Is Playtech's 1.9 million pounds Gladiator Jackpot bonus game misleading?

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There's no question that the Gladiator Jackpot slot on Playtech is being pushed hard in the promotion on all the playtech sites I use.
On William Hills there is even an 'ABOUT TO HIT' sign on the logo underneath the huge figure, as a call to action to play Gladiator Jackpot.

My issue is with the actual bonus game that potentially awards the huge jackpot.
For those who haven't played Gladiator this is a quick summary. The game spits out a sequence of nine masks.

They are either
bronze masks which pay 1 x stake for lowrollers and highrollers,
silver masks which pay 2 x stake for lowrollers and 3 x stake for highrollers
or gold masks that pay 4 x stake for lowrollers and 5 x stake for highrollers

For the sake of definition, Gladiator will define you as a lowroller if you play less than 25 pounds per spin (approx)
If you bet between 25 pounds and 250 pounds per spin then you get the enhanced highroller payout on silver and gold masks. (Quite right too!)

Now I was lowrolling a bonus yesterday, and whenever I've had bonus rounds in the past (it's my fourth favourite playtech slot) I usually get a screen of almost all bronze masks with a few silver.
That makes sense of course as, assuming the logical breakdown of the lowroller odds equates to the payout, there should be four bronze masks to every two silver masks to every one gold mask.
This would give odds of 1 in 40,353,607 of getting nine gold masks. But of course the chances of getting a gold mask could well be significantly slimmer than 1 in 7. We have no way of knowing.

But anyway, I hit a run in the bonus round as follows

mask 1 - Gold
mask 2 - Gold
mask 3 - Gold
mask 4 - Gold
mask 5 - Gold
mask 6 - Gold
mask 7 - Bronze
mask 8 - Gold
mask 9 - Bronze

Bearing in mind I had hardly ever seen TWO gold masks max in the bonus round, you might imagine how I was feeling after the fifth and sixth masks revealed!
All in the context remeber of that 'ABOUT TO HIT' sign on the promo page under the Gladiator logo

So after mask 9 I thought wow near miss. This chicken must be about to lay a two million dollar egg!
And I played that slot for the rest of the afternoon accordingly, far more than I would otherwise have played Gladiator. (After all, there's only so much of Joaquim Phoenix' camped up gurning you can deal with)

Between coffees and endless clips of hammy acting, a couple more of the mask bonus rounds drop in throughout the day, standard bronze mask stuff
then, about two hours after the first, I get this bonus round

mask 1 - Gold
mask 2 - Gold
mask 3 - Gold
mask 4 - Gold
mask 5 - Gold
mask 6 - Gold
mask 7 - Bronze
mask 8 - Gold
mask 9 - Bronze

That's where I started to get a bit angry. Even assuming the relatively conservative odds of a gold mask being a 1 in 7 shot, it is 1 in 117649 that the first 6 masks would be gold
not to mention the next three 'let down'/near miss masks followed the identical order.

It seems extremely likely therefore that the mask sequences are a predefined 'production' that are triggered according to a progressive RNG, but giving the impression that each mask is being turned over one at a time like a 'pick me' bonus.
In my opinion, This. is. Wrong.
Not least because it is a call to action to any lowroller that plays less than 25 pounds per spin that they have a serious chance of hitting the prog because it is so 'ABOUT TO HIT' that suddenly gold masks seem to be hitting all over the place.
And how many I wonder have pumped money they couldn't really afford to spend into the slot after getting the 7 gold tease, and feeling the sense of urgency that such a near miss effect creates?

Obviously I feel a bit dumb for falling for the ruse. So am I overreacting? is this all par for the course and perfectly ok? Because to me it feels like a bit of a con, especially with so high a jackpot being dangled on the stick
 

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ThIt seems extremely likely therefore that the mask sequences are a predefined 'production' ...

They are in the "normal" game. You will see patterns and after a while you can predict after 3 masks what you will get. I don't play the Jackpot version mainly because the RTP is significantly lower so I can't confirm if it's the same in both games but it's likely. Additionally, the amount you win is determined before the masks appear anyway so the order is irrelevant. The game knows if you won the JP before the first mask even appears.
 

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On William Hills there is even an 'ABOUT TO HIT' sign on the logo underneath the huge figure, as a call to action to play Gladiator Jackpot.
This is the only thing I find unacceptable in your story.
"About to Hit" implies that the game is NOT random - and I'm sure we all feel the same way about that... :mad:
(Unless the game has a "JP Cap" which means it triggers by a certain level).

KK
 

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I'm with KasinoKing on this one - to say any jackpot is 'about to hit' is misleading. Actually, it's misleading whether there is a cap on the jackpot or not. I hate this kind of promotional bs from casinos. This is the kind of thing that just feeds into the idea that 'it's all rigged and a scam'.

Additionally, promotional verbiage of this type is, I believe, illegal over here in the always sunny UK.
 

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This is the only thing I find unacceptable in your story.

