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Discussion in 'The Attic' started by Mavin1, Jul 14, 2010.

    Jul 14, 2010
  1. Mavin1

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  2. Jul 14, 2010
  3. SlotMonster

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    How could anyone decide that it's funny? :eek:
     
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  4. Jul 14, 2010
  5. just play

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    I had to stop looking at the pics. :(
     
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  6. Jul 15, 2010
  7. Mavin1

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    The pics can break your heart to see what they are doing to our planet. What infuriates me is when something bad comes of their endeavors it's always, look what "we", meaning all of us, are doing to the planet.

    When did anyone ever ask me or you if we thought this was a good idea, or if we wanted this or that, they don't. If you look at all the disasters and devastating incidents, it's always done by big powerful companies.

    One may say, well you want to drive your car don't you? Or other things, but we all know there is clean free efficient alternatives that have been eliminated, as the money just isn't in it as much as there is in what they are doing.

    I also get upset that they keep referring to this as a spill, this is to play it down in the publics minds, that it's not a big deal and can be cleaned up. Well if it were a tanker that had run aground and was spilling out oil it would have an end to the amount of it.

    But when the earth is ruptured, this is not a spill, it is a major wound in the delicate balance of the earths bodily functions. It's like instead of hitting an artery, they hit a major vessel and it will not be easily fixed.

    We know the difference between a spill and a global disaster!
     
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  8. Jul 15, 2010
  9. vinylweatherman

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    It is now the subject of a number of documentaries here in the UK, and they are NOT going to be subject to any "felony" restrictions the US government tries on. Reporters are happy to film in IRAN, where they risk torture & even death, so I doubt the US laws are going to scare them off.

    Both BP and the US government are implicated for trying to "play down" the event, which is probably the biggest oil leak the WORLD has ever seen, not just the worst in the US (which is what they keep quoting). There is also no end in sight, current technology has been found to be unable to deal with this, and something else has to be developed to deal with such deep water well ruptures.

    Taking into account the full cost of stopping this, and cleaning up the mess, the so called "expensive option" of things like solar & wind power will probably turn out to be the CHEAP option.

    I have followed developments in solar panels, and it seems there have been advances in technology, BUT it has been up to private companies to develop them, and these have been SMALL companies, lacking the funds to throw into such projects unless there is a PROVABLE short term benifit in the way of sales.

    Solar film, and solar roof tiles both look promising, but are still under development, leaving us with heavy & expensive solar panels - making the start up costs for a small home solar powerstation prohibitive, despite the latest government subsidy. My roof doesn't face south, so I don't think current technology will be efficient enough, but a cheaper and more efficient system might work, one that does not need to point directly at the sun to produce meaningful amounts of power.
     
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  10. Jul 15, 2010
  11. Mavin1

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    Absolutely true! British Petroleum and the US are as usual, presenting things to the public with a veil of secrecy. But if this situation doesn't get corrected soon and I seriously doubt it will, the entire planets population will know the full scope of it when it migrates around the world in the currents.

    And then to add to the devastating properties that already existed from the rupture itself, of deadly gases and oils, they add Corexit, which is extremely toxic in large quantities. This is nothing more than throwing gas on the fire and the entire world is going to suffer for the greed and incompetance of power companies.

    Greed and corruption is what has made solar power and other ways of living so expensive. Price it out of the general market and the big power companies have secured their control.

    Compound this environmental mess with the others that has been perpetrated on the people and every living creature on this planet such as airial spraying and we have a global nightmare in the making.

    I feel the power of sun, wind and water could very well have given us all a clean and efficient way of life and scenarios like this would never have had to happen.
     
  12. Jul 16, 2010
  13. jod5413

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    I have wondered for years why "wind power" has not come into play. Almost everywhere in this world there are areas that have enough constant wind to run one hell of a wind farm.

    Clean and efficient, the only reason it hasn't been done is a power play from the oil and gas industries. Absolutely unbelievable.

    Maybe after this major fiasco, the powers that be will decide to start working on wind power.

