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Keyser

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my last 4 'bad beats'

1.
me: T7c p1: 66 p2: XX p3: XX

flop: 9s 8d 6h -> he bet $8 I call, p2,3 fold

turn: Kd -> he bet $34, me raise $63.5, he calls &

river: 8 :((((((

2.
me: AKh (bad & loose) player1: As 9d p2: XX

flop: Ad 8h 9h -> they check to me I bet $3, p2 raise $6, p1 raise $9 I call, p2 fold

turn: 8s -> he bet $14.9 I call

river: Ac even boat didnt saved me :((((

3.
me: T9c p1: 66 p2: XX

flop: 3h 2c 6c

turn: 8c (my flush!)

river 3c (he getting boat, same situation as No1!)

4.
just several mins before 3. same player p1 won me, we both had flush at river only he had nut flush!

Hand 1: There are 10 cards not reveled that can beat you on the river(One 6, 3 8s, 3 9s, and 3 Kings). Since we know what 8 of the remaining cards are based on your description, that is 10/44 = 23%. Certainly not unheard of.

Hand 2: He has you beat on the flop! Not to mention the turn and river. Top two pair versus your top pair and K kicker. If you would have won that hand, it would have been a bad beat for him! Yes, you had the best hand pre-flop, but please! Best hand pre-flop does not a conspiracy make.

Hand 3: He not only has the best hand pre-flop, he has you beat at the flop. Yes, you caught your flush card on the turn, but once again he has 10 cards that can beat you on the river. I can hardly call this a bad beat.

Hand 4: Player catches same flush card that you needed on river, only he has the better flush. Meaning he had you beat before the river as well. And you are complaining?!?!?!?!?

I will give you credit for one things. You certainly have the Phil Hellmuth act down when you suffer an allegedly "bad beat."
 

c7poker

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Wow, thx again for replies guys.. :thumbsup:

BUT

you still missing point, WHY NOONE SPEAK ABOUT WHAT HAPPEN TO ME THOSE 2 DAYS..

When more things come at you that may not be by accident..

I do agree with most of you, those hands been my last bad beats so why should I lie.. may not say that hands been special, I already said that lol but look I lost two times the same way!! And both times I has 80 and he only 20% of chance to win!! (yes those nasty 66s!)

AND WHY NOONE TALK ABOUT: "WHAT IF THEY ARE REALLY GUILTY & MESSED MY PLAY UNFAIRLY..." - UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DO AND THE WAY THEY WORK, HONEST COMPANY WOUND NEVER ACT THAT WAY!! (+ did you see that certificate?!.. whats that? farce..)

WHY (the hell) MOST OF YOU JUMP OVER SOME FACTS, SO WHAT IF THEY ARE BAD.. WHAT I (WE) MAY DO?! THATS MY QUESTION..

UNDERSTAND THEY CONFIRMED THAT (my complains!), AND I WILL POST YOU THEIR REPLIES..

and one more time: yes I playing now at Party & winning there.. BUT those $3,000++ I wouldnt left to stay at them.. NO, NO WAY!

SO WHAT YOU THINK I (WE) MAY DO + WHAT MORE PROOFS TO GET THEM SOMEHOW?!

p.s. Let me hear some facts here & what you think about my accusations, and jump over irelevant things.. some of you act the same as they did!.. and let we do not repeat things... all bad beats after that June 23rd c'mon what we speak here!! READ ME ALL BETS OVER 10BB I MAY NOT WIN + WHY NOONE OF YOU TAKING MY BET??? YOU WILL PLAY MY CARDS (AA, KK, AKs..) AND ME YOURS (27o, 38o..) WHAT BETTER PROOF YOU WANT?! (I am sure min 3 times by row you will win... so I will win bet ;) )
 

swampwitch

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One more time, ISNT weird that since that date June 22rd I been almost each day in plus after all minus!! And now I again winning at Party..

If you start losing at Party, what will you blame for that?

Seriously though, why would any poker room, regardless of software or group, give a rat's ass if YOU IN PARTICULAR were winning or not? Many of the best players in the world play online as well as in "real life", and yet you hear nothing from them that any online outfit is "out to get them". You're no more special than the rest of us schmucks.
 

c7poker

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Do you limp into these pots? I'm thinking you do.

