iNet 23%?

[kakata]

....thats the way they answer to your (supposed)threath...
...and believe me they dont give s***t.....
I dont recall who said that we,the casinomeister gang, are considered whiners for Inetbet...
well Im considered a pain in the ass....but thats another story

 

[jelsmith]

Terry,
I am very sorry that your recent play has been under your expectations.
With Slots play unfortunately this can happen, it can be very cold or very hot, with seemingly no middle ground.
As I said there really is not much else to say when playing Slots, the plus is that if you hit it can be very big for a small outlay, which is I suppose the games attraction.
Please feel free to contact myself or any other member of support if we can be of any further assistance in this or any other matter.
Kind regards.
Emily
iNetBet Manager


Ok, now that you've said that a 23% payout is normal after almost 2500 spins I'll go ask the players at Casinomeister if this should be considered normal or not surprising.
Thanks for your input.

Terry,

We have not said that, you are being very unreasonable, we simply said it can be 'hot and cold', so cold periods can occur.

Threatening to post on Casinomeister (twice) because the slots are not playing as you would like is a little harsh.

Would you like us to close your account?

Regards,

James
iNetBet Manager

Hmmm...keeping players doesnt seem to their interest.....I dont have an account there....and now I never will

 

[KasinoKing]

I would love to hear KK's take on it...given his proficiency with stats...and how he tracks every single session he plays ie. number of spins, average bet, payout %, etc. I'd like to know if he has ever had that kind of return over several sessions, at one casino (any software).

I emailed iNetbet and asked for my payout percentage. 23% 2250 spins is what they sent me.

I agree with the others that 23% over 2250 spins sounds near enough impossible.
Could the 23% be a mistake?
Do you have any sort of record of your play?
If not, would you tell us how much you lost in those 2250 spins and your bet sizes?

My maths brain is a bit melted at the moment , but I'm pretty sure that if you were playing $1 spins you would have to had lost $1,732 for the return to be 23%.
(Wagers of $2250 x 77% house edge = $1,732 lost)

Lower bets would be pro-rata; e.g. at 40c spins the loss would be $693

Does that tie in with your actual experience?

KK

 

[Pinababy69]

I agree with the others that 23% over 2250 spins sounds near enough impossible.
Could the 23% be a mistake?
Do you have any sort of record of your play?
If not, would you tell us how much you lost in those 2250 spins and your bet sizes?

My maths brain is a bit melted at the moment , but I'm pretty sure that if you were playing $1 spins you would have to had lost $1,732 for the return to be 23%.
(Wagers of $2250 x 77% house edge = $1,732 lost)

Lower bets would be pro-rata; e.g. at 40c spins the loss would be $693

Does that tie in with your actual experience?

KK

Thanks KK...I keep thinking about it and it just sounds so outside any sort of acceptable parameters.

Skiny, were you playing max lines on all slots as well? Or less? I know myself sometimes on certain slots, I will only play 10 or 15 lines. It does increase the variance a certain amount.

I really think it would be worthwhile for you to make a formal request for your playlogs from Inetbet, which I'm guessing they will have to contact RTG to obtain. If that makes you a pain in the ass, I guess that's too bad. I love Inetbet, but can't say I'm overly impressed with the way this has been handled at all.

And I still can't get my head around 23%!! The more details, the better I would think....that's only if you don't mind.

But as KK said, even if you could tell us roughly how much you lost and your average bet size, the max lines thing...that would help.

 

[skiny]

Max lines, 1, 2 or 3 coin. 3 is pretty rare since I'm hitting zero over and over. Zero bonus features, almost every spin winning about a nickle or less.

I knew the play was rough. I let it slide for a while and then asked.

----- Original Message -----
From: support inetbet
To: Terry

Real-Series Video Slots
Games played.......Turnover..............Net Loss..............%
2,225..................$665.28...............$154.98...............23.3


----- Original Message -----
From: Terry
From: support inetbet

You find nothing strange after 2225 spins I'm running a 23% payout percentage?

----- Original Message -----
From: support inetbet
To: Terry

Terry,
I am very sorry that your recent play has been under your expectations....

---------------------------

I posted the rest earlier.

