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Intertops casino slots RTP issue

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Rusty, Apr 14, 2010.

    Apr 14, 2010
  1. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    OK I can now say with certainty that Intertops casino is rigging its slots to such extremely low RTP it is impossible to hit anything.

    I have asked them to let me know what the RTP was set at on the slots I have played but they are simply ignoring my requests.

    I made one last deposit today and again I got around 50% return and zero features.

    Do not play Intertops casino.
    I will see them in court any day of the Week if they want try me on a libel charge.

    Hey, Intertops take me to court, please.
    :lolup:
     
  2. Apr 14, 2010
  3. Sodax77

    Sodax77 Dormant account

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    Of course they have. Bryan Bailey aka Casinomeister was clever, when he created this site - 1998. He and his Mafia partners under "Casinomeister Accredited Casinos and Poker Rooms" it is just there, how they generate money ... So you didn't know this?

    Come on, this is not Your first thread, where You blame that "Casino X is rigged", without any other info. You know, it is not.

    I have payout % from 20 to thousands... it is just, if i am lucky or not ;)

    And i don't start new thread after every session, when i lose, or when i don't get that feature after X round. Gambling should be entertainment ...not fighting, blaming, obsession, dishonesty or so. Watch these threads, instead creating new ones, and have fun... there is lot's of entertainment e.g. on Tradition Casino thread :D

    Next!
     
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  4. Apr 14, 2010
  5. eu_lowroller

    eu_lowroller Non-Gambler

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    Austria
    I thought the same thing, but i don't complain about it, i only closed my account, that's the only thing you can do, because if you have a bad feeling in a casino, than there is really no need to play there again ;)

    I've made ther esurely about 20 deposits and could never cashed out anything, not, because i'm not patient enough, but it's because i could never get about my starting balance, on every single deposit and i made deposits between 30 and 50 $ and played always only with 20 cent bets.

    So do the same like me and close your account immediately :-D
     
  6. Apr 14, 2010
  7. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

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    Australia
    Sheesh Rusty are you still playing :eek:

    Without actually looking at ever post you've made, at a guess every online casino that you play and don't win you post that they've have rigged slots.

    Although there are some dodgy casinos who run flakey software that have been proven beyond doubt that their games are rigged, I can most certainly say that Intertops is NOT one of them.

    Reiterating my previous recommendation to you on 1 of your "this casino is rigged threads"...Give it up Mate and find another hobby.


    Cheers

    :)

    Dave
     
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  8. Apr 14, 2010
  9. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Rigged slots.

    As a Fruitie player I just LOVE the idea of this. Non random (rigged, compensated, whatever, etc) games give PLAYERS an edge because once they decipher the patterns, the game can literally be RAPED:D


    Remember all those empty/switched off fruities because some programmer cocked-up the RTP compensation algorithms:D:D
     
  10. Apr 14, 2010
  11. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    Some of the above posts are exactly why I can't be bothered writing properly any more about all the issues online gaming has.
    I have done so many times but it just gets ignored or conveniently forgotten.
    I have taken my detractors and their nefarious arguments to task and destroyed their arguments time and time again with logic and facts.
    I really can't be bothered to do it all again.

    This is the first time I have accused a casino of consistently rigging its slots so it is next to impossible to win.
    Do you really think I would use such strong language if I could not back it up?
    Do you think I would merrily challenge a Casino to sue me for libel on a public forum unless I knew I could prove the games were unfair?
    You must be pretty dim.

    I can play at any RTG and get the usual data which shows the slots are weighted (so what - it is not illegal just unethical) but when the RTP is set to a low level consistently and the Casino refuses to give information the RTP then it is time to let people know that they are ripping people off, maybe save them some money.
    Play another RTG, fine and you know what to expect but at least you will get the odd winning streak and hopefully some entertainment for your dollar.

    People who tell me I am just writing another thread without evidence make me laugh. I have written long threads with poof positive about the dynamic weighting in online video slots.
    When I first came here the standard line from the likes of the above posters was that there was no such thing as - now it is accepted.

    I have got information out of Top game and RTG on how their slots operate on these very boards and my technical knowledge is far higher than most of my detractors, so perhaps, just maybe, instead of trying to patronise me you should read what I write and accept it as fact, because that is what it is.

    As for VWM, I expect better.
    I wrote an article here explaining the differences between AWP slots and online video slots.
    I have even explained in great deal how some of the algorithms work and still there is absolutely no connection between how the two work.
    If you knew anything about programming, you would know that at least.

