Intertops, Betonline, Ignition live blackjack (allegedly) CHEATING & COLLUSION

kj731

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I won some money and they obviously didn't like that. They proceeded to collude against me. They "messed up the cards" quite a few times. I also suspect that the iShoe, the intelligent dealing shoe that they use is rigged as well. These are not trustworthy casino places! Don't waste your money there!

This is the Visionary iGaming Live dealer service that intertops, betonline and ignition use.

 
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It's about time we had another one of these conspiracy threads as the Evolution roulette one's gone quiet lol.
I have added 'allegedly' to the title until somebody can prove beyond doubt that cheating is occurring.
 

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It's about time we had another one of these conspiracy threads as the Evolution roulette one's gone quiet lol.
I have added 'allegedly' to the title until somebody can prove beyond doubt that cheating is occurring.
But but the ball might have bounced oddly...
 

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I won some money and they obviously didn't like that. They proceeded to collude against me. They "messed up the cards" quite a few times. I also suspect that the iShoe, the intelligent dealing shoe that they use is rigged as well. These are not trustworthy casino places! Don't waste your money there!

This is the Visionary iGaming Live dealer service that intertops, betonline and ignition use.


I can't believe I got suckered in to watch this video. The dealers made two mistakes which were both rectified correctly and the game rounds and hands completed as they should. So please explain how the Messed Up cards is cheating and adversely affected you.

I'm not sure how you conclude the ishoe is rigged. Unlike most other shoes this has a scanner built into it, so as the cards are drawn they are scanned on exit. The reason VIG use these shoes is they don't have to install scanners into every table, making it cheaper to run.
 

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I can't believe I got suckered in to watch this video. The dealers made two mistakes which were both rectified correctly and the game rounds and hands completed as they should. So please explain how the Messed Up cards is cheating and adversely affected you.

I'm not sure how you conclude the ishoe is rigged. Unlike most other shoes this has a scanner built into it, so as the cards are drawn they are scanned on exit. The reason VIG use these shoes is they don't have to install scanners into every table, making it cheaper to run.

They are attempting to mess up the cards to cancel the hands that I would've won to try to make me lose money. Yes they corrected the hands and continued but I think they were trying to cancel the hands I would've won. The first hand I had a 20 and he "messed up" because 20 is a good number but for some reason they continued, maybe because they saw that they would've also gotten a 20 for a tie. But that's not the point. The point is that they are attempting to cancel the hands I would've won.

I started with 300$ and it ballooned to 39,000$ at one point. And they were looking very concerned and worried and started "messing up" the hands for me. And I know this for a fact 100% that they were messing up the hands for me and that it was no accident.

In the video they corrected the hands, yes but the point is that they are ATTEMPTING to mess up my hands and make me lose money. I didn't capture all of it but they did this quite a few more times. That's dishonest and unethical.

You can clearly see the girl in the second one smiling and smirking as she "messed up" the hand. And she even showed the card to the camera on purpose to attempt to cancel the hand but it didn't cancel because that card would've been seen anyway so the game continued.

The point is that they are ATTEMPTING to cancel the hands in order to make me lose money. That is dishonest and unethical!
 

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They are attempting to mess up the cards to cancel the hands that I would've won to try to make me lose money. Yes they corrected the hands and continued but I think they were trying to cancel the hands I would've won.

Bolded part shorten it up quite well....

And I know this for a fact 100% that they were messing up the hands for me and that it was no accident.

Fact we all love, these always can be proven, not like feelings on moment of losing or any other times either. Just can't find anything to back that 100% fact?
 

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Strange strategy from the live studio... First they rig it so you win 29.000 on a 300 deposit. Then they rig it again to get a few bets back or voided. Sounds like a bad business strategy to me :)
 

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So are blackjack and roulette players just nuts or what?

No if they speak about facts, just nobody bother to show them. when speaking about feelings when loosing and that makes game rigged or dealer cheating, then it usually is bit fast imagination... If somebody would scam me and it would be 100% fact, i would report it to police like most of other people do when they are victims of fraud.

BJ or Roulette players are not nuts at all (hard to keep them all as one group), some of these stories here are bit weird stuff but that's probably part of gambling, there are loads of good slots conspiracies all the time as well so assume nobody can't really claim it as a trademark.

