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jetset said:
By all means post, but first give the mediation a chance to resolve the issue in question before slashing and burning - there really can be two sides to a story.

Please try to not misquote me Jetset - I said nothing of the sort. I said:

All you need to avoid is inflammatory language that the casino can use to get on their high-horse and refuse to cooperate. Post the facts and you will be just fine.

Where did I say anything about "slashing and burning"? I said "avoid inflammatory language and post the facts". I do NOT support this recent "post and you're SOL" attitude. I also do not support emotive complaint posts - check out any of mine and you'll see for yourself. Requirement to not post only helps the casino.

1) Casino pulls a stunt.

2) Casino is contacted by mediator, who informs them they pulled a stunt on the wrong person.

3) Casino pays.

4) Noone knows, because they player was required to keep quiet.

Alternatively:

1) Casino pulls a stunt.

2) Player posts - and contacts mediator, who also informs them they pulled a stunt on the wrong person.

3) Casino pays.

4) Everyone knows, and players can now make informed opinions, based on VALID and RELEVANT INFORMATION, about where they play.

Castrating players by binding them to secrecy agreements in exchange for assistance is completely wrong, and something I will never support.

You may disagree - that's up to you.
 
Castrating players by binding them to secrecy agreements in exchange for assistance is completely wrong, and something I will never support.

I think you've missed something here. Players are not being bound to any secrecy agreement - they agree not to post on the forums or otherwise discuss the case while it is in mediation, nor ask another party to arbitrate.

Once mediation is done, the player can post whatever he likes.

The simple reasons for this are:

1. As a mediator, you would obviously prefer not to be biased one way or the other. Much as a judge binds a jury and prevents them from speaking in public about the case, a mediator requests similar agreements.

2. Should the plaintiff post something potentially inflammatory, they jeopardize their chances of a successful resolution. Much as a lawyer/solicitor tells his client not to speak in public.

3. Where a second mediator is called in while the original mediator is working on the case, there is typically cause for confusion, not to mention wasting the time of both mediators who then perhaps have to find a way to work together, or else one will back out. Keep in mind that this mediation is generally FREE of charge - and thus one should respect the services of both mediators by trying not to waste their time.

Whether you agree with this or not, this is the best way I can explain this situation - and trust me, although you may not see me mediate very often, this comes from experience - all the way back to when Julie, Meister and I all handled cases - and we basically agreed to work with each other by not stepping on each others' toes. Whomever got called first would handle the case while the other two would respectfully back off until the first one was finished.

We all respect and agree with the fact that the public should be made aware of potential problems - but I am sure you will agree it is also our responsibility to ensure that the problem does indeed lie with the casino - so it takes a little bit of time to investigate the circumstances.
 
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I most certainly do disagree with you on this Caruso - as I do with your labelling advice contrary to your own opinions "ill informed" - a totally unnecessary insult here.

Players who adopt your inimitable style and take your advice on this stand a good chance of finding their mediation in difficulties when it comes to brokering a fair and hopefully fast solution - and no-one said anything about those same players not posting about their experience once they were out of the woods.
 
jetset said:
I most certainly do disagree with you on this Caruso - as I do with your labelling advice contrary to your own opinions "ill informed" - a totally unnecessary insult here.

Pointing out that an expressed opinion is ill-informed is not an "insult". Look at what he said: "If I ever have a problem with one of the Casinomeister's Accredited Sites...I hope to gawd I can summon the miniscule amount of self-control required to pm Bryan instead of blasting away on the open forum."

Now, look back at the initial post and tell me exactly WHICH words represent "blasting away"? The post was absolutely measured and correct. And what about our friend's sarcastic jab at the posters lack of self-control?? What was uncontrolled?? The poster did nothing wrong, and the subsequent comment about lack of self-control and "blasting" was ill-informed and ignorant. If my comment is regarded as "insulting", lol, so be it.

Players who adopt your inimitable style and take your advice on this stand a good chance of finding their mediation in difficulties when it comes to brokering a fair and hopefully fast solution.

Yup, look at my 100% record: I sure am living proof that posted complaints don't work, loooool. And it's not just me. Pretty much all the big issues in the industry's history that have been resolved have included lengthy public discussion - and not always polite. SciFi, Angelciti, Gaming Club, Forty Plus etc etc. In many cases, the public discussion was CENTRAL to the resolution.

Ted - very fair post, with which I largely agree. Will post some thoughts later.
 
I have missed this page...sorry...so as not to be a pot-stirer...I will elaborate...

First of all...Sam, glad you got the $100 you were after.

Now then, I think of this as Bryan's site...even though he has some real good help. (Spear, Simmo, the Robot...maybe others)

When I read Bryan's criteria for an "accredited" site and I see the list, I feel my money is safe if I follow the rules.

Not because I can run to Bryan if something goes wrong, but because he has researched this list, has a good contact, and believes them to be fair play and reasonable payment.

And yes, if I have a problem that I can't solve...I will pm Bryan...not post. I think it would be an insult to his efforts to post and not to give him a chance to help with an "accredited".

Caruso makes a good point about a quick resolution/a warning to others...I was thinking Bryan would do that (if necessary). Yes, more work for him...but from a better informed position.