 

[De Beuker]

They did not give you the RTP percentage, but your net. loss percentage, thats whats caused some confusion.

The RTP is 76.7%, still very bad, but at least a bit more realistic.

Not cool how Inet handled this tough.. shall we close your account? pfff..

 

[Pinababy69]

They did not give you the RTP percentage, but your net. loss percentage, thats whats caused some confusion.

The RTP is 76.7%, still very bad, but at least a bit more realistic.

Not cool how Inet handled this tough.. shall we close your account? pfff..

Thank God for that. Yes, it's bad, but nothing anywhere close to 23%. This has been bugging me since last night.

Why in God's name give the player their loss %, as opposed to their RTP? They had to have known that's what Skiny meant?

And I agree that their offers to close the account sure don't leave one with a warm fuzzy feeling. Alot of this all stems from them providing the wrong figure in the first place. More than once Skiny referred to a 23% PAYOUT, and they never clarified it, or realized the error? Geesh. And why provide a loss % in the first place?

 

[skiny]

I'm more surprised by over 70% since my deposits didn't last more than 5 or 10 minutes and I rarely if ever hit more than half my wager.

 

[lost2much]

I know how you feel Skiny, when I complained about the piss poor play of the slots I got the exact same response from Emily (verbatum)!! The canned response bit gets really old. It makes you feel like they are treating you like a child. Hey Emily, do you really think I don't know that slots are up and down overall and that I could hit the big one at any time?? No Shit Sherlock!! I'll let you guys know if she closes my account for calling her out on this.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I'm more surprised by over 70% since my deposits didn't last more than 5 or 10 minutes and I rarely if ever hit more than half my wager.

With the correct figure, and the small sample, this IS normal. It does not matter whether this was one session, or many, the games are random, and random doesn't care whether all games were played at once, or over several days/weeks/months/years.........

 

[chuchu59]

Terry,
I am very sorry that your recent play has been under your expectations.
With Slots play unfortunately this can happen, it can be very cold or very hot, with seemingly no middle ground.
As I said there really is not much else to say when playing Slots, the plus is that if you hit it can be very big for a small outlay, which is I suppose the games attraction.
Please feel free to contact myself or any other member of support if we can be of any further assistance in this or any other matter.
Kind regards.
Emily
iNetBet Manager


Ok, now that you've said that a 23% payout is normal after almost 2500 spins I'll go ask the players at Casinomeister if this should be considered normal or not surprising.
Thanks for your input.

Terry,

We have not said that, you are being very unreasonable, we simply said it can be 'hot and cold', so cold periods can occur.

Threatening to post on Casinomeister (twice) because the slots are not playing as you would like is a little harsh.

Would you like us to close your account?

Regards,

James
iNetBet Manager

Where is the threat? Asking for opinions on a 23% return on slots over 2000+ spins on max. lines is simply obtaining feedback from experienced slot players. Inet's attitude leaves a lot to be desired.

The casino was so intent on rebutting Skiny's stance that they completely overlooked the fact that it was a 76.7% return and not 23.3% as Skiny had thought. At the end of the conversation, rather than trying to pacify the customer, they offered to close the account. Such cheek!

I recall contacting them more than a year ago to complain about the brutal Baccarat sessions. I bet on Banker and lost 11 games in a row. They wrote back and told me that they did not see that losing sequence and when I mischieviously told them that since the losing sequence did not exist I demanded a refund (I had the logs to prove it) they told me I had a 8 game winning sequence and they did not ask me for a refund then.

Whenever customers are unhappy, instead of easing the tension this casino is tops in turning up the heat and aggravating customers even more.

This whole issue could have been avoided if they could pay more attention to the customer and his concerns. 23.3% RTP is unreal and I seriously doubt this would occur over several thousand spins. Instead, the rep turned a blind eye over the figures and continued to argue with the customer implying that Skiny had read the figures correctly. Maybe they are trained to do so and refute everything that the customer says whenever they are complaint-related.

 

[footdr]

Regarding InetBet....

The casino is very very streaky. I recently cashedin 4000.00 which is my hightest after playing there over 3 years.

I don't usually deposit much and play with bonus when I can. Seems like I win larger amount per spin when I bet low.

I normally play there only when I have a large payout to my QT account.