Irresponsible streamers & affiliates?

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joeycoco

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60$ "bet" on Lil devil. From all the (legitimate) casino's ive seen none of them had a bet higher then 20 a spin or some even 10. This tool promotes vague and rogue casino's (again) in curacao with 60$ spins. How is this even possible and supported on youtube really? Talking about irresponsible reckless streamers.
I was looking into YouTube's terms and conditions, apparently you can only stream from casinos approved by YouTube...something tells me that this casino isn't :) and I bet they'd do nothing about it if you reported him...shocking.!
 

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Twat with the hat €2.5million euro win in the base game on pragmatic fruit party now doing €1000 a spin on slots, on stake casino? Surely be a billionaire soon that bloke in Monopoly money
 

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surely the slot providers will say something soon about the fake affiliates and bogus wins? it has got to have an effect on their bottom line!
2.5million is a hell of a discrepancy to justify either as a slot provider or casino
 

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surely the slot providers will say something soon about the fake affiliates and bogus wins? it has got to have an effect on their bottom line!
2.5million is a hell of a discrepancy to justify either as a slot provider or casino
I also thought Prag had a max win on most of there slots
 

colinsunderland

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surely the slot providers will say something soon about the fake affiliates and bogus wins? it has got to have an effect on their bottom line!
2.5million is a hell of a discrepancy to justify either as a slot provider or casino
They made it clear on here, before they ran away, that they don't care.
 

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What’s actually the score at the moment regarding gambling content on YouTube?

This morning without logging in (was using work pc) I could watch Nickslots live stream and the awful Chipmonkz live? Yet if I click on any of rolla’s vids they’re all age gated. I can also watch Dazzas latest without signing in either. Bandits latest vid and hideous slots are all available to watch with no age verification either???

Is it one rule for some and different for others?!!

Obv Hideous and chip have fucked off to Ireland but chip still has advertisements for casinos plastered all over his content?
 

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Dunno who really take these streamers really seriously, for me it just somehow feels that if i see Spiderman or Superman in telly, i right away think that i can do same i saw they did in movie.

Are people these days really incompetent to use their brains and understand that you don't really win from slots and playing them is one of the most stupid thing financially and just come problem gamblers after seeing some stream and started to think this way i can get rich? If yes, i start to lose my hope in the human population.

If i ever hear my daughter playing slots, she can forget her inheritance right away, can figure out around million better ways to spend money than donating it to online casinos..
 

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If you are marketing in your videos, i.e. offering specific named casino review links to your 3rd. party site with the casino featured in the video, sponsored by the casino/displaying their brand or talking about their offers etc. then if aimed at UK players you should age gate content. So in other words the videos are involved in the promotion of gaming of UKGC-licensed operators to UK viewers.

Personal gambling activity including none of the above has no requirement to age-gate which is why you get millions of videos of people say in US land-based casinos, UK pubs/bookies or online casinos without it. It's difficult to police for YT as numerous news articles for example will feature gambling and also YT do NOT classify gambling as 'Harmful Content' like weapons, political extremism, false health messages etc. YT do not allow direct casino marketing links in videos or comments either, only your own third-party site. As you will see, the streamers are careful to avoid this because of strikes.

As for streamers moving to Ireland, this is a grey area as IF in their activities they can recruit or advertise to UK players and then get paid by UKGC casinos/affiliate programmes for doing so then they should age-gate. It seems that they think by moving out of the UK (unless for lower taxes) they are exempt from UKGC LCCP etc. guidelines and although UK players are only maybe a fraction of their recruits it still results in them being able to not age gate AND recruit UK players in breach of these guidelines and rules. This is what I mean by a grey area. So they are operating according to the rules of more 'lenient' or less regulated markets but then recruiting UK under that criteria, so what is the solution? The only way I can see is that their affiliate programmes do not allow or pay for any UK players if they are advertising from a less-regulated jurisdiction.

I think old coffeegrounds is a classic example - a big channel, part-owned by a UKGC licensed casino Leo Vegas that promote a lot of UK-licensed sites and therefore recruit UK players whilst not age gating promotional content because the majority of their markets don't require them to do so. So they are getting players in other markets but NOT distinguishing those players from UK which leads me back to my point at the end of the above paragraph. And therein lies the issue - it would be a terrible business decision for them to age-gate everything as judging by their views and video quantity they are getting thousands per month in YT ads revenue which would decrease 95% if they acted according to UK rules. So would they sacrifice substantial ad revenues just for one out tens of their markets?

Ultimately it's down to the affiliate programmes to decipher the permutations of locations, licensing jurisdictions and geo-separation because clearly there is a conflict arising from different rules in various markets and the fact the gambling businesses are multinational. Remember YT has no requirement to age-gate and we have to distinguish between gambling as an activity and the marketing of gambling brands.
 

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Seems some interpret the rules different to others then. Either that or the rules are not strict and straight forward enough.