But if it is really a good site...with a good record...(and the "accrediteds" are)don't most of the hiccups get straightened out anyway??? (Sam got his $100)

I've been coming here a loooong time(since '98 or '99)...I was surprised last year to find I wasn't a member (maybe I never posted...lol)...anyways...I guess it's a matter of good manners with me. I appreciate Bryan, and I wouldn't want to disrespect his efforts.

If my first or second post seemed caustic or flip...I apologize to those offended...my intentions were good. Sometimes you post one day...then go back and go "hmm...that was a little rough"...or "I could have phrased that better"...but it's too late to edit.

the dUck
 
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I still haven't heard any progress on my situation. Sam, its good that they made an exception for you and hope they do so in my case also.
 
spearmaster said:
I think you've missed something here. Players are not being bound to any secrecy agreement - they agree not to post on the forums or otherwise discuss the case while it is in mediation, nor ask another party to arbitrate...(etc etc)

Of course, a requirement to remain silent during the mediation stage is an absolute catch-all fix for any glitches a posting might create, no argument about that. That is NOT to say that a balanced post (as opposed to the "slashing and burning" Jetset is apparently concerned about) will necessarily do any actual harm to this process, IF the facts are factually stated, without heat. You might reasonably argue that people are not capable of limiting to themselves to the facts and not getting emotive, but isn't that their problem? If they say something that jeopardises the outcome, more fool them.

Given that a sensible post should jeopardise nothing, it can have value:

1) The process may be long drawn out; in the meantime, while the aggrieved player is holding his peace, a lot of flies may end up getting snagged by what turns out to be a stiff casino. A reasonable post, made at the outset, INFORMING potential customers about potential problems that they might also encounter, might save all those flies getting stuck in the honey pot. We've certainly seen it happen time and time and time again: "Thanks, I was going to play here - you've saved me no end of hassles." Kinda neat, that. It certainly beats a bunch of pissed off players saying "Why the hell didn't someone say something before I went ahead played here??".

2) Mediators don't necessarily always call it right first time. Bryan will acknowledge he's often taken on board intelligent input from posters - remember PirateOfC21, to name just one? I recall that a Gambling Federation player, facing an $8000 stiff, was paid after the GPWA mediator took advisement from the players and changed her stance. No post? Bye bye, $8000. Lake Palace / Ecogra, remember that? Player kept his peace and was told he was SOL. Player posted - and was paid. Players can help things along - but only if they know what's afoot.

3) Even IF things manage to get bloody, let's face it: this is the way, historically, that many disputes are resolved. Look at the Gaming Club issue of three years ago, in which you had a lot of input yourself: would the players have got paid without that thread? FORGET it. SciFi? FortyPlus? Goodfellas? POC21? Without the interaction the forums allow there is NO way these matters would have been resolved, in my opinion. For myself, Angelciti and Cirrus: the slaughter-job that Jetset and I dished out on the former had a huge effect on that approximately $20,000 finding its way back to the players. Not just that, by any means - Bryan had quite a part, lol - but certainly it did a lot of GOOD. My Cirrus case, which Cindy resolved: I received my remaining $3500 precisely BECAUSE I posted here and at WOL. No post = no more money. Waiting and "hoping" would have been totally pointless. The post gave things just the push they needed.

4) You mentioned the danger of creating "bias". It works the other way, too: while a forum blood bath might bias the mediator one way, a quiet earful from the casino, about the evils of "bonus abuse" or whatever other casino-speak codswallop they might come up with in private, might bias the mediator the other way. Bias is not a one-way street into the player's camp. An open discussion about a current issue is a big help to the mediator. (This is essentially the same as point 2 above, but I wanted to comment on the bias issue specifically.)

So basically: although I don't exactly dispute what you say, there is more to it than that.
 
Being a poster, not a mediator, I prefer the slash and burn.

It is interesting to see the mediators thoughts on the matter of posting the complaint detail before the dispute has been mediated.

Interesting to see a message board poster/non mediator disagree with the mediator on the detail.

Both sides seem right when read through though, using experience to make the point, though they disagree.
1) Does posting about a dispute while mediation is ongoing hurt the fair and right outcome?

2) Does posting about a dispute while mediation is ongoing expediate a fair and right outcome?
Which of the 2 has the highest hit-rate of fair and correct outcome.
 
Is this bonus going to return ? I didn't get to signup before it got taken down, and I just wanted to play slots with the $100 bonus I'm sure that was allowed
 
Straight from the forum rules which is linked on every page:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/

2. Posting Complaints

2.1 - Complaints against casinos or pokerrooms will only be posted in the "Online Casino and Poker Complaints" forum.

2.2 - Do not post a complaint without notifying the appropriate casino representative by either PM or email. The casino representatives are listed here.

2.3 - Ensure your complaint is free from offensive or abusive language, and that the complaint is tactful and truthful. Making false claims are grounds for banishment or drawn and quartering.


In order to PAB, you have to be a forum member. In order to be a member here, you have to read the rules. :D

In short, I don't care if PABers post their complaint. Just don't start calling the casino operators crooks and a-holes.

As for the Intertops bonus - I have no idea.
 

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