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Question Is it just me or does the RTG slots seem tighter than usual ?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by GGW Laurie, Jan 3, 2015.

    Jan 3, 2015
  1. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Self Employed
    Location:
    In the Beautiful South !!
    I have been playing at my fav spots and it just seems you don't get the bang for your buck in the good Ole USA like in the past. I had 25 free spins betting 1.20 and ended up with 13.55 now that just sucks , went to 20 cents and hit 3.00 on 10 spins , been playing way to long to think that it is just a run of bad luck , now on the free bonuses they send , can make a huge playthru and then it just flitters out!

    Just wanted to see if anyone else has noticed this on RTG slots, maybe it is just me , maybe not ! Do tell please:confused:

    If another CS agent tells me your time will come soon Laurie , I think I shall gag in the phone:eek: I so hate that when they say such things , I know they mean well but damn give me a break, you really don't want to hear that crap, now do ya !

    Laurie:)
     
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  2. Jan 3, 2015
  3. slotmaster

    slotmaster Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    Being great and stressed
    Location:
    stressville
    I know I just posted screenshots in the winner thread but I had "sessions" in between those and after those hits the machines were TIGHT. It was a miracle some of those hits really as I have never seen soooooo many no win spins and hardly any bonus rounds in all the years I have been playing.

    It feels like RTG said to the casino's "alright set it to the lowest payback to start the year".;)

    Again I know I just posted screenshots and made a lil profit the last couple days but I do agree they seem tighter here and there.:)

    Remember years ago you would hit bonus rounds like crazy, Those were the days. :p
     
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  4. Jan 4, 2015
  5. Googobucs

    Googobucs Meister Member

    Occupation:
    IT Manager
    Location:
    Florida, USA
    I only play CW and never with a bonus. I run in hot and cold streaks with them. I may go 5 deposits with nothing then maybe get a cash out on my cash back money or get a good hit on the 6th deposit.

    I had a good run over the holiday. Cashed out $350 then like a moron I reversed because I had withdraws pending every where and wanted to play. Well I managed to build that up to a $650 cash out.

    I'll manage my play now for a while because I don't expect a win for the next few deposits.
     
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  6. Jan 4, 2015
  7. secret2

    secret2 irishbrit62 MM

    Occupation:
    driver
    Location:
    New York, United States
    I have just had a great session!

    Two withdrawals at Inet of 5oo pmc and 550 courier check.

    One withdrawal at cwc, 300 (ND bonus)

    One withdrawal at Slotastic 200 (Nd bonus).

    Nice start to the new year.:thumbsup:

    Thanks to all of the casinos!..Inetbet, CWC and Slotastic!

    I think this year, hopefully will be better than last.:cool:
     
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  8. Jan 4, 2015
  9. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Swimming Pool Serviceman
    Location:
    Northeast Coastal USA
    It seemed to me like I always did really well on the RTG slots. ...when there was a max withdrawal cap!:eek:

    But, you know it's just that they are all high variance.:rolleyes:
     
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  10. Jan 4, 2015
  11. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

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    I just had a really good session on iNetBet - particularly Aladdin's Wishes, where on the first or second spin, I had a bonus round of 272x my bet - the bonus rounds retriggered about 5 times:
     

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  12. Jan 4, 2015
  13. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    I have had mixed success at RTG recently. I can say though that of all the major software RTG is the most vicious and you can easily lose 20-30 deposits in a row without a cashout equivalent to 2x your deposit amount. Just remember to take a deposit everytime at RTG casinos and deposit with amounts of 20-25 only.
     
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  14. Jan 4, 2015
  15. MaryJean

    MaryJean Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Rancher
    Location:
    Northern California
    I DO remember the good old days-----even the beginning of 2014 was enjoyable---for awhile.

    Then it seemed that RTG got tighter and tighter to the point where you got plumb tired of so MANY zeros..Not just low returns, but zero returns and few if any Feature games.

    December 30, 2014, I had a great run at Inetbet and posted some pix in the USA thread, and I thought maybe---just maybe--they had boosted their RTP---but alas--

    I played at Jackpot Capital with a deposit bonus and only got through the play 1.6 times---not the 30 times required.

    AND TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY---I went back to Inetbet today and only got 1.12 Times Playthrough with only ONE spin over my bet and that by only 50 cents!!!!

    MaryJean
     
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  16. Jan 4, 2015
  17. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    Am I reading your post right? :confused:
    Sounds like you're saying you had a total of 35 free spins and were disappointed with the results?
    35 spins is no where even remotely enough to judge if any slot is being "tight" or not.

    KK
     
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  18. Jan 4, 2015
  19. bigjohn

    bigjohn Meister Member MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Swimming Pool Serviceman
    Location:
    Northeast Coastal USA
    I think the fact is that RTG slots are terrible, paywise. That being said I don't think they are all that much different from any other brand of slots, they are all terrible!