Some times yes, but some times no I bet and raise.. whats your point and what that has with final issu? And what is interesting here, I always losin to 1 opponent!! Did you noticed that??
 

winbig

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I will give you credit for one things. You certainly have the Phil Hellmuth act down when you suffer an allegedly "bad beat."


:lolup: :lolup:

Yep, the only difference here is Phil is one of the best players in the world...and most of the time he actually has a reason to bitch.

You really need to brush up on % of how far you're ahead or behind in a hand dude. You apparently think having the nuts on the flop cannot be beaten, but when you do get beat you think it's rigged; even though they still had a decent chance to win.

i7, as it's been said before, your version of a bad beat is very misconstrued. The only beat I see there is hand #1.

You leave out betting details on #3, and all details on #4. Why? How large was your flush vs his nut flush? Were there 4 to a flush on the board or 3? Were either of you betting the draw, or were you both limping to the river? Did anyone have a pair to fall back on if the flush didn't hit?

Needless to say these hands are normal. In no way does it imply that it's rigged.

I suggest you stick, or move to live poker instead of online. You'll be doing yourself a favor.

And, as it's been said before, why would they single you out?


And for losing to one player those 4 hands....maybe because he could read you like a book, and outplay you? All of which he did except for hand #1 where he drew out on you.

Like hand 2, he put a weak raise in there to keep you in the pot when he knew he had you beat. Same thing for the turn.

What was his bet on the river? Was he all in on turn?
 
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c7poker

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Wow what few of you trying to say here "I playing only champs at those $1, $2.. tables" c'mon.. :p

And one more time let me hear some answers & or facts.. we surely has different playing styles n knowledges.. no need to discuse about it :cool:

talk more about important things & answer me on some of my Qs and accusations..


Interesting new look Bryan, looks interesting n nice :)
 

winbig

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Wow what few of you trying to say here "I playing only champs at those $1, $2.. tables" c'mon.. :p

And one more time let me hear some answers & or facts.. we surely has different playing styles n knowledges.. no need to discuse about it :cool:

I think it has everything to do with it. You claim it's a setup, but if you would have pushed them out of the hand in the first place, you wouldn't have gotten beat. Nothing makes up for bad play.
 

Keyser

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Wow what few of you trying to say here "I playing only champs at those $1, $2.. tables" c'mon.. :p

And one more time let me hear some answers & or facts.. we surely has different playing styles n knowledges.. no need to discuse about it :cool:

talk more about important things & answer me on some of my Qs and accusations..


Interesting new look Bryan, looks interesting n nice :)

:lolup: :lolup: :lolup:

You've posted numerous incoherent, rambling posts with little in the way of facts. You've shown one screenshot of being folded with a winning hand and a whole lot of speculation about how the casino is rigged against you with little in the way of evidence. A claim that you are normally a winner so if you are losing, it must be rigged is NOT evidence.

The only hands you posted as your evidence, which we are taking your word on as true , show that you had a little bad luck on one hand, some good luck followed by bad luck on another, and two hands which you were losing the whole time. The fact that you cited these hands as "bad beats" only goes to prove what most people here suspect, namely that you are simply a bad poker player.

You cannot possibly expect anyone to take your "wager" seriously. Even though I shouldn't I will indulge you in your fantasy and tell you that if you were to try to set up such a wager, the casino would subsequently blacklist both parties since you would need to collude by telling each other what hands you have and discuss the wagering, which I am quite sure is a severe violation of their T&Cs. They would probably also confiscate all funds in both accounts.

I also am amused by the fact that you faulted their support for not speaking English in your first post when the grammar in your posts is, ahem, "below average." Im guessing that their English is probably better than yours.

And finally, lets not forget your anti-semitic conspiracy theory. A sure-fire way to earn brownie points on this forum! :rolleyes:
 

c7poker

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I do not plan to discuse with some of you about irrelevant or stupid & also well known things!

About my english: "I been very pissed after last chat I had with marketing director at PlayTech.." + isnt easy to say all and to be precise & right to the point..

