Intercasino

[antibes]

I have been flat betting $2 on BJ going for the monthly $90 bonus.

Afer $2250 wagering I have lost $150 - so $60 of my own money.

I follow the WoO almost exactly.

I have lost count of the Blackjacks and 21s they have got.

When I get 12 - 16 I always get a 10.

I do ok for a while then lose about $40 in a short while, do ok then the same thing happen.

Does everybody else do well at Intercasino. I never have done.

 

[johnsteed]

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Hi Antibes,

I have had the same experiences as you with their BJ. I think it's crap (although I think InterCasino is a great operation). I know that you're bound to get some responses that will (my guess because I've seen them before) state:


- InterCasino is streaky. You'll lose 10 in a row, and just as easily you'll win 10 in a row.


- I withdrew over $1,000 just last week playing their BJ flatbetting! And it was in my NeTeller account in just under 24-hours.


- Streaks come and go, but rest assured, InterCasino BJ is solid and fair.


And on the other end (which falls in line with my experiences, therefore shaping my perception of their junk BJ) of the spectrum...


- I always lose their. In fact, I just quit playing their because of the dealer always drawing BJ. As of last week, my account is closed.


- I lost my monthly match-bonus w/deposit on minimum bets placed, in just under 30 minutes.


Like they say, "Up's and Down's".


I've played there several times, playing it by the book, and I would agree that it IS very streaky. I've been on the wrong end of those streaks each time. Zipping from $100 (deposit) to $0 in a under 30 minutes each time. I used to list their BJ as being the worst that I've come by... actually, it probably still is. But... I know others do well there (as stated by various posters). I find that most online BJ is junk unless you're playing with Live Dealers. I read that GrandMaster does well at single deck BJ via MG (roughly even), and I think that it's quite good (but for the record, while I do okay on small bets playing the Flash Version of single deck, I ALWAYS 100% get hammered when I increase my bets over $10... ALWAYS - ALWAYS- ALWAYS, I've read that it doesn't matter, and that the software doesn't take note of the value of the bet, but it ALWAYS happens to me... so I'm VERY gunshy about MG BJ). Global Player... similar to my experience with InterCasino BJ. I've only done well with PlayTech BJ (in the past), and RTG has been okay (until the software starts speeding-up at blinding speeds).


Like you, I get this "feeling" that things aren't going to be good when I keep getting 12's and pulling face cards. I love BJ, but I'll only play with Live Dealers (or at a B&M operation) these days.

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antibes

Does everybody else do well at Intercasino? I've never done well there.

Nope.



Steed

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[antibes]

Thanks for your reply Steed.

I know there will be comments like - Intercasino is one of the most trusted etc.

I have just finished playing - flat betting $2 - and I have lost $200.

They were getting BJ twice more than me - but the number of times they hit 21 on the 3rd and 4th card was ridiculous. I hit it a few times but they were doing it all the time.

Every time I had 12 - 16 I was getting a 10. When I doubled on 9 - 11, I never got one.

When I was getting 20 and 21 I was getting pushed.

I do not know how it is possible to lose $200 flat betting at $2. What do the H/A figures state - I've wagered about $5,000 today.

I don't care if anybody says I am a bad loser etc., but today was ridiculous.

I have sent them emails and hope they ban me.

 

[chuchu59]

Hi antibes,

You wont be banned. Most likely, you will get an answer where they will proclaim that each and every hand is generated by their RNG(Random Number Generator) and your unlcuky streaks are well, just streaks. They will say that they have cannot influence the outcome of any hand and defend that the software is not designed to churn out these streaks because if this were true, some players would take advantage of this by betting big whenever the cards were in their favour. These were some of the points made by intercasino to me when I complained about their Carribean Poker about 4 years ago. All these said,however, I do believe that Crypto software is the culprit more than intercasino as I also got something akin to your experiences when playing $2 flat at BJ in Sands of the Carribean.

It's funny how the cards can come out like that. With MG and RTG BJ,even if there are bad streaks, they are quite like what you experience at B&M casinos. However,BJ at Crypto and BJ Switch at Playtech are just too much in my opinion.

 

[antibes]

Yes that was the reply I got to the first email I sent.

I sent another when I finished playing after losing $200!

What I don't understand most are the H/A statistics.

Are they supposed to have an advantage of 1% or something. Where are these figures taken from?

I have been playing BJ for a year and no way have I only lost 1%. More like 20%.

 

[johnsteed]

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chuchu59

However,BJ at Crypto and BJ Switch at Playtech are just too much in my opinion.