    Anytime you get a substantial win you have been extremely lucky and a substantial win is the only thing of any use to most US players. The problem here in the good ole USA is that it is not cost effective to play any on-line slot game the way you should in order to maximize profits. Where on-line casinos are endorsed by the 'powers that be' you can deposit $20 and cashout $60, you can't do that here.

    The fact that you need a big win in order to cashout will always make any of these games seem 'tight' to us.

    I find it relatively easy to double or triple my original deposit rather quickly but unless you want to deposit $100 or more at a time a 2X or 3X win doesn't bring joy.

    I've read some stories from Spintee where he will deposit $7 and cashout $16. That is beautiful and how you should be able to play.
     
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  20. Jan 4, 2015
  21. Deanna

    Deanna Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Administrative
    Location:
    Ohio
    That's exactly my problem. I only deposit $25-30 at a time, I usually have no trouble doubling that. It's getting the bankroll up to a point where as a US player it's worth the "wait" of cashing out. A couple of days ago I had $11 and hit the Minor Jackpot on Triple Twister (scared the crap out of me) for $318. Then later (different deposit - lost the $300) I hit $500 on Triple Twister feature but of course wanted to keep playing. I never increased my bet from the .50 I was originally betting and no matter what I played I couldn't hit anything. So, gone. It breaks my heart. 3 times I was up to over $300 over the last week and didn't cash out. It's not worth it when I have to wait a week to see it. But then I go through the heartache of "Dammit, why didn't you cash out!!". Grrrr. I have days I just think the heck with it, I'm done. But oh I do love to play and it's those moments of hitting that keep you coming back. I can't imagine what it would be like to do a cash out and have the money within a day! That would be heaven!
     
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  22. Jan 4, 2015
  23. psychogene

    psychogene Senior Member

    Occupation:
    This and That
    Location:
    Australia
    Can someone fill me in due to my lack of knowledge/experience but how different is it for US players as compared to the rest? Is it to do with the withdrawal fees or the length of time it takes for a withdrawal to reach its destination or both? I could deal with withdrawal times taking a week but not high withdrawal fees as it puts me off.

    I have read some threads and because I have not been gambling online for that long (about 5-6 months now) I don't really know how big the difference is for the US Market other than providers like MG and NetEnt aren't really playable in the US.

    Deanna - Like you I only deposit about $20-50 a time when I play and I try to cash out at minimum $100 - thats in theory of course. The reality is more often than not I think I've hit that lucky streak and keep going and quite a few times I'd reach even $200 or $300 but I enter a state of passive thinking and a few hours later more often than not I am back down to my original deposit or $0. Whats even worst is when I cash out and decide to reverse withdrawal it the next day or in two days and slowly deplete my winnings to oblivion. My biggest mistake in the past was winning $350 from a $20 deposit on tomb raider but losing it all and making deposits totally $300 to try and hit it big again to no avail.

    Its true those moments of the 'big wins' keeps me coming back but I am TRYING to learn now after long streaks of small deposits and no cashout that I just have to accept the fact that money is lost and when I next deposit to start afresh and not think about ANY previous sessions - big wins or losts. Only thing I keep track of is my bank balance and to make sure I never go above my disposable income.
     
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  24. Jan 4, 2015
  25. Deanna

    Deanna Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Administrative
    Location:
    Ohio
    I use PayMyCard or CardForce and it usually takes 4 days which isn't terrible. But if I'm not mistaken in other places people can cash out and it's fairly fast, like a day? I could be wrong. It's only a $9 fee to use the above so I have no issues with that. I play exclusively at CWC and the nice thing is my cash out is always processed the following day so if I can hold strong I don't reverse it. What I really should do is make a rule for myself to only play on Sunday. That way I'd know my cash out would hit Monday morning and I'd have the money by Thursday. Nothing messes me up more than playing on a Friday, why cash out when I have to wait for Monday for it to happen? LOL
     
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  26. Jan 4, 2015
  27. slotmaster

    slotmaster Ueber Meister

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    I made the mistake of playing Aladdin gold casino, How is this casino part of club world? Most frustrating playing experience in awhile, you want to talk about TIGHT! Felt like 30% RTP.:D
     
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  28. Jan 4, 2015
  29. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    International Money Launderer
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    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    There may be something in this thread. As we know RTG supplies 3 different math models to its casinos, 91/93/95% IIRC.

    If you check out this thread of mine a while back, you'll see the HUGE exponential effect a difference of a mere 2% in RTP will make to the longevity of your deposit.

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56164

    A 2% reduction in RTP means on average just over half of the playtime you could have expected before the reduction. If you are playing a 95% RTG site you will get similar playtime to us in the UK on MG/Netent etc. which range from 95-98% slots.

    If I were to join a RTG site on 93 or 91% I'd tell the difference in minutes from what I am used to. So no foil hats here, it seems you are suffering the genuine effects of lower-RTP play.
     
