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Inter-Casino Progressive Jackpot Games

Discussion in 'Ask the Meister' started by Helen Pavlova, Feb 7, 2002.

  1. Hello!

    I need you help.

    Would you please tell me what the phrase "Inter-Casino Progressive Jackpot Games" means?

    Hope you'll have a minute to answer me.

    Many thanks ahead.
     
  2. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hi Helen,

    What you are referring to are the "progressives" at Intercasino. There are three of these games which are more or less cyber-slot machines: "Triple Olives", "Rags to Riches" and video poker "Super Jackpot" As you place bets at these games, the jackpot amount increases because the money that you lose is placed in the "kitty". Now the amounts for the jackpot winnings can become pretty impressive since most Cryptologic casinos host these games and everyone who is playing these games is contributing to the jackpot; thus the term progressive.

    Hopefully this makes sense and answers your question.

    Bryan
     
  3. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    I am convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that most of these so called "progressive" jackpots are NOT REAL. I am not speaking specifically about Cryptologic casinos, since I have no way to know. For the purpose of this discussion, I will assume all Cyptologic progrssives are totally legit. I am speaking in general about most online casinos that offer these games.

    The jackpots are phony.
    The winners are phony.
    The $$$ amounts are inflated by "hot air".
    Someone at the worldwide progressive server
    decides to fart. In turn, the jackpot grows.

    I can't believe how many people in these forums actually believe its for real. Get A Life! :)
    LACK OF REGULATION IS THE CASINO'S LICENSE TO STEAL YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY.

    Most of the time, the casino licensee isn't aware of the theft going on. This entire scam is usually perpetrated by the software developer.

    Sometimes the software developer invents a player out of thin air. Other times the winner is a relative or friend of someone on the board of directors. In order for the scam to seem legit, they --MAY-- need a real person. They may want to advertise this player's photo in one of the 5 major US publications: Casino Player, Double Down, Chance,The Gambler, or Gambling Online (GOM).

    Isn't it amazing how this same person repeatedly wins multiple progressive jackpots.

    Noone here has any evidence any of this is real.
    Try writing to any major software developer.
    I have.

    They refuse to release the details on the grounds that its all "CONFIDENTIAL."

    I have the urge to quote PT Barnum, but in this instance, I will exersize remarkeable restraint.
     
  4. mrracetrack

    mrracetrack Dormant account

    Dave r,

    Usually I agree with 98% of things you
    post, but this time I must disagree.

    I have won (and collected)on a Progressive
    Slot jackpot. In Dec. 2000 I hit the
    "Fruit Fiesta" jackpot for $21,000
    (at the Riverbelle) Shocked & surprised,
    and even more when I got a $11,900 check.
    (the rest was refunded to my credit cards)

    So it does happen!! :p
     
  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Agreed, (with mrracetrack) Dave R.,

    Beyond a shadow of a doubt??? Microgaming discloses fully who their winners are and so has Boss media! The winners have even been photographed and interviewed, and some of these interviews have been broadcast on casinogazette.

    I don't believe these jackpot winnings have been faked. There is too much evidence to suggest otherwise. Of course, some people believe the moon landings were created in a studio as well. :D

    ~b
     
  6. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    HOW CAN ONE PERSON BE SO LUCKY?

    Jean G hits Lotsaloot for the 8th time!
    She's done it again!

    This time the lucky lady won $65,075.75 on her favorite game Lotsaloot!

    After her last win, Jean said: "If I win again I will get a tattoo with the Lotsaloot logo
    on it!!!"

    Did you do it yet, Jean???


    Jean's Amazing Wins

    2001
    Aug 28
    $65,075.75

    Jan 25 $17,353.64
    2000

    Dec 2 $13,355.87

    Nov 4 $68,562.14

    Sept 21 $64,731.32

    Aug 30 $39,629.53

    Aug 23 $87, 710.80

    Aug 14 $27,476.30

    Ever wonder if Jean G. is a shill for Microgaming? I'm not making any accusations
    here, since I have no proof of anything.
    But let's assume Microgaming didn't want to have to pay some of its jackpots, and
    setup a phony winner to collect it. Sunny Group then gives the winner a free trip to
    Trinidad, where a photo is taken with a big fat check. If its a fake winner,
    Microgaming pays nothing, except a small fee to this person (who might very well
    be a relative of one of the board of directors of MGS). And this "Jean G" enjoys her
    free trip to the Caribbean.

    Than again, maybe its legit.

    But always remember. There's no regulation.
     
