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Is Blackjack favors the dealer or Player?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by robert_21, Dec 18, 2006.

    Dec 18, 2006
  1. robert_21

    robert_21 Dormant account

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    online game player
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    US
    Hi,
    I think Blackjack favors the dealer than player....
    bcoz The goal of each player is to beat the dealer by having the higher, unbusted hand. But if the player busts he loses, even if the dealer also busts therefore I feel Blackjack favors the dealer.
    Tell your opinion Blackjack favors the dealer or Player?
    Regards,
     
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  2. Dec 18, 2006
  3. mikepipe

    mikepipe Dormant account

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    i dont play BJ - but: its correct that player looses if he busts, on the other side the dealer must take at 16 and must not with 17 - player is allowed to do what he wants.
    What do you think about the housedge?

    and finally, there are a lot of threads about BJ in this forum, read them and i m sure they will help you.
    do you know Be the dealer? Ive never visited the side- but if the name is not lying, you cann hoose to deal the cards there (if the are still alive and accept us)
     
  4. Dec 19, 2006
  5. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Bexhill on sea, England
    Is this a trick question...? :eek2:
     
  6. Dec 19, 2006
  7. Reef

    Reef Dormant account

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    Blackjack, like every other casino game (except poker), has a house advantage. This means that the house - or dealer in this case - is expected to win in the long run. No betting strategy can overcome this edge. In short spurts you may win due to good luck, but your losing streaks will always out due your winning ones.

    With a .5% house edge, you should expect to lose 1 betting unit every 200 hands played. This is assuming you use correct playing strategy. As long as you realize this and just play blackjack for the thrill of the gamble, you're good to go :thumbsup:
     
  8. Dec 19, 2006
  9. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

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    Of course blackjack has a house advantage, that's why the casinos offer it.

    Actually, the player in blackjack has a lot more flexibility in the rules. He can split, and double down, and even choose to stand with a stiff hand. Also, a natural 21 pays him 3 to 2.

    The dealer on has one advantage, which you have already pointed out: if the player busts, and the dealer also busts, the player still loses. The fact that the player has to go first is responsible for the entirely of the house's advantage.
     
  10. Dec 19, 2006
  11. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    Why are people playing into his posts? Every single post he's made has had links to his site in them...that were subsequently removed.
     
  12. Dec 19, 2006
  13. Ronin

    Ronin Dormant account

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    Like most games BJ has a house edge, now this house edge depends on lots of factors. Like there are:

    Number of decks of cards used: 1 2 4 5 6 8
    Dealer hits or stands on a soft 17: stands hits
    Player can double after a split: no yes
    Player can double on: any first two cards 9-11 only 10-11 only

    and many more.

    If casinos arent carefull or dont know exactly what they are doing the house edge can turn into the player's favour.

    I use this link to determine what a casino's BJ house edge is, and then I decide wether I play there or not.

    You must register/login in order to see the link..

    Greetz

    Ronin
     
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  14. Dec 19, 2006
  15. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Software Developer
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    Denmark
    Welcome Ronin!
    Good first post you did here. You got a little reputation boost from me.

    What is 3dice casino? I saw it in your profile. I have not heard of it and I can not see what software provider is behind it.

    But let me guess, since you write you are a coder and also lives in belgium as does 3dice casino, maybe you are actually a coder for that casino provider?

    Zoozie
     
  16. Dec 19, 2006
  17. Ronin

    Ronin Dormant account

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    Hi Zoozie,

    tx for the warm welcome!

    It seems you did your homework verywell :) . Yes in my daytime job I'm a
    3D game artist/scripter. 3Dice.com is 1 of the projects Im participating in, by making prototypes for new games in 3D.

    Besides my daytime job, is gaming in general my biggest hobby, I'm the proud teamleader of You must register/login in order to see the link., a small gaming community that meets every day online to play whatever they desire at that moment.

    Additionally by making casino software I grew an interest in gaming/gambling-entertainement. Yes I like to spin the slots or throw the dice at a crapstable too :) !
    So over the years, I have come to learn alot about casino's, the gamerules, the maths involved, and most important, all the possible problems that can arise.

    So by being on both ends of the spectrum as a player and creator of games, Im hoping to be of some service to the community.