    Oh yeah, maybe the people that scream about it "not being in my backyard", will change their tune. One would hope.
     
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  14. Jul 16, 2010
  15. vinylweatherman

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    This has been one of the biggest problems in the UK. We have plenty of places where a wind farm would work, but by their very nature they can be seen from miles away, and have to be sited on or near "wild" places. There are many objections from ENVIRONMENTALISTS as well, because they think that wildlife will be endangered by the presence of wind turbines.

    Other parts of the world can farm nothing BUT solar power, yet this has not happened. The middle east has plenty of desert in which to site solar farms, BUT they also have loads of oil that they want to sell, so they are not going to support one at the expense of the other.

    The US probably has many places capable of producing solar power in viable quantities, but are dependent on oil even now, despite the fact that they are at the mercy of the middle east, and some states in the "axis of evil".

    The big problem is the initial outlay, and positive returns being decades away.

    Here in the UK, the government has introduced a scheme whereby homeowners can install solar panels, and get paid 4x what the electricity is currently worth, EVEN IF THEY USE IT THEMSELVES, and on top of this, an extra 3p per "unit" for the surplus. Even with this scheme, it is estimated to take over 12 YEARS to get back the initial investment, and any benefit is in the long term, and the installation itself is expected to last no longer than 30 years before replacement is needed. Further, this calculation does NOT take into account any additional maintenance and repair costs.
    What we need is further development to make solar panels cheaper & more efficient. The price of oil will go up anyway, and even without these disasters, oil is expected to run out in the near future, and then we won't even have a choice, it will be alternative energy or NO energy.
     
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  16. Jul 16, 2010
  17. jod5413

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    I call BS on this line of reasoning. Oil wells pumping with the reception centers (where they send the oil to be picked up and carried by truck to the refineries) are quite ugly. Oil refineries are outright ugly and smelly.

    Wind power is quite clean, very modern windmills are quiet and efficient. I would much rather have them a few miles up the road than a refinery.

    As far as wildlife, a wind farm is not detrimental to livestock. Prairie grasses still grow in a wind farm, making cattle, antelope, and deer, not to mention the smaller members of the animal family, still quite able to live in the area.
     
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  18. Jul 16, 2010
  19. Mavin1

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    Let us not forget wind power has been around for a very long time.
     
  20. Jul 16, 2010
  21. gloria460

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    We must also look at ourselves. Even with the devastation that is happening in the gulf the people there still want to drill those deep oil rigs knowing full well those rigs have not been inspected properly.

    Can you imagine trying to cap another well or two. What about the lawsuit that was thrown out and then denied an appeal to keep those rigs shut down until reliable testing can be done. It's only 33 out of over 3,000. They are afraid of losing all of that oil money. CNN stated that the average worker makes 98,000 a year and millions in royalties are paid to that state.

    I fault more than BP and the goverment bc the states turned a blind eye until it was convenient for them to blame BP and the government.
     
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  22. Jul 16, 2010
  23. Mavin1

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    So true, it is a money driven power mad society that is and always has corrupted everything. Even to the point of threatening all life itself. It is is a shame there is that element in life that can be so easily controled and used by their greed.

    However when the sh*t really hits the fan, we will all be blamed and I for never voted for such things, have you? This is my problem with the whole system. Our states, governments and what have you, speak for us, but never really let us know what the question was for us to answer properly. Only after a major catastrophy do they start talking about look what "we" have done to the planet. The fact is, they will make the decisions alone, make the wealth and power alone and when they screw up then it encompasses all of us, saying we did it for you, because the consumer demands it. I as a consumer never demanded anything, so what consumers are demanding the things they blame us for?

    Oil is where the money is and they are driven to that direction. The sun, wind and water can be controllable but not profitable, to the degree oil can. These elements would make mankind independant of fossil fuels and control of power mad mongers. For them to be in power, the populations of the planet must stay dependant on them.

    What about the carbon tax now, will BP pay a hefty fine for the methane they have released into the atmosphere? Afterall, they want to charge farmers a tax for cows farting, have they not done worse than a cow? Or will the global warmists blame the excessive methane levels on the cows?