  7. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    Bryan, you are one of the good guys, and I have no bone to pick with you. Casinomeister has always been my favorite forum, and I have considered this place my "home away from home" since its inception 3-4 yrs ago. We may not always agree on everything, but you've been very truthful with myself and other forum members, and in an industry this corrupt, the truth counts for a lot.

    We will have to agree to disagree on this issue.
    I have emailed the senior staff at Microgaming (Lisa W, Kurt S, Dean S, Clitnon T, Avron M. etc.)on numerous occasions regarding progressive jackpots. Everything has been a huge secret with them. All I ever get is stonewalling and delaying tactics. They are very careful as to what they disclose to the general public. Perhaps this policy has recently changed, so I will give things another chance.

    ~B, you are about to introduce Jackpot Willie to your website. I will wait until this introduction is complete, and then I will go on a mission to gather evidence about these "winners". In the past, everything has been kept "confidential" except a players first and (sometimes) last name, and what state they are from.

    Now how do you propose I go about finding out if these players are indeed REAL players, or if they were invented out of thin air? As I said, perhaps they are shills who are relatives of the software developers. Where's the EVIDENCE that any money has changed hands from CASINO/SOFTWARE SUPPLIER AND PLAYER. Has any reliable accounting firm verified that these payouts were for real?

    In most cases there is NO EVIDENCE. Why? Because there's no regulation. Cheating is rampant, and the mob is tied to online gambling just as it was in Las Vegas in the days before true regulation. Right now its the Wild Wild West days of online casino gambling. Anything goes. If a consumer is ripped off because the software is rigged, its his or her loss.

    I'm sorry to be such a naysayer, but I am also a realist. It is not my nature to be pesemistic. In fact, in most endeavors in my life, I consider myself an eternal optimist. Not when it comes to gambling online. I've seen to many crooks. Too many scams. Too many fake, phony, frauds. As I've said many times, almost everyone is "bought and paid for".

    Just because a so called "winner" has been photographed and interviewed doesn't mean it real.
    Scams such as this are carefully orchestrated.
    When a company is able to keep several hundred thousand dollars in additional profit, this is huge incentive to cheat.

    Since you want to compare me to those people that believe moon landings were orchestrated; all I can do is laugh. Once again, I am not paranoid, but just a realist. Even the author of "Beat The Dealer", Edward Thorp believes he was cheated by land based casinos, on numerous occasions, in the days prior to regulation. Thorp is the authority on blackjack (even Spearmaster has this book, ahem). Just read chapter 7. Also buy Frank Scoblete's book, "Victory at Video Poker" and read his chapter on cheating. Back in the 1980's cartain land based casinos bought video blackjack games programmed by Sega. These machines were not in Vegas, but in other regulated area (handled by Indian Gaming Commissions). These games were set to a percentage payout, and were NOT randowm. In most cases the machines were set to 83% payout. But there was nothing informing the player s/he was playing a non-random game, since most gaming commissions consider video poker and video bj to be a SLOT machine, AND NOT A GAME OF SKILL. In fact, according to Scoblete himself, even in Atlantic City, the CCC still considers video poker a slot machine. (And therefore even though it must pay above 83%, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE RANDOM). The Nevada Gaming Commission did rule that video poker is a game is skill, so in Vegas, the game DOES have to be random. If you play in Atlantic City, and play an IGT machine, the likeyhood is that the game is random. But my point is that the gaming commission still hasn't mandated that -- SO THERE'S NO GUARANTEE.

    Mr. Racetrack - Consider yourself one of only a very small percentage of real players that have won a progressive online. You don't realize how lucky you truly are.
     
  8. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    Oh and one more thing, I've heard FooFoo do interviews on CasinoGazette with disreputable casinos/software companies. Look what happened to Rated Player. It disappeared without a trace. Then all of a sudden its back under a new name: Casino Extreme. Eric Morris of Gambling Online confirmed publicly that the Mr. Cloud was back as a full partner. What's even more amazing is that Casino Extreme was OPA Approved. Prior to Adkin's disappearance, I think he was getting ready to put them on the not-recommended list.

    Now remember when Mike announced the Oriental Casino $1 million winner. Does anyone, in thier right mind, think CyberCroupier gave away this prize. They can't even afford to payout the $10 no purchase promo they advertised on all 5 of thier sites. What a joke. They broke the T&C on all thier websites and screwed these players out of thier winnings by calling them "bonuse abusers". Where's the evidence, MIKE, that this prize was real?

