Apparently it's considered normal to never win a decent amount ;) If your getting terrible results then stop playing it's as simple as that :)
     
  8. Mar 19, 2014
  9. Ederz

    Ederz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Salesman
    Location:
    England
    where do you all play? are there any other sites with similar tournaments to stars?

    Since posting this its happened again so im done with stars, cant be arsed with it.
     
  10. Mar 19, 2014
  11. fire

    fire Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Information Technology
    Location:
    Brazil
    Life is rigged. PokerStars is random.

    Good luck! :thumbsup:
     
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  12. Mar 19, 2014
  13. Ederz

    Ederz Dormant account

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    Location:
    England
    random my ass
     
  14. Mar 19, 2014
  15. Mozaik

    Mozaik Experienced Member webby

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Holland
    Not anymore since I requested a self-exclusion from their site back in 2011:thumbsup:

    It's plain simple, if you don't think you're getting a fair game, then vote with your money and play elsewhere!

    I've found the Microgaming poker platform to be the most reliable, even though it means less players and less promotions. Things even out for me over the long term EV wise, while I couldn't dream to run anywhere near EV at PokerStars or Full Tilt back in the day over the course of a couple hundred thousand hands.
     
  16. Mar 19, 2014
  17. Ederz

    Ederz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Salesman
    Location:
    England
    I was thinking about going back to MG as i used to be quite pally with the poker manager Nick, but a friend of mine said there was a bit of cheating going on with MG a while back and he would never trust them. Any idea what hes talking about? is it true?

    Ed
     
  18. Mar 19, 2014
  19. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

    Occupation:
    not a lot
    Location:
    glasgow scotland
    from your example I don't see anything to suggest it is rigged, why on earth you would stick at a table and play someone who raises every hand I do not know, from what I see you are calling all his raises even tho you have very poor hands, why not just fold like everyone else then call his raises when you had a decent hand then maybe you might have won
     
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  20. Mar 19, 2014
  21. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

    Occupation:
    carpenter
    Location:
    Boston
    is this odd or rigged for action

    :)
    and that's me with the royal


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  22. Mar 19, 2014
  23. Ederz

    Ederz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Salesman
    Location:
    England
    This is just a small example of the consistent suck outs that happen.

    Do you play ring games at stars?
     
  24. Mar 19, 2014
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I don't think Stars is rigged - why would they?
    Unlike casinos, the poker room ALWAYS wins (through the rake) and getting caught cheating would ruin them. There is absolutely no incentive for them to run any sort of bent game.

    You're asking about tournaments, but you were obviously playing a ring game there. My suggestion IS to play tourneys (Sit'n'Gos) so that at least you know the maximum you can lose right from the start.
    I used to play Poker quite a lot - mostly Omaha Hi-Lo (my first ever poker site was Stars, way back in 2001). The problem you'll have if you like Omaha is finding room with enough action on this variation of the game.

    I can't suggest any other sites to try as I don't play much now. Personally I love PKR, because I'm a big fan of the realistic talking avatars, but there's very little non-Texas action going on there :(

    KK
     
  26. Mar 19, 2014
  27. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Location:
    Sweden
    Tired of this kind of posts? ;)

    @op:

    Vote with your feet! Don't trust them? Walk away!
     
  28. Mar 19, 2014
  29. Ederz

    Ederz Dormant account

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    Location:
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    It's nice that it happened for you instead of against you.

    I have had a hand before where I had QQ he had KK we both limped preflop. Flop 2KQ we both went all in and I had another Q on the river. Next hand I had AA we ended up all in preflop he had the other 2 AA so AA vs AA and he hit a flush. ITS AMAZING

    Also have you ever noticed the final 2 tables of any multi table tournement always ends up with a huge action hand where 60-80% of the table have all got pocket pairs??

    You couldn't make up this stuff it's just unimaginable and unexpected when it happens you just feel like the missus has ran behind you and kicked your nuts into your lungs
     
  30. Mar 19, 2014
  31. Ederz

    Ederz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Salesman
    Location:
    England
    Thanks for the feedback. I do play a lot of cash games. Always have and always been pretty profitable. However when I have 5 or 6 hours spare I love a big old tournement. I've tried PKR but found it really slow and got bored quickly.

    I've heard a rediculous rumour that the stars is owned by the Russian mafia. Anyone know if there's any truth behind that?
     
  32. Mar 19, 2014
  33. homerbert

    homerbert I-Gaming Industry Representative webby

    Occupation:
    nothing :)
    Location:
    middle of Europe!
    bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
    i can not count how much times i saw such posts / threads
    in your hands nothing really interesting or rigged, lol, you had two top pairs on first, and got beaten by straight, this is omaha, and two pairs most times is shit.
    PS is good, but looks like you do not know what variance mean, or looks like you just bad player, nothing else to say.
     
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  34. Mar 19, 2014
  35. homerbert

    homerbert I-Gaming Industry Representative webby

    Occupation:
    nothing :)
    Location:
    middle of Europe!
    re russian mafia
    once i played HU against really fishy player, i won him 3-0 and he still accept rematch, and he told i win because i am russian and starts owned by russian mafia.
    :p
     
  36. Mar 19, 2014
  37. Ederz

    Ederz Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Salesman
    Location:
    England
    I knew someone would say something like this just because you think your amazing and you like to give it the big I am.

    I clearly stated those hands are just a few of a large list over the past year or so.

    If you don't have anything positive to add to this thread don't post. I have no plan on massaging your ego at all so don't waste your time.

    I'm looking for advice from ppl who have been through the same as me and want to know where else they have taken their play to.
     
  38. Mar 19, 2014
  39. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

    Occupation:
    unemployed
    Location:
    Asia
    you could try full tilt...or party poker ...

    But IMHO you played the last 2 hands bad, both the hands are a clear pot size raise on the flop....... to take it down there and then......
     

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