Hi "chuchu59",


This isn't exactly what you had stated above, but I find it odd that each software has it's own frequency of patterns that arise when the cards are dealt and how they're played-out (w/ multi-hand that is...). If there was ever an independent test where I had to figure-out what BJ game belonged with which one of the 4 big providers (w/elaborate set-up to hide the actual software's graphics while hooked-up to a generic graphics screen that would be used for all 4 providers), I do believe I would ace that test (going 4-for-4). Having played each one of the Big-4's (MG/PlayTech/RTG/Cryptologic) BJ more times than I should have over the years, each software seems to succumb to distinguishable patterns (over a vast amount of hands, specifically with multihand BJ) of how the cards are dealt, and how they play-out. To be clear, in no way am I suggesting that I can figure-out the outcome (a farse) of the games. Now, THAT would be great.


I think that Casino-On-Net (888.com) is probably the best online BJ game out there ("feels" the most random), but I think everything comes second to B&M and "live online dealers" (although, that can be REAL slow).


Steed


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[chuchu59]

Hi Johnsteed,

I agree fully that CON has the best BJ game. You only get that odd winning/losing streak. Sigh! However,since I am based in Hong Kong, they cannot accept me as a player anymore though they were very nice when they informed of that several months ago.

On the other versions of BJ,yes there do seem to be distinguishable patterns that emerge after a long playing period but with the human factor dominant,we are likely to believe in our BJ knowledge(or the lack of it) rather than our gut feelings. I have always believed that with these softwares,you can win if a robot is used to play the hands and determine the betting size.

 

[chuchu59]

Yes that was the reply I got to the first email I sent.

I sent another when I finished playing after losing $200!

What I don't understand most are the H/A statistics.

Are they supposed to have an advantage of 1% or something. Where are these figures taken from?

I have been playing BJ for a year and no way have I only lost 1%. More like 20%.

The 1% should be the House Advantage figure. Normally,every game has a house advantage,with I believe Baccarat having the lowest H/A. There are scientific calculations for these but I think Grandmaster would be the expert in answering these.

Theoretically,if your total wagers are $1000, then you should be $10 in the red if you play flat hands of say $1 or $2. You say that you have lost about 20% of your deposits but if you have played your deposits 20 times,this average is about right. You must not forget that the expected loss is not only determined by the H/A but also by the turnover of the deposit.

 

[antibes]

So when I wagered $5,000 yesterday on Intercasino, I should allow a loss of $50 right away.

I don't really understand about the 20% deposit.

I just meant that I have lost more than 1% since I've been playing - but not 20% when I think about it.

When I wrote that I had just finished playing and was a little on tilt after losing the $200.

I've since calmed down - even apologised to Intercasino for the email. (though i still don't know how they did get so many 21s compared to me!)

I lived in Hong Kong for a year - quite a few years ago.

 

[-z-]

I have to agree.. my experience too is they are very streaky.
I've won a little, and lost a little there, but no bankruptcy yet.

2500 wagering as you mentioned should only bust once in 70 times.
5000 WR- You should bust roughly once every 12 times you play.. or so I've heard.

Maybe check your that your BJ chart matches the specific flavor of game.. www.wizardofodds.com has good charts. Thats the only suggestion I can think of.

-z-

 

[tencardcharlie]

The HA for blackjack is more like 0.5%, at crypto it's 0.49% following basic strategy. Losing 100 bets while doing 2500 bets WR is nothing extreme anyway.

I know how it feels though - after a bad session a few days ago I was sure bossmedia was cheating on me After doing the calculations however, I discovered that it was actually just about a 1/100 event. Bad luck, but nothing to worry about. It always feels "streaky" when you lose.

 

[nafanny29]

Bring back the old stanley casinos, now they dealt a fair game of BJ that im not convinced ive seen anywhere else

 

[tencardcharlie]

Bring back the old stanley casinos, now they dealt a fair game of BJ that im not convinced ive seen anywhere else

Care to elaborate?

 

[antibes]

I have just been betting in William Hill at $1 a hand BJ.

I lost $40 in $220 bets.

I know it isn't a lot of money but should you really be losing that much in such a short period of bets.

Why do I never win $40 after $220.

You guys who play BJ for the fun of it without doing a bonus amaze me.

If any of you say you make on BJ I would like to know what stategy you are playing, because the WoOdds does not work on any internet site I have tried.

 

[BubbleG]

You've played nowhere near enuff hands to question the RNG. Even playing perfect BS you are going to end up losing at some point. Correct me if i'm wrong but you will start an 8 hand losing streak about once every 435 hands, not plaing perfectly will no doubt amplify this.

I'm sure things will even out in the long run.....

Inter rules in my book, I do ok there

 

[nafanny29]

Care to elaborate?

They used to run 2 download casinos called Crockfords and Stanley Bet. This is only my opinion but the blackjack there was the ONLY one that I felt was 100% fair and random. I still havnt found any other online casino that I can say comes close.

edit. Possibly Harrods is but I havnt played enough to say for certain.

 

[KasinoKing]

This is the first time I've seen this thread.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who tries to take advantage of the best on-going monthly casino bonus in the world by flat-betting BJ gets exactly what they deserve. I hope everyone doing this loses.