    Did Boss ever supply you with this?

    I want to make it clear that I am one of CasinoGazette.com's biggest fans, and I can't thank Mike enough for starting this new medium.
    However, just because winnings are announced on CasinoGazette doesn't mean they are real.

    P.S.
    A long time ago, a friend of mine won a contest on Mike's radio show, and I know the contest $$$ were paid out -- by the OPA itself, and the check was signed by Steve's wife.
     
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hi Dave R,

    What you pose is a difficult undertaking, but there is a solution I'm sure. I just haven't thought of it yet, but there is one.

    Just like with the contests that are run here. Who's to say I don't make up the names and state that they are the winner and save myself some cash? Well, for one thing it's dishonest, and another thing, if anyone were to find out, it would be the end of Casinomeister. I publish the names and a few testimonials, but not the home towns and email addresses just to protect the winners' privacy. I'm lucky that a few regulars here have won (Portia, Colly, to name a few) and a few players have won twice.

    The same can be applied to Microgaming. They could make up the names, or just hire some shills, and deceive everyone. Well, I don't think it would be plausible since besides being dishonest, if it were leaked out, it would be the end of a multimillion $ corporation. With so many "winners" there would be too many chances of someone "squealing like a pig". Perhaps one jackpot winner, or maybe two would be believably do-able, but with the volume that they have now? It wouldn't be a convincing undertaking.

    But how do we know? This query is important to quell since the fact that there are winners should be unquestionable. I'm sure there is an answer, but I don't know what it is yet. Perhaps thoughts from others will help.

    Interviews could be done, like they've been done in the past. But maybe there needs to be something else that wouldn't impose on the players' privacy.

    ~b
     
  10. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    LotsaLoot is Jean Gs game and theres luck in Jeans genes! An active mother and hardworking parts manager for a car dealership, Jean holds the record for the most times one player has won a progressive online jackpot. She has won on the LotsaLoot progressive no less than eight times for a grand total of $383,595.35! Thrilled winner Jean tells us that the wins really changed her life, It is nice to be able not to worry about your bills, it is a stress when you are living
    week to week, so the winnings helped me to live a stress-free life from that end. So now I am happy. Also, now I can go into a store and buy something that I need or want, when before the winnings, just like most people I had to think twice."
     
  11. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    :rolleyes:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    August 22, 2001 Posted: 11:06 AM EDT (1506 GMT)

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI on
    Tuesday arrested eight people
    allegedly involved in a scheme to
    defraud the McDonald's Corp. of
    some $13 million by rigging several
    of the fast food company's
    promotional games since as early as
    1995.

    The scheme -- involving friends and
    close-knit family members, including a
    husband and wife -- was initially
    reported by a citizen who "came
    forward and roughly described a
    conspiracy" that was confirmed by
    further investigation, said acting FBI
    Director Thomas Pickard.

    Attorney General John Ashcroft said the
    eight suspects are charged with fixing
    the outcome of the contests -- including the recent "Pick Your Prize Monopoly"
    game -- by controlling the distribution of the high prize values.

    More arrests are expected, the officials said.

    Ashcroft identified the ringleader of the scam as
    Jerome P. Jacobson, 58, known as "Uncle Jerry,"
    a security official with Simon Marketing -- the
    Georgia-based company that McDonald's hired to
    run the Monopoly game.

    "The complaint alleges that Jacobson provided the
    winning game pieces to his friends and associates
    who acted as recruiters," Ashcroft said. "These
    recruiters then solicited others who falsely and
    fraudulently represented that they were the
    legitimate winners of the McDonald's games."

    Click on link above to continue...
     
  12. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    Why is it that almost everything i read is relative to underhandedness?

    This online gaming industry seriously needs regulating.

    Is nothing sacred online?
     
  13. dave_r

    dave_r Dormant account

    Admin ~B said:
    With so many "winners" there would be too many
    chances of someone "squealing like a pig".

    The above quote by Ashcroft says it all:

    "These recruiters then solicited others who falsely and fraudulently represented that they were the legitimate winners of the McDonald's games."

    OK, the Mickey D's scam was going on since 1995.
    It took 5 YEARS until someone squealed.
    That's an awfully long time, don't you think!

    Amazingly enough, sweepstakes like that ARE REGULATED by the US Government, and so the truth did come out in the end.

    On the other hand, online casinos don't have to worry about being regulated, since there server is setup on some Caribbean island or Indian Reservation, and no legitimate goverment has
    ANY AUTHORITY.
     