    Greetz,

    Ronin
     
  18. Dec 19, 2006
  19. aka23

    aka23 Dormant account

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    One of the few exceptions is Boss Media single deck BJ, where the player has a slight advantage over the dealer with optimal strategy. The house edge is generally:

    0.35 to 0.6% -- Standard Rules
    0.35 to 0.4% -- With Late Surrender
    -0.1 to 0.2% -- Single Deck
     
  20. Dec 19, 2006
  21. dealer wins

    dealer wins Experienced Member

    Occupation:
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    London the sh$thole
    For someone who's occupation is "online game player" thats a worrying question. Hope you don't decide to become an aircraft pilot anytime soon!!!!

    Anyway the answer to your question is that (as others have already said) BJ favours the dealer, and with basic strategy (google it) its under a 1% edge on a normal online game. Some games are better than others (Depends on rules, number of decks) and it is possible to find online BJ with a very small edge indeed.

    Mimicking the dealer on the other hand will give the house a much larger edge and will result in getting the sack from your said occupation very quickly indeed :lolup:
     
  22. Dec 19, 2006
  23. tencardcharlie

    tencardcharlie Dormant account

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    The game is probably counterstrike
     
  24. Dec 20, 2006
  25. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    What software is 3Dice casino using?

    Zoozie
     
  26. Dec 20, 2006
  27. Ronin

    Ronin Dormant account

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    3Dice is custom build with PIMtools.be , a complete 3D RealTime engine solution, what makes 3Dice a unique casino on the net.

    Did you try it by any chance :) ?

    Greetz,

    Ronin
     
  28. Dec 20, 2006
  29. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    I plan to, I just wanted to make sure it was not one of the known crooked casino softwares, since I will not waste any time on them.

    I will test the slots and Video-poker. I hope video-poker events comes from simulation a real deck of cards, and not from some slot-logic determining
    win and then showing cards matching ? These kind of things do people take for granted, and I would also called it rigged if it were not, but some software providers do not do this. I could not find such a statement on the 3dice-site regarding card-games.

    Zoozie
     
  30. Dec 20, 2006
  31. Ronin

    Ronin Dormant account

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    I can 100% assure you that the video-pokers are a simulation of a real deck.
    I wasnt aware either of the importance of such a notice on the website.
    Tx for pointing that out!

    We are currently adding 2 videoslots also.
    Enjoy!

    Ronin
     
  32. Dec 20, 2006
  33. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Denmark
    Most experienced online gamblers are very suspicious when it comes to new casino software providers. You can check the 'evil' section for multiple examples of croocked software, some of these are maybe not intended (OddsOn, B3W) and some are deliberate.

    Zoozie
     
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  34. Dec 20, 2006
  35. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Software Developer
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    Denmark
    I have downloaded 3dice and I am playing now. It is always fun to see now software.

    The '3D'-look seems only to apply for the table games (roulette, blackjack etc.) and it does look good. The slots and VP has no '3D' whatsoever about them. Also there are only 3-reel slots. It almost looks like VP+slots were implemented 10 years ago while the table games are up-to-date.

    About the VP: The VP games is too slow, you need to be able to play each hands two or three times as fast. The paytables seems standard (full pay) except for the RF at bet 5, which only gives 1250 for most (Dueces Wild etc.) and the full 4000 for others (Jacks or Better etc.). Is this an oversight?

    But autohold/autoplay seems very good. It actually seems to be able to hold correct. I watched JoB a lot and maybe 50 hands at dueces wild. Also there is an amazing numbers of different VP games, very impressive. And it is a shame there is no multi-videopoker.

    But keep up the good work!

    Zoozie
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2006
  36. Dec 20, 2006
  37. Ronin

    Ronin Dormant account

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    Coder
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    Belgium
    Hi Zoozie,

    tx for trying it out!

    In the settings menu (top left hand on your screen), there is a "change view" button. The VP machine is a near exact copy of the original IGT VP machine, like they were and some still are.

    Also in the settings menu, you can change the speed of the games.

    This is probably on oversight yes. Tx for pointing that out!

    Multi videopoker, 1-, 5-, 10-, 15-, 25-, 50 hand is being tested as we speak.
    Aswell are 2 videoslots.

    Greetz

    Ronin
     
  38. Dec 20, 2006
  39. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Software Developer
    Location:
    Denmark
    I missed that, and the fastest speed is good enough for me :)

    Zoozie
     

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