interesting press release..house bill 1243

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While this is all regarding Washington state and their idiotic law which makes gambling online a FELONY, Representative Strow could be a sympathetic ear to killing the UIGEA.
 

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Personally, I think if someone approached from a "money" angle, vrs a "freedom and personal rights" angle, and came up with a way that gambling money could be taxed and thus feed the government coffers that Bush and his cronies seem to be draining at an alarming rate, that would be a logical move.

And I haven't looked, but I sure hope that CA is not one of the states that classify it as a "felony" - if you are charged with three of those babies here, they will put you away for LIFE..

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Personally, I think if someone approached from a "money" angle, vrs a "freedom and personal rights" angle, and came up with a way that gambling money could be taxed and thus feed the government coffers that Bush and his cronies seem to be draining at an alarming rate, that would be a logical move.

And I haven't looked, but I sure hope that CA is not one of the states that classify it as a "felony" - if you are charged with three of those babies here, they will put you away for LIFE..

Marcie

It would really be nice if some of the I Gaming companies started contributing to Rep. Chris Strow, R-Whidbey Island, next campaign.
 

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Hmmm....well....gosh. hehe. Pardon me for rolling my eyes but lets remember what Washington is: Puppets of big business. How much tax revenue do you think will come in after its legalized? Billions. The gambling ban was to eliminate foreign competition so shops could be set up in this country.



Now....theres no way Bush will sign this bill unless of course there are complications with Antigua/World Trade. So, assuming there wont be, the best chance this bill stands would be an all democratic congress and a democratic president. Which frankly could happen cause republicans are fucked up beyond belief.....so....bill passes around 2009-2010. Sigh.
 

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Hmmm....well....gosh. hehe. Pardon me for rolling my eyes but lets remember what Washington is: Puppets of big business. How much tax revenue do you think will come in after its legalized? Billions. The gambling ban was to eliminate foreign competition so shops could be set up in this country.

The I Gaming companies are 'big business' look at their revenues, stock flotations, etc..

Now....theres no way Bush will sign this bill unless of course there are complications with Antigua/World Trade. So, assuming there wont be, the best chance this bill stands would be an all democratic congress and a democratic president. Which frankly could happen cause republicans are fucked up beyond belief.....so....bill passes around 2009-2010. Sigh.

This is a Washington State local issue. Rep. Chris Strow has simply stated that he doesn't think I Gaming, should be a felony, under Washington state law. Which it is now.

Nothing to do with Bush.
 

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Forgot to mention we have no casinos in our state, totally illegal! I usually go to Dover Delaware or Atlantic City...but this....takes the cake!!!
 

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I thought horse racing has always been treated differently and this seems to be specifically aimed at horse racing.

Hope I get this right, but this is how I understand it. This bill is important in that it would make online gambling legal in Washington State. That will mean that the national laws which specifies funding for illegal internet gambling should not apply if you are in the state of Washington because internet gambling would no longer be regarded as illegal in the state.
 

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State's rights? One would hope. Washington's 'sister state' has outlawed gambling, wtf?
 
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Here's a good article on this bill (from I-Gaming News); thought you all would enjoy:

Wash. Prohibition Bill Could Lose Some of Its Bite

A Washington state legislator says in-home recreational Internet gambling should not be a felony, and he is making sure the law agrees with him.

Senate Bill 6613, enacted in June 2006, extended the state's Gambling Act of 1973--which, like the federal Wire Act of 1961, prohibits making wagers over phone lines--by prohibiting gambling that uses new technologies such as the Internet. Unlike the Wire Act, which contains concise language related to betting on events (sports betting), the amended Washington law makes all forms of electronic gambling illegal.

Violating the Gambling Act was originally considered a gross misdemeanor, but SB 6613 included an amendment increasing the punishment to a Class C felony, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a $10,000 fine or both. The law made no distinction between the casual bettor and the gambling enterprise.

Rep. Chris Strow wants to clearly make that distinction and fix a mistake he feels was made last year. So, he introduced on Jan. 23 House Bill 1243, which would provide an affirmative defense for someone found in violation the Gambling Act.

"As long as you show that you were gambling for recreational purposes, including if you were using money, but not running a business, and you were doing it in your primary domicile, the felony charge would not be valid," Strow explained. "The distinction is that people cannot run a for-profit site, which does not mean people cannot gamble for money on the Internet; it means they cannot run their own gambling Web site."

He said the reason for going that route as opposed to stripping the felony language altogether is that it still leaves some enforcement tools to go after some other elements in the gambling world unrelated to Internet gambling, which was the actual driver behind the Class C felony.

Strow voted in favor of SB 6613, but he said he was unaware of the Class C felony language in the bill.

"Nobody in the House of Representatives knew that the felony language was in there," Strow said. "It slipped in over on the Senate side."

He explained that the felony language was added in after it passed in the House.

"Regardless of this, what was presented to us was a bill that was to bring the state's gambling policies in line with federal rules," Strow said. "Now, for good or for bad we took it at face value."

But, he said when he discovered he had not been made aware of the true nature of the legislation, he began to question the felony component of the law.

"When I believed that we had not been fully disclosed to on this issue and I started talking to individual constituents about this, I just told them [Senate], 'There is absolutely no reason you should be making Internet gaming--particularly if you're doing it for recreational purposes from your own home--a felony, or, frankly, a gross misdemeanor.' There's a ludicrous lack of respect in doing what we did."

After SB 6613 passed Alison R. Grazzini, legislative assistant to the bill's sponsor, Democratic Sen. Margarita Prentice, acknowledged that enforcing the law would be a challenge. Some theorized the state would go after credit card companies and Internet service providers. Grazzini said that making the penalty more severe could deter Washington residents from partaking in online gambling services.

Strow confirmed, however, that the Gambling Commission has subsequently said that the law is unenforceable.

Strow regrets that last year's legislation and the House's misunderstanding of the bill have turned into much unintended consequences and a lack of due diligence and open discussion.

"I'm culpable for voting for a bill that I did not understand, as did I think 97 other members of the House of Representatives," Strow said. "A citizen legislature makes mistakes, and this is one of them. I believe it is our duty to correct them."

HB 1243 is awaiting a hearing in the House Commerce and Labor Committee.
 

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"Nobody in the House of Representatives knew that the felony language was in there," Strow said. "It slipped in over on the Senate side."
What is it with these people ?? Do they not know what they are voting for?? They need to get their head out of their arses and READ just what it is they are condemning!
 
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