  14. mrracetrack

    mrracetrack Dormant account

    Dave,

    I somewhat agree with your feelings
    about this. I think that anytime "money"
    is involved, people will try to cheat & scam.
    Games & contests have had "scandals"
    surrounding them since the fifties, when
    the game show "$64,000 Question" was found
    to have provided the answers in advance
    to contestants. The "Mickey D" scam was
    really "waiting to happen".

    As re "progressive Jackpots", I think these are good promo and publicity items for the various
    casino's to tout their "huge payouts" and
    attract more business.

    You must realize, that these "Jackpots" are
    not a "loss" for the casino, but a separate
    pool developed from the overall play on these
    "Jackpot" slots. There would be no reason for
    these NOT to be legitimate, unless the casino
    in question had no intention of paying a player
    regardless how the money was won.

    In Microgaming's Jackpots, these provide a large
    part of their promo advertising. That person who
    won the 8 jackpots, may very well have "invested"
    nearly as much as she has collected.

    I was "refunded" over $9000 to my credit cards
    when I won, so you can see that I had invested a
    large amount of money, prior to this "big win".

    I do think the Microgaming "Jackpots" are
    for real. Others?? Who knows.... :eek:
     
  15. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    C'mon Dave, you're stirring the pot again! :)

    Firstly, yes I had "Beat the Dealer" a long time ago :) Great book!

    Secondly, Mr Racetrack, congrats - you never even told me that!

    Dave - it should be blatantly obvious to you that if Microgaming wanted to use a shill, they would NEVER EVER use the same person 8 times. The likely truth of the matter is that Jean - and her mother and her daughter, for that matter - probably are playing Lotsaloot 12 hours a day.

    Another person, Blake N, hit three jackpots in about a six-week period, and has since gone on to hit a few more. I have corresponded with this person and let me tell you, if he was a shill, he sure don't spell dat good, and his punctuation ain't great, but you sure as hell can see the excitement and gratitude in his posts - and as a writer, editor, and overall chameleon I can tell you that no shill could ever have put that past me.

    For you to bring up MickeyD is just no excuse - it has nothing to do with online gambling, and there's no need to prove that scams occur - I think we're all intelligent enough to figure that out.

    Mr Racetrack, would you kindly tell us all what JackpotMadness sent you when you won? Since I know what the contents are supposed to be, that will easily verify your claim - and put Dave's into some doubt.
     
  16. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    Hmmm.A positive(ish) post..

    I did wonder when someone was going to address the fact that if Dave is right,then Mrracetrack must be on the payroll so to speak.
     
  17. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    While it is entirely possible that Mrracetrack is pulling the wool over my eyes, I highly, seriously doubt it - he is a genuinely nice guy whom I have had the opportunity to communicate by email a number of times, especially talking about one of his more favorite pastimes, horse racing :)

    Of course, I have been accused of being on the payroll too LOL. But I can categorically state that I am not paid by any software manufacturer in any way and nor do I represent any of them. I do, however, carry paid advertising for a number of casinos, each of which must meet relatively high standards.
     
  18. mrracetrack

    mrracetrack Dormant account

    Spearmaster,

    Thank You for the kind words.

    I wish I WAS on someones payroll!
    It would be nice to have a few extra bucks
    coming in! LOL ;)
     
  19. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Another thing that kinda blows Dave's conspiracy theory out of the water (at least for MG casinos) is that MG has had a falling out with a number of their liscencees; GP and the English Harbour Group for example. I would think that if anyone had the slightest knowledge of any scam, they would have "squealed".

    The McDonald's analogy doesn't work because most of those people were family and friends. The MG jackpot winners are all over the Globe. Some don't even speak or read english all that well and to have them agree to some sort of scam would be a real effort for translators, and then they would be involved.

    While we're at it, did you ever wonder why the Apollo moon-walkers never took a picture of the earth from the moon? Hmmm....


    ~b
     
  20. amandajm

    amandajm Experienced Member

    ~B..Apparently.In fact,not even apparently,but something i heard from a friend of mine to be exact..The moon landing/s was real.I am a bit sceptical/skeptical,but he insists any half decent astronomer with a fairly good telescope can home in on a small diamond shaped mirror thingy placed on the moon by the moon crew..Put there as irrevocable proof of the landing he says.He was adamant this is fairly common knowledge.Anyone here ever heard of this?Any half decent astronomers here on the board?

    And before anyone asks;the answer is yes..My current straight jacket does pinch a bit...
     

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