I'd like to add a second thing to that.. £25 a spin to receive the higher rate of payout?!?! jesus christ, thats not "high-rolling", thats "billionaire-rolling"... I mean, at that rate you would need a deposit in the region of £7,000 - £10,000 just to have a reasonable expectation of hitting the bonus round ...

Am I wildly misguided? Does ANYBODY here play £25 a spin ... like, ever? Because to me £10 a spin is pretty much the height of high roller craziness (after a bottle of rum most likely), and I personally wouldn't ever do more than £3 a spin - is it just me ?
 

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I'd like to add a second thing to that.. £25 a spin to receive the higher rate of payout?!?! jesus christ, thats not "high-rolling", thats "billionaire-rolling"... I mean, at that rate you would need a deposit in the region of £7,000 - £10,000 just to have a reasonable expectation of hitting the bonus round ...

Am I wildly misguided? Does ANYBODY here play £25 a spin ... like, ever? Because to me £10 a spin is pretty much the height of high roller craziness (after a bottle of rum most likely), and I personally wouldn't ever do more than £3 a spin - is it just me ?

ya, go check the winner screenie threads - there's $125 plus stakers
A buck is rich for me lol
 

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They are in the "normal" game. You will see patterns and after a while you can predict after 3 masks what you will get. I don't play the Jackpot version mainly because the RTP is significantly lower so I can't confirm if it's the same in both games but it's likely. Additionally, the amount you win is determined before the masks appear anyway so the order is irrelevant. The game knows if you won the JP before the first mask even appears.

Thanks for this. I am assuming (though you didn't explicitly say so) that you recognise this particular '7 gold tease' pattern, thus it has always been there and has always had the potential to hit twice in one session.
That at least puts my mind at ease re the worst case scenario (ie that the gold mask patterns in the bonus game were being enhanced during the 'ABOUT TO HIT' period which seems to be extending throughout September)

Re what you say about the RTP, I have noticed that big paying lines such as the 5000x Joaquim Phoenix line and the moaning woman line don't drop in during the base game with anything like the frequency as in the non-jackpot version, so I think on balance I'll be heading back to that version.


None of which makes me feel any less violated by that awful sinking feeling watching the near-miss pattern fall in twice in one day.
Especially as the lowroller payout for the actual 7 gold tease is an absolutely laughable derisory 30x stake..
 

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Thanks for this. I am assuming (though you didn't explicitly say so) that you recognise this particular '7 gold tease' pattern, thus it has always been there and has always had the potential to hit twice in one session.
That at least puts my mind at ease re the worst case scenario (ie that the gold mask patterns in the bonus game were being enhanced during the 'ABOUT TO HIT' period which seems to be extending throughout September)

Re what you say about the RTP, I have noticed that big paying lines such as the Joaquim Phoenix line and the moaning woman line don't drop in during the base game with anything like the frequency as in the non-jackpot version, so I think on balance I'll be heading back to that version

None of which makes me feel any less violated by that awful sinking feeling watching the near-miss pattern fall in twice in one day.

well, try to remember, reels NEVER authentically 'drop in' - it's eye candy and an illusion - what you're going to get is determined from the point of hitting spin, so 'close hits' don't really exist..the game decided you won or you didn't..they're just pretty pictures
 

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This is the only thing I find unacceptable in your story.
"About to Hit" implies that the game is NOT random - and I'm sure we all feel the same way about that... :mad:
(Unless the game has a "JP Cap" which means it triggers by a certain level).

KK

Absolutely agree "About to Hit" not only implies that awarding of the JP is not Random but determined by the current level or other factors, also if it is indeed Random then the Casino has no way of telling that it is "About to Hit" meaning this is clearly very misleading advertising, surely if it does not hit in the next few/days or weeks then Players that deposited due to the casino promoting the "About to Hit" fact would have a Case?

I guess it all hinges on what the reasonable definition of "About to Hit" is!

JMHO

Al
 

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I've seen this "about to hit" at a few Playtech casinos.

I have also had live chat telling me I should play at certain slots because "the jackpot is about to hit" or "you should deposit and try Easter Surprise, that seems to be paying out well tonight". Either they are monitoring slot pay-outs or talking BS.
 

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I'm with KasinoKing on this one - to say any jackpot is 'about to hit' is misleading. Actually, it's misleading whether there is a cap on the jackpot or not.
I disagree with this - but maybe we are thinking along different lines...?

There are slots on the NuWorks platform which have 2 "Boiling Point Jackpots" that are guaranteed to hit at or before reaching a certain level ($500 and $2,500).
I'm not sure if any other softwares have these types of JP - but that was what I was referring to when I said "capped jackpots".

KK
 

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I disagree with this - but maybe we are thinking along different lines...?

There are slots on the NuWorks platform which have 2 "Boiling Point Jackpots" that are guaranteed to hit at or before reaching a certain level ($500 and $2,500).
I'm not sure if any other softwares have these types of JP - but that was what I was referring to when I said "capped jackpots".

KK

"Jackpot must pay before X" means that there's something that's not random involved, there's no other way around it.
 

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Jackpots that 'Pay before X' should only be random jackpots and not symbol driven then it doesn't take away from the random reel spins.
 

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