BUT few of you surely missed, not point, POINTS. (you wouldnt see tree in wood for sure ;))

AND LET ME ASK YOU: HOW YOU MAY SO STUPID OR STUBBORN TO DEFEND THEM? LET WE PLAY THOSE HANDS I SUGGEST TO SEE WAHT WILL HAPPEN!

NO ISNT POSSIBLE TO BE ALL THE TIME IN MINUS, AND HAS ALL BAD BEATS. IF SOME OF YOU ARE REALLY IDIOTS TO NOT REALISE THAT FACT THEN OKAY WE DO NOT HAS ANYTHING MORE TO DISCUSE.

And as last let me ask you: how many money you earnt or do you has any 1st place with several hundreds of players..??! I DO HAS, WON EVEN 2400 players and several times.

And one more question for you: how would you react in situation as mine, after 1st day your play been messed with their software & another you simply been kicked from tournament, and everything worked fine?! (at last they are in obligation to answer me what happen and caused that + surely compensate caused loss!! = thats how serious n honest company will do for sure!! not playing games & just buying time till you leave & forget all and say what the hell.. f**k my $3,000.. no thats not me)


Last try to point you whats important what is not.. read again what happen to me, how they work & why they hide informations, talk with thier support alive as I did after several times they do not know any more for who they work is it Titan, CD or Noble.. and last is nor any serious reply from mentioned companies I received yet (maybe I will post that 1 I got indirectly from iPoker, then you wil see!)
 

tennis_balls

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c7....from the little evidence you have provided here, it sounds as though you may be a decent tournament player. However your cash game and bankroll management skills are lacking.

while it sucks that you hit a down streak, you will never improve your game until you can at least accept that your play may have contributed to your going bust.

why don't you go to another site and prove to us that you are a great player. i double-dare you to take me up on this offer!
 

c7poker

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c7....from the little evidence you have provided here, it sounds as though you may be a decent tournament player. However your cash game and bankroll management skills are lacking.

while it sucks that you hit a down streak, you will never improve your game until you can at least accept that your play may have contributed to your going bust.

why don't you go to another site and prove to us that you are a great player. i double-dare you to take me up on this offer!

OK, one more proof:

I start playing at Party with $500 and now I has $1,144.. plus spent some $ on other games and like bingo (even its pure luck). And do not play tournaments at all just tried few and lost.. I LOVE $ TABLES, and longer play, usually need some time to adapt my play for 1. maniacs 2. too agressive players.. then I am one who lead play :thumbsup:
 

bpb

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Come back and post when you're BUSTO

Also, what's your screenname on Party?
 

juliet

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Noble & Titan

I have been playing at these two sites for awhile now. I have had moments where it does seem like one player "knows" what the river card with be. Betting on an inside straight for instance and beating out other hands. Sure once in awhile you take that chance but some players do this over and over and always win. Just strange sometimes. I know the side games, i.e. video poker, have taken more money from me than I care to remember.
I used to play at William Hill afew years ago and did pretty well. I never tried to cash out, just used it to play. But saw some negative things about them on here and was wondering if there is any new information on them? I have searched this site but can't seem to find anything recent. Thanks for any help.
 

c7poker

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As 1st, we all may chaise or play bad cards as trying luck and so on.. but when you lose good hand with lucky river or double runner + we play in bigger amount BUT our opponent do not wish to fold his losing (ok winning lol) hand as he knows what will come thats really weird! Ok may happen to anyone once for a while or even twice a day BUT if happen more times then something surely ISNT ok.

I do not claim anything, for each site (network!) we should discuse separately BUT more and more I play its getting obvious how some/they built their RNGs! Not random at all!!

