Interesting story on MSNBC TV

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I'm watching a story right now on MSNBC about a guy who's trying to sue an Indian casino because he won $1.6 Million from a slot machine, and the casino is claiming that it was an "error" so he was only owed $2500.

Be interesting to see how that pans out.

It seems the land-based casinos are taking a page out of the Rogue Casino Manual of Procedures. :rolleyes:
 

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Saw that

Apparently the machine stated "2500" max payout, but the read out said 1million..LOL

So guess who's gonna win????:rolleyes:
 

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This story is from my hometown of Albuquerque. Sandia Casino is one of our bigger, better run casinos. The building itself is acutally stunning and quite impressive if you like Southwestern Design.

The story has been dragging on for a bit. It will be interesting to see if he can indeed get to court as the sovereign status of the Tribe may keep it from being heard.

Link to the story here with a screen shot he took at the time.
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And a snap of the Casino below.
 

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This is probably a valid jackpot, here's my reply on ABC's website..

Ok, here's the problem with this story. Firstly the media is reporting that the machine states the top payout is $2500 on that machine, this is false. A single spin of the reels can pay UP TO $2500, but that's not an absoulte top pay on the machine, therefore the statement of "maximum payout of $2,500 for that particular slot machine" is false. A jackpot of this amount is possible on this game. This game awards bonus free spins if you get certain symbols on the reels. During those free spins you can hit any winning combination including the top jackpot of 50,000 credits ($2500). These bonus spins can retrigger a number of times giving player up to 999 free spins. Although the odds are against it, a player could hit the top award of 50,000 credits ($2500) many many times during these free bonus spins for a total game pay of 49,950,000 credits ($2,497,500), which is the absoulte top pay of the bonus game, that's hitting the top jackpot of 50,000 credits 999 times, it's possible to do this anytime on any machine like this. Anytime there's millions at stake the native american owned and governed casinos will always try to weasel out of paying. You can clearly see on the mans win meter, the bottom right of the game screen, an 8 digit credit payout. Does that win meter say 31,944,882 credits ($1,597,244.10)? Honestly, I can't tell but there is 8 digits on his win paid meter, which is more than 10 million credits. Even at absolute rock bottom, 10 million credits would be $500,000. I don't blame the guy for taking pictures, I would have too, especially after they started using the old mob strong arm tactics of dragging you to a back room and threatening you.
 

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In my opinion playing at a Native Casino on a Reservation, is tantamount to playing in some dark back alley with a bunch of guys with bent noses.

You play by their rules, which they can change at any time and you have no recourse when they do change the rules or ignore them. Just like this guy that won the 1.5 mil jackpot is finding out.

You can't sue them in US Courts, because they are not 'legally' part of the US and if you try to sue them in their own courts you will get a first hand lesson in how the Natives feel about the "Invaders" that have taken away their land and forced them to live on dirt patch Reservations in the worst kind of poverty for the last hundred years or so.

One of my close friends, that happens to be a member of the Nez Perce tribe, calls the Native Casinos "The Red Man's Revenge"... and I don't think he is kidding.
 

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Yip... I've seen that nod from roulette wheel to cashier's booth before a teaser win. They are like playing at a rogue house in many ways... and whenever 'need not be present to win' barrels roll, the winner is never there and the contest is over... but I've played in very nice places as well as those big vinyl buildings (feedlots) with carpet. Rarely have I ever left a Tribal Casino with any money, and honestly don't mind donating that way, otherwise I wouldn't play without enforceable regulations. I've heard some stories.... I wouldn't push them if there was a dispute.

In the ABC article, John Robison (casinocitytimes) said, <sic> "If it shows you won, well I think you did..."

Theguy will not see his money, me thinks.
 

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The slot machine has a disclaimer that says it pays a maximum of $2,500 and warns that malfunctions void all winnings, said Paul Bardacke, Sandia's lawyer.

If this is true that $1.6 million will turn into $2,500 quick.
 

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Nowhere on that machine does it say maximum jackpot $2500. There's a sticker that says win up to 50,000 credits, but that's refering to the top jackpot of 5 wild symbols. If 5 wild symbols hit on any payline the game would pay more than 50,000 credits.
 

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According to the Casino, the slot machine went haywire before it went into bonus rounds...

My question is how the casino knew the machine was "haywire" before they had a tech even look at it???

Obviously, any machine that pays out a large jackpot in that casino is "haywire".

Bottom line, don't play at a native casino, and if you do and they cheat you, don't whine about it.

I've heard some stories.... I wouldn't push them if there was a dispute.
I know what you mean, I saw guy get 'escorted' out of a Sho-Ban Casino one night a few years ago (he was claiming very loudly he was cheated). He left the reservation in an Ambulance (the closest Hospital was 50+ miles away). That was when I decided not to keep playing at native casinos.
 