    The beauty (for operators) of weighting slots is that there are no patterns, they retain a random element, why is that so hard for people to grasp?
    I have explained it over and over and over in the very simplest terms - it is so obvious you have to be blind not to see it.
    Just follow the scatters and wilds for Gods sake!

    The weighting is a fact but operators can still claim their games are 100% random etc and not even lie.
    That is the problem. You might get a fair game with RTP around 95% or you might as well kiss your deposit goodbye before you even make a spin.
    That is where I make the distinction between just weighted and rigged.
    65% RTP is not a fair game, especially when you are led to believe the RTP is over 93%.

    GET IT YET?
     
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  12. Apr 14, 2010
  13. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

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    Sweden
    @Rusty:

    I have read old post of yours(I have been reading very lot of old threads here to catch up) and your knowledge is far beyond the average of the readers here.

    When you write "this casino has rigged slots" most of the readers think that you are just another loser.

    Unfortunately many post begins with either "Holy Underwear Casino stole my money" or "Magic Foot Casino is rigged".

    Can you give us more information about the rigged games?

    I am always interested to read about how we can determine how the slot machine is loose or tight.

    To suddenly see that the wild symbol on reel two hasn´t been seen for 50 spins.. When it´s infact according to mathematics is there at least every third spin is interesting to me.

    What software do they have at Intertops?
     
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  14. Apr 14, 2010
  15. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    i agree:
    after reading several older posts of yours (very interesting!)
    i'd also be inclined to have you elaborate on this.
    nevermind the possible people that might "try" and discourage you from being more informative: they can only succeed if you give a damn :)
    i never think its pointless to share info like that:
    just make sure to stay correct, for forum policy's sake.
    say: im led to believe..., ...because i observed following,...correct me if im wrong etc.
     
  16. Apr 14, 2010
  17. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Links please!

    RTG - what else! :p

    KK
     
  18. Apr 14, 2010
  19. Intertops

    Intertops Affiliate Manager for Accredited Casinos

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    Affiliate Manager
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    Antigua
    Intertops casino rigged slots - untrue statement!

    Intertops Casino Red is a reputable casino. All games are fair and unbiased.

    Rusty, we have reviewed your Casino Red account and it appears that you have concluded your findings from such a small sample of games! To be fair, in order to arrive at the real game percentages, you would need to use a larger sample of events.

    Please be assured that Intertops are fair and aim to be as flexible as possible when customers are on a losing streak by giving bonus to try their luck again.

    We have many winners everyday and our payouts are extremely fast! It appears that you had a small unlucky streak but that is what gaming is all about. Don't give up - try your luck with us again.
     
  20. Apr 14, 2010
  21. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

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    Thanks for responding here Intertops. Since you say Rusty's sample size was too small to make a true determination, would you be willing to send him copies of his lifetime playlogs there so that he would have a larger sample size in order to make a better determination of his true RTP that he has had there?
    ____
    ____
     
  22. Apr 14, 2010
  23. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Washington
    This is pretty much a typical response, very similar to what I have gotten every time I have complained, and lately there has been a lot of complaining, because lately there has been a big change to RTG casinos, which operators do not want to admit to, plain and simple. I have not played intertops and I do not intend to. My 70 deposits and losses of nearly $20,000, which went the casino's way each and everytime, tell me that I don't need to test this software anymore. It's already showed it's ugly head over and over again. It didn't used to be that way.

    I'm not a loser. I have taken the steps to make sure that this does not happen anymore....I've uninstalled every RTG casino and will not go back until I have quantifyable evidence that the payouts have once again become fair. I have logs which show my bankrolls dropping thousands, with nary a hit of any kind. I'm going with Rusty on this. I posted a poll awhile back. 2/3 of players who voted believe the games are rigged. Where are all the winners these days? They are keeping it to themselves, or more believably, they aren't happening. As the random jackpots get bigger it is easier to tout a pseudo RTP because those are factored into the RTP calculation.

    Sure, the casino might payout 95%, but all the other suckers that didn't hit RJs got a 50-60% RTP. And out of those how many played back some or most of their winnings because of weekly payout limits? Confidence in these games appears to be at an alltime low, if anyone is noticing.
     
  24. Apr 14, 2010
  25. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I ask, what would you call a fair sampling? This is a reply by many casinos. A generality..never down to numbers..