Some are just quite happy to crack on regardless with little care whilst the others who tow the line (normally the better ones with better morals) suffer the most.
 

colinsunderland

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Seems some interpret the rules different to others then. Either that or the rules are not strict and straight forward enough.

Some are just quite happy to crack on regardless with little care whilst the others who tow the line (normally the better ones with better morals) suffer the most.
The rules couldn't be simpler.
If you promote to the UK then you must age gate. That is it.
Certain casinos seem to think it doesn't apply to them, and will be the first to cry when they get a penalty, for example, Playgrand & Videoslots two from here for example.
 

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The rules couldn't be simpler.
If you promote to the UK then you must age gate. That is it.
Certain casinos seem to think it doesn't apply to them, and will be the first to cry when they get a penalty, for example, Playgrand & Videoslots two from here for example.
Yes, but this is the paradox I mentioned above - so say one of those casinos has an affiliate streamer/YT'er, or is sponsoring a video or stream or is simply being promoted in any video by an affiliate, then how (if the streamer or channel is not adhering to UK LCCP because of choice or non-UK jurisdiction) do they ensure that the material doesn't generate any UK sign-ups?

That could only be ensured if the affiliate programme under the casino's guidance made the affiliate have a specific campaign ID for YT which wouldn't allow payment for UK. That wouldn't be possible anyway as there's no way you can block your YT material from a specific geo and secondly direct YT links to casino promos are forbidden so the sign-ups should only come from the YT'ers homepage - at that point there's no way of knowing if that new player from the UK arrived there via the YT homepage link permitted (posted under a non-LCCP compliant promo video/stream) or from say Google search?

So streamers and casinos using affiliates on YT have two choices due to the fact their material is available to viewers in ALL countries:

1. Be UK-compliant and eschew thousands in YT ad money from viewers outside the UK (as per my coffeegrounds example in my big post above) OR
2. Ignore them because the UK is only one market, and run the risk of recruiting at least some UK players in breach of LCCP.

It's simply impossible to cleanly separate the various jurisdictions in a one-size-fits-all platform like YT.

The only solution I can see would be for the UKGC to forbid any license holders promoting, or their streamers/affs, on YT altogether. Pretty much like the LCCP did regarding Twitch, as it was simply impossible for Twitch to be compliant due to lack of effective age-gating whereas the issue is now cross border marketing which has exposed weaknesses.
 

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Doesn’t Dazza promote to the UK? His logo is in view (just!) with a link to his website in description?

So does hideous, chip, bandit? None of these age gate?

Rolla is the only one it seems that does. Craigs vids ?? Well some are some aren’t!!!
 

colinsunderland

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Yes, but this is the paradox I mentioned above - so say one of those casinos has an affiliate streamer/YT'er, or is sponsoring a video or stream or is simply being promoted in any video by an affiliate, then how (if the streamer or channel is not adhering to UK LCCP because of choice or non-UK jurisdiction) do they ensure that the material doesn't generate any UK sign-ups?

That could only be ensured if the affiliate programme under the casino's guidance made the affiliate have a specific campaign ID for YT which wouldn't allow payment for UK. That wouldn't be possible anyway as there's no way you can block your YT material from a specific geo and secondly direct YT links to casino promos are forbidden so the sign-ups should only come from the YT'ers homepage - at that point there's no way of knowing if that new player from the UK arrived there via the YT homepage link permitted (posted under a non-LCCP compliant promo video/stream) or from say Google search?

So streamers and casinos using affiliates on YT have two choices due to the fact their material is available to viewers in ALL countries:

1. Be UK-compliant and eschew thousands in YT ad money from viewers outside the UK (as per my coffeegrounds example in my big post above) OR
2. Ignore them because the UK is only one market, and run the risk of recruiting at least some UK players in breach of LCCP.

It's simply impossible to cleanly separate the various jurisdictions in a one-size-fits-all platform like YT.

The only solution I can see would be for the UKGC to forbid any license holders promoting, or their streamers/affs, on YT altogether. Pretty much like the LCCP did regarding Twitch, as it was simply impossible for Twitch to be compliant due to lack of effective age-gating whereas the issue is now cross border marketing which has exposed weaknesses.
If they are marketing any casino to the UK, then they have to age gate on youtube, otherwise the casino is in breach of their LCCP. It really is that simple, you are looking to closely at it. If they are not targeting the UK, they don't have to.

For example, and picking this one as he is mentioned regularly, but he is far away from the only one

Went to his twitch account, the latest video
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The part I've highlighted on chat (which I found just by flicking forward on it). That is undeniably targeting UK customers. Nowhere else uses £'s, so advertising a £100 sign up bonus is aimed at UK customers. Playluck are in breach of their LCCP for allowing that, and not closing his account.

On his 'about' page on twitch you get this

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When you click it you get

httxxx//xxchipmonkzslots.com/offers-2

which is a page full of advertising. Almost all are advertised in UK£. Therefore targeting the UK. Every single casino on that page with an offer in £'s is in breach of their LCCP. There is no disputing that.