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I may have told this story before

but Im not positive. Anyway, I went to Imokolee (sp) in Florida while babysitting my dad's house. I wanted to play 7 card stud and put my name on the list. 1/2 hour later they called my name. I sat down and 3 of the players were the casinos' dealers!!!

All three of them won, after 5 hands I left. There was no way I was gonna play with dressed casino employees. That shouldnt even be allowed. You would never see a BJ dealer at the Trop playing BJ!
 

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According to the Casino, the slot machine went haywire before it went into bonus rounds...

My question is how the casino knew the machine was "haywire" before they had a tech even look at it???

Obviously, any machine that pays out a large jackpot in that casino is "haywire".

Bottom line, don't play at a native casino, and if you do and they cheat you, don't whine about it....

Right! If the Injun thugs took you to the back room after your million dollar win and said they ain't gonna pay you, claiming the slot machine went "haywire", even BEFORE a tech could look at the machine, you'd bet they threatened the technician too to make the "results" of the examination fit the excuse.

If the guy isn't going to get anywhere with this lawsuit, then maybe he can claim that he is an eighth of an Indian to get eighth of the jackpot. :) Let's see, with my various Indian blood background, I'd probably get almost half of a jackpot! :D I'd better get my genealogy documents straight!! :Read:
 

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I don't think they needed to threaten the tech...

Who pays his wages, the Casino... And I'll lay odds that the tech is a member of the Tribe. The Native casinos like to hire their own Tribal members.
 

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I don't think they needed to threaten the tech...

Who pays his wages, the Casino... And I'll lay odds that the tech is a member of the Tribe. The Native casinos like to hire their own Tribal members.

Well, yeah, that's right. The tech knows where his peyote comes from. :D
 

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Are there tribes inTN??? In this area the native casinos pay out their million(s) progressives and other big payouts. If not, they would lose their players. Many Canadians are here to purchase and gamble. I am going to take a guess that he will get paid.
 

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he might have meant that they know which side of their bread the butter is on :)
 

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Las Vegas Casinos are required to pay out a certain percentage of play. If a gambler suspects that other casinos (native, online, etc.) are not paying out the way they would like them to; there is always the option of not playing there. If a casino is truly bad, it will definitely close up. The peyote and injun remark is a big indicator of his stupidity.
 

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I'm watching a story right now on MSNBC about a guy who's trying to sue an Indian casino because he won $1.6 Million from a slot machine, and the casino is claiming that it was an "error" so he was only owed $2500.

Be interesting to see how that pans out.

It seems the land-based casinos are taking a page out of the Rogue Casino Manual of Procedures. :rolleyes:

2 similar stories from the macau casinos recently

1/ A girl was shocked when the slot machine quoted that her win was $40M (HKD) which is about $5.1M. The casino said it was an error and refused to pay. The girl complained to the authorities in vain as they agreed that it was a technical error and the max win on this slot was nowhere near to the amount It was reported that she got nothing in the end. Actually, I disagree and believe that she should get the max win according to the slot's paytable. She cannot be blamed for the technical errors.

2/ An underaged girl managed to enter a casino and won about $700K ($90KUSD) at a slot machine. When asked for identification, it was discovered that she was underage. The casino refused to pay claiming she was not entitled to the win as this was a void bet made by an underaged patron. The authorities disagreed and ordered the casino to pay the money to the girl's mother. It was stated that the casino was negligent in allowing the girl to slip thru their guards and enter the casino and once a bet has been made, they should pay for it.

Contrasting fortunes, eh?
 

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As far as Native casinos go some are excellent, others are not. Because states are not regulating them they can tighten a machine and decide how they will payout a big win. My personal opinion is that all casinos tighten or loosen up their slot machines according to previous month's revenue. RTG casinos and other online casinos are no different as soon as they lost a big percentage of their American players the payouts are not so large or so often. Some lucky players who win a decent payout should be paid immediately no in installments payments. The luck is on the casinos side and always has been.
 

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The luck is on the casinos side and always has been.
There is no "luck" involved.
The odds are always in the Houses favor.

As far as Native Casinos go there are some that look better than others and some that have good restaurants and others don't, some Native Casinos provide better service than others...

But when it comes to paying out large winnings they are all the same.

The real problem with Native Casinos is there is no regulation and no real oversight. The Native Casinos can do whatever they want, with no chance of being held accountable, it is a dream come true for any crooked casino.
 

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There is a couple a few miles down the road that just won $3 million at a Indian Casino. They are not screaming about not getting paid. A Minnesota Indian Casino about an hour from here have paid out multiple millions in progressive slots, players get paid in installments but the winners do get paid. Don't lump all Indian casinos into one group. The luck I referred to has nothing to do with the casino. The casinos always have the odds in their favor. If you can't afford or handle losing the majority of the time, Don't play.
 
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