Plus, whats also important for us to know:

DOES THEY DEAL (ALL) CARDS BEFORE EACH HAND (AS SHOULD & KEEP IT SECRET!) OR EACH FLOP/TURN/RIVER BEEN 'CALCULATED' <- HERE IS POINT WHERE I SUSPECT THE MOST

In that we may include long "bad beats" as happen to me many times, as site force you to play, with good cards, then giving you flop where you has top pair or 4 of same color.. and then what? you do not winning nor 1 hand.. ok let say that is also posible BUT how that happening all over again?? And what if been followed by losing cards as AA, KK.. then getting obvious that isnt your day! OK 1 day, but what if last longer... IM GETTING SURE THAT THEN WE MAY REALLY SUSPECT IN SETUPS or JUST PLAYING VERSUS HOUSE PLAYERS WHO TAKING SOME HANDS WHICH SHOULD WE WIN (yes those hands we talk here when you get called with J2o and we holding QQ and he only has 2 at flop and get lucky J at river!! <- just example)

AND ONE MORE IMPORTANT THING IS! When all bad happen, you fold your average cards as let say 97o and what each time you fold cards you may call you gettin great flop.. thats how they WASH OUR BRAIN & EMPTY OUR POCKETS, no matter what you do call or not you wouldnt get that next when you call, even if you get no big deal at all you will earn just small!!
 

winbig

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you do call or not you wouldnt get that next when you call, even if you get no big deal at all you will earn just small!!

You're going to see this both offline and online. Difference is, you're going to see this more often online.

Think about it..where else can you play 60+ hands an hour? Definately not offline.
 

The Watchdog

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Amazing Thread.. tons of things to discuss

I consider my self a Playtech Fan... I love their gaming software as well as the admin software.

One thing I do dislike and hate about them is that most of the companies who run Playtech are a bunch of scammers and Playtech does nothing about it.

Sites like:

CD Poker aka Club Dice Casino
Bet Royal
Joyland
among others... have given this brand an awful reputation. Never the less, thera are few sites which are amazing:

Bet365 (weird they use Microgaming poker)
The Main Street Group
XXl Club Casino...

I dont believe the starter of this thread took the time to write that post only to give some trouble to them. I am pretty sure he did face some problems with them.

Let me tell you a little bit about poker. A honest business will never do those things since when you deposit money in poker, the site is not proffiting from the actual deposit.. Rake is what gives them money.

The Dark side to the "Rake" is the following... Let say you open a poker site, and you have 1000 players, all of them depositing, playing, winning, losing, etc. You are making your money from the percentage you take on ring tables from every pot. So either if a customer wins $100000 or loses $20000 you dont give a "%"%" because some other guys won it. But what happens when an operation becomes evil and they are putting players from their own site playing with their customers????????

Thats when the story becomes dark and evil. So the company is profitting from rake, and in addition they are placing players from their site playing in ring tables and probably you have 3 guys in the same office taking the money from 7 customers.

When you have 3 guys who know what hand each of them have is pretty easy to take your money....

Now, if this happens... then the site does worries about a guy proffiting every day... Why let him withdrawal all those winnings if I can place 3 of my guys and keep it to my self???? Sounds good or not...

I live in Costa Rica.. a gambling paradise... 70% of your social life is with people who works for online gambling so you hear everything that happens.

As far as I know, there is no Playtech Poker in this country operating at this time.

However we are home to several respected sites, so let me give you some tips of sites that will never invest money or efforts to steal from customers like that.

I had friends who were paid $7 an hour just to play poker for 8 hours a day.

You want my advise... play in the following sites where you will never be sitting on a table with some guy who was hired to steal from you.

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(their poker blows, but is honest)

I konw people from those sites,.. I guarantee you they will never pay an 8 crew staff to sit 24 hours a day to proffit out of their poker customers.

Regardless what people think of Costa Rican sites, we do have some good people who are very interested in providing a reliable, honest and professional service to the online gambler.
 

c7poker

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I consider my self a Playtech Fan... I love their gaming software as well as the admin software.

One thing I do dislike and hate about them is that most of the companies who run Playtech are a bunch of scammers and Playtech does nothing about it.

Sites like:

CD Poker aka Club Dice Casino
Bet Royal
Joyland
among others... have given this brand an awful reputation. Never the less, thera are few sites which are amazing:

Bet365 (weird they use Microgaming poker)
The Main Street Group
XXl Club Casino...

I dont believe the starter of this thread took the time to write that post only to give some trouble to them. I am pretty sure he did face some problems with them.

