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Is it fair?

Discussion in 'America the Beautiful' started by just play, Nov 20, 2012.

    Nov 20, 2012
  1. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA
    I would like to hear any thoughts from players from all countries on this please. (I touched on this on another thread, but I don't think it's a thread non USA players would read)

    Is it fair that casinos take USA players but offer them very limited ways to deposit and withdrawal?

    On most withdrawals we have, there is a very high minimum to meet. Not very friendly to the small depositer.

    Some casinos have problems with their processors and our checks bounce. Some casinos take away certain withdrawal methods.

    Non USA players get paid sometimes in the same hour as withdrawal requested, sometimes 12 hours.

    USA players have to wait sometimes 48 hours just to get approved. Then have to wait sometimes a week to get paid, now some players are waiting a month.

    Is this fair?

    If they accept us as players, shouldn't our deposit and withdrawal options be exactly the same as non USA players?
     
  2. Nov 20, 2012
  3. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I think you may be forgetting that your Government has tried to ban ALL online casinos from taking American players.
    Therefore, moving money around is obviously going to be much more of a problem in the USA than in free countries.
    I am 100% sure casinos would LOVE to pay USA players as quickly and easily as the rest of us - but until your law-makers wake up & smell the coffee, that ain't gonna happen.

    It's Hobson's choice for Americans I'm afraid - put up with what you've got now - or don't play online at all. :(

    Is it fair that in the UK our greedy Government put about 200% tax on petrol, so that over here it costs more than $10 per gallon?
    Not it's not. So we also only have 2 choices - pay the exorbitant cost of gas - or don't drive. :(

    KK
     
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  4. Nov 20, 2012
  5. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
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    I understand our government pretty much sucks on gambling online.

    I honestly would much rather them not take us as players, but they decided to take us on as players, (it's their choice) we should be treated no different than non USA players.

    I only know of ONE casino where USA players do not run into withdrawal problems. Why is that? If this one casino can do it, why not all the others?
     
  6. Nov 20, 2012
  7. just play

    just play closed account

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    I didn't see this part earlier.

    That's horrible!!!


    But, are there certain gas stations that are say $5 a gallon? I would guess no. We have ONE casino that there is never any problems. Why?
     
  8. Nov 20, 2012
  9. cpdnd31

    cpdnd31 Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    ok USA here.

    1. I have to pay fee to load prepaid visa- usually anywhere from 3.99 to 4.99- That is just to deposit- so lets say I load my visa for 50.00 I have to pay 54.99.
    2. Now i need to use visa to deposit- fee deducted as well- anywhere from 1. or 2 dollars depending on prepaid which you must switch back and forth so they don't lock out your card. Also must include international fee- another 2. or 3. dollars.
    3. out of the 50 i want to play I can only deposit 45.00 so I've lost 5+4.00 so basically 10.00 before I even get the chance to spin.
    4. OK so now I'm playing I must withdraw a min of 300 to 350 to avoid all fees of transaction- (not including if my bank has a fee)
    5. If I use a card to withdraw funds too I get hit with a 10 to 15 dollar fee for using at an atm

    So as you can see I am already behind in money just to deposit and then have to try and win enough just to withdraw so my response is no its not fair..

    Now we can use our visa to buy - certs to deposit at certain casinos- however if you hit limit- then you must buy Ukash lets just say on Ukash this month I'm over 100 in fee's already.

    But what option do I have? If I want to play I have to jump though hoops and if I win I hold my breath to see if and when I will get paid - let alone withdrawal options are changing all the time- so todays banking info may be worthless the next day if arc ain't working. Also Credit unions do not have info most casinos want for arc.

    It use to be fun and I could actually make a nice monthly profit from playing online-
    Also there are only so many games you can play- I am honestly sick of looking at RTG - I would love to play rival however visa prepaid locked me down last time I tried them.

    There is no choice because of where we live- so we do what we have to just to play--

    the thing that really bugs me is if I take a bonus to try and double my deposit the play thru kills me - can't even catch a break there - I wish certain casinos would understand what we have to do just to deposit there- I mean they ask us to understand and be patient when we are waiting to withdraw.

    I'm not bitching trust me on that but when you say fair to a USA player- you need to know nothing about online gambling is fair to us.
     
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  10. Nov 20, 2012
  11. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    And my guess is that if they told anyone - especially players - they would lose their processor overnight.

    Players are their own worst enemies when it comes to payment processing. They post processors names, bank accounts, deposit methods and every single element of funding their casino accounts - and this is exactly the sort of information that is needed to shut a processor down by an aggrieved jurisdiction. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. Nov 20, 2012
  13. just play

    just play closed account

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    I like this post very much. You worded it much better than I ever could.


    I do understand your last line, I was just thinking if they want us as players don't you think they would find a way to make it much easier? Eventually don't you (or anyone reading this) think they will just lose us altogether? They will run out of ideas, processors, etc....




     
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  14. Nov 20, 2012
  15. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
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    My question to you Bryan would be why don't other casinos use this same type of deposit/withdrawal method?

    And just to veer off a bit, what do you think would happen if other governments started doing what our government is doing? Do you think there would be a big change of deposit and withdrawal methods? Or would all the casinos just shut down? I know it sounds idiotic, but other countries could in fact do the same as our government correct? Or is ours the only messed up one? lol.
     
  16. Nov 22, 2012
  17. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

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    And it's your choice to deposit and play. Nobody compels you to play. In fact, the fees involved and delays in payments and all the other headaches are very punitive. Yet, dedicated players continue to play, despite all this.

    I will say that I do not especially appreciate seeing other players speak for me. I am fine with the delays and fees. I would rather they didn't exist, but they are here to stay for the moment.

    When I don't want to deal with the delays, there are a couple places that stand out as very efficient. And I can also play at a B&M casino.
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2012
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  18. Nov 22, 2012
  19. cpdnd31

    cpdnd31 Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

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    I am not a politician. I was speaking for me and me alone. :D
     
  20. Nov 26, 2012
  21. lettingyouknow

    lettingyouknow Experienced Member

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    Also did not realize that players outside the USA have different cashout minimums why

    Quote Originally Posted by Casinomeister View Post
    Could you please send me a link where this is found? I can't find this anywhere.


    Same here. Are you saying that Slotocash only allows withdrawals of $350 or higher? Where is that located? Thanks!
    I am sure for Slotocash the $350 is only for American players it is 25 in other currencies I think.

    Is this the same for casinos like Club World I believe minimum is $350, do they have a different minimum w/d for other countries?


    Brooklyn, brought up a good point what if someone deposits $50 and plays 2 or 3 spins and then wants to w/d they wont be able to, at places like Club World, Slotocash, what is iNetbets min?

    I guess the bigger question is why is it different in other countries, say $25 minimum and the US players have a minimum of $350?
     
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  22. Nov 26, 2012
  23. Brooklyn

    Brooklyn Dormant account

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    All I am sayin' is that if they can process a $25 deposit from an American player then they shouldn't have a problem processing a $25 withdrawal for an American player.

    That's the only thing that bothers me. As far as that one casino that has no issues, well just like CM said...If they told anyone their secret it would just ruin it for the rest of us that still have that one casino we trust.
     
  24. Nov 26, 2012
  25. lettingyouknow

    lettingyouknow Experienced Member

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    Until yesterday reading the posts did not know

    Honestly, I did not know that there was a different Minimum withdrawal for US Players until yesterday, when I read the posts.

    So minimum w/d at the same casinos for US players is $350. And for players playing from other countries it is $25.
     
  26. Nov 26, 2012
  27. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA

    Kinda not fair is it? :D
     

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