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They cannot claim not to be targeting the UK when they are advertising UK welcome bonuses.

This is what the LCCP states

A requirement that organic YouTube content produced by an operator and operators’ own YouTube channels must be age-restricted to 18+ to ensure users log in to age-verified accounts in order to view content.

and

61. The Gambling Commission are clear that operators will be held responsible for any marketing carried out by their affiliates. As such, operators are expected to ensure that all relevant Code requirements are also followed by their affiliate marketers.

Compliance with the above is expected to be managed by way of a contractual obligation to comply with a Code of Conduct for the affiliate party. Operators are expected to terminate relationships with affiliates who cannot/do not comply, preferably on a one strike and you’re out rule.

Note the 'expected' part, it isn't advisory or a suggestion, it is mandatory. By not doing so they are breaching their LCCP.
 

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Breaking news from shithole!
1 mil RAW (i don't have right emo for this, sry).

I bet they never saw or experience more then 3k a month in real life, on bank account or cash.
:D

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If they are marketing any casino to the UK, then they have to age gate on youtube, otherwise the casino is in breach of their LCCP. It really is that simple, you are looking to closely at it. If they are not targeting the UK, they don't have to.

For example, and picking this one as he is mentioned regularly, but he is far away from the only one

Went to his twitch account, the latest video
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The part I've highlighted on chat (which I found just by flicking forward on it). That is undeniably targeting UK customers. Nowhere else uses £'s, so advertising a £100 sign up bonus is aimed at UK customers. Playluck are in breach of their LCCP for allowing that, and not closing his account.

If these all streamers are targeting to IOM or other places which are not really under UKGC but use £ as currency? :)
 

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If these all streamers are targeting to IOM or other places which are not really under UKGC but use £ as currency? :)
Yes, there's another twist. In Colin's example above, yes his third-party site might use £'s and have UK offers, but the direct advertising in the video is in euros? I see, yes, the comments have links for UK casino offers in £'s. So a breach is indeed present. Sorry, I don't watch streamers so it's not natural territory for me to examine.
 

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Yes, there's another twist. In Colin's example above, yes his third-party site might use £'s and have UK offers, but the direct advertising in the video is in euros? I see, yes, the comments have links for UK casino offers in £'s. So a breach is indeed present. Sorry, I don't watch streamers so it's not natural territory for me to examine.
ok, so I have checked with the UKGC regarding the third party site, and their response was that, if that site is being promoted from the video/comments then that would be considered a breach, as if a promotional link directs to a page promoting UK casinos, then the content would be considered to be promoting those too.
 

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This issue is not going to go away especially from the Twitch platform although on this he seems to think Twitch will do jack shit about the issue.
This says much about the pure scum who promote the various crypto sites wont even bother mentioning the names here but you will hear of them in this video. And @Pragmatic Play Official are right in with this lot as many of the "mega wins" are on games they produce.

Anyway dont know if this video been posted before but worth a listen to - he speaks alot of sense.

 

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This issue is not going to go away especially from the Twitch platform although on this he seems to think Twitch will do jack shit about the issue.
This says much about the pure scum who promote the various crypto sites wont even bother mentioning the names here but you will hear of them in this video. And @Pragmatic Play Official are right in with this lot as many of the "mega wins" are on games they produce.

Anyway dont know if this video been posted before but worth a listen to - he speaks alot of sense.

Love this post n so over these toxic rtp stealing fake money cancers but one thing out of the whole video I have to disagree with is where he says someone winning 200k off a $50 deposit.

My immortal romance mega hit @32red back in 2015 started off as a $99 deposit n 100% match which got to around 6k at one point and because I had a 4k cash our the previous week from there I went in hard n risked it all winning 176k on a $30 bet so miracles like that as rare as they are can happen to people with the courage to raise their stakes.

Not to the patterns that these streamers seem to get a 5000x once every couple of months but it technically is possible and i am living proof of it.
 

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Love this post n so over these toxic rtp stealing fake money cancers but one thing out of the whole video I have to disagree with is where he says someone winning 200k off a $50 deposit.

My immortal romance mega hit @32red back in 2015 started off as a $99 deposit n 100% match which got to around 6k at one point and because I had a 4k cash our the previous week from there I went in hard n risked it all winning 176k on a $30 bet so miracles like that as rare as they are can happen to people with the courage to raise their stakes.

Not to the patterns that these streamers seem to get a 5000x once every couple of months but it technically is possible and i am living proof of it.

Sure mega wins can and do happen. For £2.50 you can make millions if you hit lucky on the euromillions but it is rare very rare.

I think what he was getting at was the absurdity that these toxic streamers attempt to pass of the play as if its self funded. And the bonus buys are totally ridiculous. A 1 million win on a slot is becoming the norm for these streamers and when that dont do it anymore it will be 5 mill - 10 mill and then the fabled billion.
 
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