Let me tell you a little bit about poker. A honest business will never do those things since when you deposit money in poker, the site is not proffiting from the actual deposit.. Rake is what gives them money.

The Dark side to the "Rake" is the following... Let say you open a poker site, and you have 1000 players, all of them depositing, playing, winning, losing, etc. You are making your money from the percentage you take on ring tables from every pot. So either if a customer wins $100000 or loses $20000 you dont give a "%"%" because some other guys won it. But what happens when an operation becomes evil and they are putting players from their own site playing with their customers????????

Thats when the story becomes dark and evil. So the company is profitting from rake, and in addition they are placing players from their site playing in ring tables and probably you have 3 guys in the same office taking the money from 7 customers.

When you have 3 guys who know what hand each of them have is pretty easy to take your money....

Now, if this happens... then the site does worries about a guy proffiting every day... Why let him withdrawal all those winnings if I can place 3 of my guys and keep it to my self???? Sounds good or not...

I live in Costa Rica.. a gambling paradise... 70% of your social life is with people who works for online gambling so you hear everything that happens.

As far as I know, there is no Playtech Poker in this country operating at this time.

However we are home to several respected sites, so let me give you some tips of sites that will never invest money or efforts to steal from customers like that.

I had friends who were paid $7 an hour just to play poker for 8 hours a day.

You want my advise... play in the following sites where you will never be sitting on a table with some guy who was hired to steal from you.

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(their poker blows, but is honest)

I konw people from those sites,.. I guarantee you they will never pay an 8 crew staff to sit 24 hours a day to proffit out of their poker customers.

Regardless what people think of Costa Rican sites, we do have some good people who are very interested in providing a reliable, honest and professional service to the online gambler.


Yes, I agree with bigger part of your post. Even I do not has proofs (lol noone has..) I am also very sure that some sites especially neworks suck/steal money from players using their players who has any unfair vantage over us ie normal players.
"I dont believe the starter of this thread took the time to write that post only to give some trouble to them. I am pretty sure he did face some problems with them." - TRUE, and my problem wasnt CDpoker directly, its iPOKER!

I suspect in few networks where I played, also iPoker...


No I do not think that good player may lose all the times. And usually trigger I see they using is when you reach certain amount of $$$. Yes then they send you those guys or just place some unfair things at your account and no matter how you play you are convicted to lose! Happen to me few times.

Also there is lot real maniacs or kids, who play & do not care for money at all, those sites and networks using them too!! And in most cases they never takes out their money, or when they try site confront them with thier mistakes/cheats/abuses and keep their money!!!

Also what else they do: giving you enough good cards to call or bet but always not so good to win! If this happen in looong series then surely someone messing our play/account & therefor money! :mad:


I really think that we/players should find some way to fight all them. For start to warn all players & after to find way to pay them back and take all that money.. (cheating from side of poker room/network is and should be crime in any country!!!) :cool:


Btw, only poker is real game, as life itself, thats why I like to play & as long I see that I am better than many others I will play. So money isnt the only reason for my play + everyone like to win, get $$$ too. :thumbsup:
 
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bpb

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Please stop slandering a reputable casino gaming software provider. You have no evidence whatsoever. The only conclusion that can be drawn from your posts is that YOU AREN'T ANY GOOD AT POKER!
 

c7poker

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Please stop slandering a reputable casino gaming software provider. You have no evidence whatsoever. The only conclusion that can be drawn from your posts is that YOU AREN'T ANY GOOD AT POKER!

You know what F U (funny you), keep your oppinion for yourself.. and if I do not has evidence why they still not answering + keep so clever their infos. We may find out more & easily about CIA or MOSAD than about them lol.

Think what you like, all I wrote here is truth & F U, if you think that I am not good then play me! I am ready for ya any time, jerk. Your ma is/was great poker player, you know how I know? She never posted here nor play online, right? ;) (take as joke ONLY, thats the way you make conclusions.. lol)


NEWS. I Stopped playing there almost completely but went to play and interesting again I been kicked from tournament, but this time REAL MIRACLE HAPPEN.. yes, they (CDp) refunded me full amount, lovely I got back my $6 but what we gonna do with $3,000++??.. will be continued..[\B]
 
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