    If 16 years of samplings at a variety of RTG casinos (not yours) is not enough (my play) then I do not know what is. I agree...something has changed (not rigged, or cheating etc) just changed to reflect a smaller percentage of wins for the average player.

    Rusty, glad to see you back...

    .
     
  26. Apr 14, 2010
  27. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    Hi I think your response is appreciated and its good to see a casino coming in on these threads.

    While your here can you please let us know what the RTP on your slots is ? as im on the understanding that RTG casinos can have 1 of I think 3 settings.

    Many thanks :)
     
  28. Apr 15, 2010
  29. ksech

    ksech Dormant account

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    To kind of play devil's advocate here...
    Intertops Red is the ONLY RTG casino I play at. I get angry and frustrated when I go 6-7 deposits without any chance of a win ( or even retaining my initial money). BUT, I have gotten "freebies" in between, ranging anywhere from $25 to $100. I am NOT a high roller, and my deposits are usually within the $25 range. Fortunately, I have been able to withdraw several times a month, nothing grandioso, but enough to be able to play again the 6-7 times I lose. I, unlike some, play for entertainment value. IF I happen to win big I'm ecstatic, BUT that is why they call this gambling. You can't expect to win every time.

    It seems like every gaming software goes on a cycle where players whine and complain about the platforms. A few months ago everyone was ragging about Rival ( and IMO, rightly so. They have serious problems in my book). Before that it was microgaming (of course being shut out of almost all of the MG casinos, I'm saddened because I do like their games). Now it's RTG. IMO, if you are so dissatisfied with the way the casinos are running you have serveral choices...
    A) Switch to a platform you feel you can trust.
    B) Start playing at B&M instead of playing online
    or
    C) Quit gambling.

    I have to honestly say, Intertops Red has been good to me, even though I am prone to occassional, irrational fits. Their CS has always been upfront and knowledgeable. And my payouts have been relatively fast (usually within 24 hrs to my QT account). This is not a push for people to play here, it's just my own personal experience...
     
  30. Apr 15, 2010
  31. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    That is my recomendations also...I have had a ball the last few months taking my trips up there. I have even come home with more than I went with on top of my free 2 night stay (they gave me 3 but I only stay the weekends), 2 free buffets/dinners, $300 in slot play (CASHABLE!!!!) no restrictions or requirements to be met before wtihdrawing, what a concept!..

    Don't you just love it! I am NOT missing playing online at all..I dabbled a little last night with a $40 deposit and got squat...until next month testing again (maybe)...

    I actually am enjoying my biweekly trips again knowing I am appreciated and even if I win...I still get my freebies and I actually get treated like a valuable player!

    .
     
  32. Apr 15, 2010
  33. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    If Rusty doesnt mind, can Intertops post the number of spins played and the RTP. While we can say that Rusty may not have provided enough evidence, it is equally true that you may have been a bit evasive by stating that the sample size is very small.

    @Rusty, give Intertops permission to publish the stats here mate.

    Hopefully, we dont need to play 1M spins at $0.2 to get an RTP of 96%. Would have lost my shirt by then.:D
     
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  34. Apr 15, 2010
  35. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    To be honest, i dont buy this ` oh your results aernt accurate cos their taken from such a small sampling......` rubbish.

    I realise rtp varies (or it should SLIGHTLY) based upon say someone hitting big on a slot, but that does NOT mean rtp for the average player should drop below what it is SUPPOSED to be by such a HUGE amount.

    If i play a slot, whether i play 100 spins or 1 million, if that slot has a published rtp of say 94 % THAT (or around that)is what you should get. IF it drops to 45 % you ARE being ripped off. Its as plain and as simple as that.

    There are far too many casinos using the exscuse of oh its not really true because youve only played 2.3 million spins so far so im sorry but your dating sampling set isnt big enough :p

    How about the last 40 or 50 deposits that have averaged far far less than 70 %? I suppose THAT isnt a big enough sampling data set either?

    People are waking up to the tricks and tactics of casinos these days, and all the complaints that are being seen as of lately I think are just the tip of the iceberg. Theres a titanic on its way :D
     
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  36. Apr 16, 2010
  37. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    Hi Intertops rep, would really appreciate an answer to the above question posted a few days ago.

    many thanks.
     
  38. Apr 17, 2010
  39. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    My advice... don't hold your breath! :p

    KK
     

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