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  30. Jan 4, 2015
  31. GGW Laurie

    GGW Laurie Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Self Employed
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    In the Beautiful South !!
    Not even close KK , what I am saying is when you do get free spins , if your lucky enough , they pay for crap:eek: The regular play is just as bad most of the time as well. I have been playing too long and may not use all the big long fancy words but use everyday gaming people terms , the RTG slots are tighter , plain and simple English:D

    US players do not have the options of playing anywhere we wish like most on CM and have few good casinos to play with , the market is huge in the US and they know this and that we are gonna play , so they kind of have the US player to an advantage , just my feelings on this matter !

    I wish you could put yourself in a US players shoes for once and see what we have to do in order to online gamble , you would not be a happy camper , this I can assure you !

    Laurie
     
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  32. Jan 4, 2015
  33. MaryJean

    MaryJean Senior Member MM

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    Rancher
    Location:
    Northern California
    Laurie-----WELL SAID!

    MaryJean
     
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  34. Jan 4, 2015
  35. slotmaster

    slotmaster Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    Being great and stressed
    Location:
    stressville
    I just played again on club world, $200 and no free spins at all! Right at the end just now I finally hit some free spins on rain dance, 1 I hit NOTHING in 10 free spins and the other 2 were under 10x bet. The one miracle I hit 20 bucks on a .40 cent bet. Max bet was .80 cents on any slots mostly minimum bets, Barely a hour playtime.:(


    I have a feeling they are paying the lowest rtp cause that stupid spirit of the inca jackpots are going to be paid out soon.;)
     
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  36. Jan 4, 2015
  37. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall

    I can't begin to imagine how bad it is for USA players not in NJ. You've got a maximum RTP of 95% at RTG sites, maybe a bit more at 3Dice. Then you've got limited methods of deposit. Even worse it's grief getting paid out, and I know some US players have stated getting payments in a day or two at some of the accredited RTG sites but the majority wait 7-28 days for a cheque that they may or may not have difficulty in depositing. When they get paid out they have exorbitant fees on some occasions which mean that unlike us (who can be happy depositing £25, winning £50 and cashing it out usually fee-free) they often lose deposits that we wouldn't because they have to play on for a decent w/d to cover the fees.

    Then the RTG bonuses, despite lower RTP's are massively EV-- for the players who can only dream of getting £100 with 15xWR and unlimited cash-out that we can at Bet-at say if we turnover 5k in a month. As Bryan said recently when a poster bitched about a small delay or bonus at Bet-at or Guts? to paraphrase "You should think yourself damn lucky you can play at sites like that!"

    I took a step back here when I read this thread, as I compared the 2 scenarios. The UK where at least half of the people here reside is probably the best and biggest market. Australia has pro-rata more gamblers but a quarter of the population. Canada has restrictions on some softwares and payment methods. The US is potentially the largest online market but their consumer laws make it hard hence there being far fewer online players than here. Italy, France and Germany are heavily regulated. So it's easy for us to sound spoilt. It must make your blood boil when we whinge about having a 50x bonus WR or waiting 2 days for a cash-out.

    My intent is not to 'rub it in' but to give the reader an objective view on the vast differences between the nations of our membership. We in the UK and our northern neighbours in Scandinavia can play anywhere, and any software from Bally to Betsoft, from IGT to RTG, from MG to Playtech. The biggest softwares aside from Netent are usually UK or USA, yet the Americans can't play most of their own games. So it's easy to lose perspective on the posts of our American cousins.

    They have:

    Crap and restrictive bonuses.
    Generally get less playtime dollar-for-dollar due to lower RTP's.
    Aside from Rival, RTG and 3Dice proprietary no choice in software.
    Limited cash-out amounts on most sites.
    Staggered cash-outs paid weekly/monthly for simply winning a modest jackpot or say $5k+
    A far higher chance of encountering rogues.
    Ridiculous fees for many cash-out methods that in real terms mean an even lower RTP..
    Often long delays and slow cash-outs.
    No legal protection via a local Gaming Commission.

    So, I admire their tenacity in sticking with it, and also admire those like Karolina and US-facing accredited sites who make every effort to change things.

    So your plight doesn't fall on deaf ears as regards us lucky Brits and Scandinavians. Slowly but surely you will gradually get the same market privileges as we.:thumbsup:
     
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  38. Jan 4, 2015
  39. dougmanct

    dougmanct Experienced Member

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    software development
    Location:
    United States
    I'm tempted to suggest that we should be demanding disclosure of the current RTP settings for RTG games. The last credible insight to the matter is several years old and I would suggest, any information that old is essentially useless.

    Of course I realize that a) in a million, billion years, this will never be openly and transparently disclosed, and b) I will probably be thoroughly chastised / persecuted for even suggesting that the players have a right to know the current RTP at the US facing RTG casinos.

    We're supposed to just "trust" that they're not completely horrific (like in the 80's at this point) and not ask any uncomfortable questions.

    Meanwhile, those evil bitcoin casinos that are doing payouts in minutes and seem to have an increasing population of people reporting good experiences, well, we need to launch the spanish inquisition on them.

    I frankly don't draw a distinction as a player between a bootleg slot game and an "official" game when both refuse to disclose their RTP setting.

    (preparing to get flamed)
     
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