Internet is full of weird stuff, somebody thinking everything is made or programmed against him/her is not really even near of weirdo of the year award, this seem to be quite common for people who gamble to games with negative return and lose (which is most normal outcome).

Strange strategy from the live studio... First they rig it so you win 29.000 on a 300 deposit. Then they rig it again to get a few bets back or voided. Sounds like a bad business strategy to me :)

That's bit danger style, there are many players who would have hit withdraw button before $39k if started with $300.
 

kj731

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Strange strategy from the live studio... First they rig it so you win 29.000 on a 300 deposit. Then they rig it again to get a few bets back or voided. Sounds like a bad business strategy to me :)

I think a few thousand dollars is fine for them but when it gets more than that.. they don't like that and they'll start to do shifty things. Yes like that, they let me win at first then I won too much, they started do shifty things. Don't believe me. I know the truth. Casinos all of them are just dishonest and greedy.

Just like this 777 jackpot. I bet no one won that jackpot and SharkDodoo isn't a real person. That's great acting that she's doing in this video pretending a person actually won that jackpot.

They don't like it when someone wins too much, is all I'm going to say. Went from $300 to almost $40,000.
 

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No if they speak about facts, just nobody bother to show them. when speaking about feelings when loosing and that makes game rigged or dealer cheating, then it usually is bit fast imagination... If somebody would scam me and it would be 100% fact, i would report it to police like most of other people do when they are victims of fraud.

BJ or Roulette players are not nuts at all (hard to keep them all as one group), some of these stories here are bit weird stuff but that's probably part of gambling, there are loads of good slots conspiracies all the time as well so assume nobody can't really claim it as a trademark.

Internet is full of weird stuff, somebody thinking everything is made or programmed against him/her is not really even near of weirdo of the year award, this seem to be quite common for people who gamble to games with negative return and lose (which is most normal outcome).



That's bit danger style, there are many players who would have hit withdraw button before $39k if started with $300.

I know right... Almost like they don't control the shoe or something!
 

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No if they speak about facts, just nobody bother to show them. when speaking about feelings when loosing and that makes game rigged or dealer cheating, then it usually is bit fast imagination... If somebody would scam me and it would be 100% fact, i would report it to police like most of other people do when they are victims of fraud.

BJ or Roulette players are not nuts at all (hard to keep them all as one group), some of these stories here are bit weird stuff but that's probably part of gambling, there are loads of good slots conspiracies all the time as well so assume nobody can't really claim it as a trademark.

Internet is full of weird stuff, somebody thinking everything is made or programmed against him/her is not really even near of weirdo of the year award, this seem to be quite common for people who gamble to games with negative return and lose (which is most normal outcome).



That's bit danger style, there are many players who would have hit withdraw button before $39k if started with $300.

My response wasn't aimed at your reply but more of a rhetorical question.
Because they are nuts.
Every single week it's the same thread "live blackjack rigged 100% proof!"
And their "proof" is always the lamest nonsense, on par with the "I was winning then I lost, therefore rigged" slot conspiracy crowd.

Originally, for the first 800 or so threads, it was amusing but now it's just tiresome and I feel bad for these deluded people screaming at their monitors about how some poor schmuck just doing their job (of taking their money) is cheating them.
 

Halvor

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I think a few thousand dollars is fine for them but when it gets more than that.. they don't like that and they'll start to do shifty things. Yes like that, they let me win at first then I won too much, they started do shifty things. Don't believe me. I know the truth. Casinos all of them are just dishonest and greedy.

Just like this 777 jackpot. I bet no one won that jackpot and SharkDodoo isn't a real person. That's great acting that she's doing in this video pretending a person actually won that jackpot.

They don't like it when someone wins too much, is all I'm going to say. Went from $300 to almost $40,000.
Yes of course, they just happily rig the games... But first they give customers the chance to cash out more than 100 times their deposit.

Sorry for being harsh, but you had an insane run, lost control, gambled it away again and now you blame the company when you should be upset at yourself.
 

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Wtf did I just read? Just dont play the game if you think its rigged? Oh wait... quick deposit... all in... bust.... repeat

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