Please people - do not abuse this bonus - you wont find a better one.

Just my 2c.

 

[antibes]

Just lost another $40 from $342 bets - flat betting $1 again.

That's a loss of $111 in 4 sessions from $802 bets.

I don't know how to paste from the WH log viewer.

I am used to this as it happens in Intercasino and other sites.

What I can't understand is all you guys saying - oh you have to bet $1 million for it to even out and crap like that. I've been playing for a year doing the bonuses and this happens every month.

I use the WoOdds chart almost exactly - but the dealer is getting 20 and 21 almost every hand. When you get 12 - 16 you bust, but they don't.

I have never beaten these casinos on BJ, and anyone who says they do, I wouldn't believe them.

 

[dickens1298]

I can empathize with you for your losses. MY personal experiences with Crypto software (WH, Intercasino, Sands, Omni) indicate that they ARE quite streaky - there are times when it feels as if I cannot lose, yet other times when I'm continually facing dealer 20s with my 15s and 16s. Of course, I've seen and experienced similar in land casinos.

As for any claim that I win on Crypto blackjack - I guess I'm one of the ones you would NOT believe, because I can generally pull out some sort of win (however marginal). There have been some months when I've lost my entire deposit and bonus, others where I've doubled it, and still others (like this month) where my only profit was the bonus.

Just lost another $40 from $342 bets - flat betting $1 again.

That's a loss of $111 in 4 sessions from $802 bets.

I don't know how to paste from the WH log viewer.

I am used to this as it happens in Intercasino and other sites.

What I can't understand is all you guys saying - oh you have to bet $1 million for it to even out and crap like that. I've been playing for a year doing the bonuses and this happens every month.

I use the WoOdds chart almost exactly - but the dealer is getting 20 and 21 almost every hand. When you get 12 - 16 you bust, but they don't.

I have never beaten these casinos on BJ, and anyone who says they do, I wouldn't believe them.

 

[Macgyver]

$100 deposit back + $426 in profit playing single-player blackjack at Intercasino this month.

Fine with me if you don't believe it, though I will say that I lost my $40 deposit and $40 bonus at William Hill this month, too. That was tempered, though, by finding a little over $25 (I'm assuming comps) in my account which I withdrew before making the $40 deposit.

Lost $15 at Will Hill then and, yeah, I'll have some extra WR there to clear next month.

 

[antibes]

Hi

I am really just trying to understand how someone does win.

I only ever flat bet - if I started doubling I would be afraid of losing even more.

My 4 sessions on William Hill today have been:

Total bets Result

129 -15.50
87 -19.50
244 -37
342 -39.50

I don't always split, but apart from that follow the chart.

I don't understand this 0,50 H/A. To me the above results show that is nonsense.

It isn't just today I've had figures like this. I've been playing about a year and had lots of these. And I never do balance out.

Does this happen in live land casinos. We aren't allowed them in the country where I live so I've never been to one.

It's just the idea that these cards are not from a deck of cards that you can see like when you are in a live casino. The amount of times the dealer gets 19, 20 and 21 on the computer is amazing and quite annoying.

Admittedly I only play for a bonus - I really don't see the point of throwing my own money away like today.

 

[GrandMaster]

They used to run 2 download casinos called Crockfords and Stanley Bet. This is only my opinion but the blackjack there was the ONLY one that I felt was 100% fair and random. I still havnt found any other online casino that I can say comes close.

edit. Possibly Harrods is but I havnt played enough to say for certain.

I never understood the big deal about the old Stanley software. I had one of my worst losing streaks there and it was excruciatingly slow. My theory is that because it was so slow, you would lose money much slower, this is why it seemed fair.

I don't always split, but apart from that follow the chart.

You should stick to basic strategy.

 

[antibes]

You mean follow the WoOdds chart religiously?

Like I mean I don't see the advantage of splitting 8s when the dealer has 10.

Yesterday when I was playing, 9 times out of 10 the dealer was getting another 10.

And can you use the basic chart for all BJ or do you have to change charts depending on the software.

I never know where to find out which software a site is using.

Tks

 

[GrandMaster]

You mean follow the WoOdds chart religiously?

I also use some composition dependent exceptions.

Like I mean I don't see the advantage of splitting 8s when the dealer has 10.

Here are the expected values from the Wizard. Stand: -0.537752 Hit: -0.536485 Split:-0.476849. All the options suck, but in the long run you will lose least if you split.

Yesterday when I was playing, 9 times out of 10 the dealer was getting another 10.

You should keep proper records, and you should find that the dealer is not drawing another 10 90% of the time.

And can you use the basic chart for all BJ or do you have to change charts depending on the software.

Yes, you have to use the correct chart for the given set of rules.

I never know where to find out which software a site is using.

It should be on the website, if not, ask CS. If you cannot find out, don't play there.

 

[antibes]

Thanks GM.

Could I ask what your exceptions are - or is that a secret!