    However, I will add that things like this will be done whether the people want it or not, some only think we have influence over companies like BP or the government. But if every person voted out an oil rig or whatever, you will still see that oil rigg going up the next day just the same. If not a single person in the country voted on an election, they would still have condidates running neck in neck with x amount of voters from each state and the final winners winning by a margin of votes. Why, because the public will believe what they are told and if everyone in your neighborhood or orbit you know didn't vote, they would convince you that everyone else did.
     
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  25. shadow123

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    while the pictures are very upsetting and a sad reflection on what humanity is doing to our planet, I for one have been very annoyed about the US attitude to oil leak.
    Obama turned it into an anti - british campaign instead of throwing all the resouces the USA have into helping find a solution.
    If America did not consume 25% of the worlds oil there probably would never
    have been a well there in the first place.
    The hypocrisy of the USA is unbelievable when you compare this disaster with
    the Bhopal gas leak which killed thousands in India at the time and is still doing so.The compensation paid was peanuts and I believe the head of Union Carbide skipped the country to avoid prosecution.
    At least BP have accepted responsibility and agreed to pay full compensation and are working flat out to find a solution.

    I truly believe that viable alternative enery sources are feasable,have probably been developed but are not being utilized for commercial reasons.
    When you consider the energy produced by the sun,a system running at 1% efficiency would produce enough power for the planet many times over.
     
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  26. Jul 16, 2010
  27. Mavin1

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    This is why I too am bothered so much about situations like this, it is not the total attitude of the US people, but we are all held liable for what those in the US decide or do. They that have the voices and the power do not speak or reflect the attitude of the population here. And Obama does not speak for me either.

    The saddest fact is that the real people, like you and me are not playing the same game as they are, we are not invited, nor wanted in any decisions, but we will be the first to be blamed for everything.

    One of the major stockholders in British Protoleum, BP, is Haliburton and this is Dick Chenney's company. So the fact is, it may have a Bristish label, but it is owned by more than the British. Will have to do some research on the ownership to know better.

    So when one speaks of the hypocracy of the US, yes there is much of it here as anywhere else, but the hypocracy does not encompass the citizens.

    However when you think of the power companies and the stockholders in these companies, you will find it is all the same people, same group, same companies. They created societies that rely on fossil fuels and such, they control our very needs and existance.

    If one was to research all the major corporations, mines and what have you, you would most likely find that they all go back to the same group of people that have been controlling everything and keeping societies right where they want them, dependant.

    It is not "We The People", if it were, then we would all have electric cars, windmills, solar panels and gardens to sustain ourselves.

    But when people can't get beyond thinking it's the US, or it's Britain, or it's Iraq or whatever, we will always be the blame for everything as well as the victim and we will always be divided. The fact that this country consumes 25% of the oil, the rest of the world consumes the other 75%, this only means that the entire world is under the same control of what they decide our needs will be, based on power and profit for them.
     
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  28. Jul 16, 2010
  29. shadow123

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    Glad you appriciate that my comments were not directed at the US citizens
    in general,just at the corporations and politicians. I am in no way a socialist or communist but realize more and more that the common man (or woman )
    has no control over the workings of their countries but are the first to suffer
    when things go wrong.
    Sounds like they have managed to cap the well now so that is some good news
     
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  30. Jul 16, 2010
  31. Mavin1

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    Exactly and thank you!

    As for the well being capped, this may or may not be a PR thing, to down play the public outrage, it remains to be seen. However there is, because of this initial problem, other problems that are occuring, such as fissures and bulges in the sea bed, not to mention the already irreversible damage that has been done and will continue to damage the eco system. And I am not a tree hugger, but I know when the planet we exist on has been stabbed in the heart, there will be consequences for everyone to pay.

    So we can only hope and pray this is good news and not a cover up to diffuse the situation in the publics minds.
     
  32. Jul 21, 2010
  33. Mavin1

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    Oil industry insider Matt Simmons blew the whistle on the made-for-TV capping of the so-called oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico Thursday, July 15, during an interview on KPFK radio, the NPR station in Los Angeles.

    Simmons, former energy adviser to the second President Bush, explained that according to his reading of the data from NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, capping of the so-called riser and the subsequent announcement by U.S. President Obama was “the biggest con job we’ve ever seen.”

    Simmons, creator of an investment bank catering to oil companies, told radio host Ian Masters that the real problem continuing to gush oil into the Gulf was not the 6-inch “riser” that apparently has been capped amid much TV hoopla, but that an open hole or cauldron perhaps up to 10 miles distant from where British Petroleum’s cameras are focused which continues to spew 120,000 BARRELS per day, and that BP’s much publicized effort to drill relief wells in what the company says is an effort to stop the flow of oil is nothing but a cynical publicity stunt.

    “The dimensions of this lie are beyond belief,” said Simmons, explaining that the idea of a relief well is “tricky at best,” since trying to hit a pipe of less than a foot in diameter 35,000 feet below the surface of the Gulf may be entirely futile because the casing of the original pipe is not even there, having blown away at some point.

    But Simmons noted that both BP and Obama continue to deny that this open hole, or cauldron, even exists, even though Simmons and others insist the NOAA data from satellites prove by speed of flow and depth of light that the amount of oil that has been flowing through the on-camera riser could not possibly account for the amount of oil that has spilled into the Gulf.

    “The riser is totally irrelevant,” Simmons stressed, adding “and there’s no way to cap the open hole.” He explained that BP continues to deny the open hole exists and theorizes the continuing flow of oil into the Gulf is really just the residue from what has already been spilled during the first 90 days of the disaster.

    “There is denial that there’s even a problem,” Simmons said. “In about a month or two people will realize that this actually was the biggest con job we’ve ever seen.”

    Simmons also noted an additional danger. “What the researchers now believe is that basically is that between 4000 and 4500 below the ocean floor lies an oil lake that’s somewhere between 100 and 120 miles wide and it’s about 4500 feet deep. It’s this toxic waste and crude and it’s releasing methane gases that are absolutely lethal which is why all the fish and dolphins and sharks and whales are dying. And workers too, which is why so many have gotten sick, or maybe really sick.

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  34. Aug 11, 2010
  35. Mavin1

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    Flu like symptoms? Heard of the Blue Flu? Live near the gulf?

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    The publicity playdown

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    Toxic Crime Scene

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  36. Aug 12, 2010
  37. Nate

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    How is the Vibe in the US and UK? Has there been a visble decrease at filling stations bearing the BP logo?
     
  38. Aug 15, 2010
  39. Mavin1

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    BP is still going full steam in ways many may not be aware of. Heard about the wild horse round up in Montana, to clear the way for the BP pipeline? There are many stories about it, but here's one link.

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    Wednesday, July 14, 2010
    Shocking News: 7 Horses Die in Round Up On Public Lands Performed for BP (YES, BP) and a Pipeline. Fear and Heat Lead to Cruel Deaths for BP Profit

    In our latest “no freaking way” segment, we are sorry to have to bring this horrible and disturbing news to you even as BP is ruining the Gulf.


    We wrote last week about the wild horse round up in Nevada. Termed the "Tuscarora gather" (in Owyhee and Rock Creek) everyone speculated that this is due to the BLM giving away public land for profit and to corporation. Of course, they lied and said it is not, but the truth has now come to light.


    Though we knew the truth, we never would have guessed that this is being done for the benefit of BP!


    This video article - You must register/login in order to see the link. - proves just why the wild horse round up in Nevada is occurring.


    In addition to the cruelty evident (foals just days old running scared), as you’ll see in this video, it is coming to light that the BLM is doing this to clear land for a pipeline to be used by BP! I know, we can’t believe it either. Sadly, once again, BP is more important than life itself.


    As you’ll also see in the video, BP has admitted that this is the case. So again, a ******* company, one that caused the largest ecological disaster in history, is still receiving preferential treatment over the interests of American citizens.


    This story also sadly states that over 36K wild horses are in BLM holding pens.


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