Important slot questions for software providers

degerardo

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Hello Providers
A few question I'd like to ask and I think the community will be interested to hear them as well :)

I love slots - especially - NetEnt, Relax, NoLimit, Red Tiger-only Gonzo Megaways, Pirates Plenty series and Piggy Riches Megaways. :)
So, I'd like to ask:
1. If I play slot from ONE provider with 10000 spins, I lose 5000 Euros - leave the game and go to other game from same provider - it is starting as completely new beginning session for that new slot from the same provider, or is it counted as - from same provider across multiple slots and counting spins/wins/loses/bonuses?

2. Same kind of question but for the same slot played. If I play 10000 spins, losing 5000Euros, leave the game - come back to the same game next day, is it gonna continue where I left? I mean in number of spins, RTP, bonuses/wins/loses? Or it is starting as new beginning? I am referring to the RTP of slot, or that "random" bonus landing, wins, loses?

3. I did try from one provider a thing - I did play until I get bonus, then leave the game, go to another one from same provider, land another bonus leave, go to 3rd game - land the bonus, leave, go to 4th and 5th game landed bonus... then I went back one by one to play the bonuses. The results were kind of the same.. is it all connected between the games, or is it completely separate "random" bonus wins?

4. Across 3 or 4 different casinos - playing the same game at the same time (lets say 4. of them - I did run the test on it-results are in different thread) does the same provider applies wins, timing of bonuses, number of spins to across same slot in different casinos with same person account? IP address check?

5. Is the counting of getting bonus across all the bets? Or in the same bet? I mean, if I play 1Euro bet - 700spins without bonus, then if I go to bet 5Euros it will keep counting 701..702.. until it reach the number of spins to get bonus, or it starts again from "0" spins? <- Then if so - If I go back down to 1Euro spins - it will continue on that bet counting? Or again from "0"?

6. Is Money Train 3 happening??? Any New Pirate's Plenty series game in works? Or any new Dead or Alive 2 sequel? Or any sequel to Fire in the Hole? Dragon Tribe?

Thank you very much! I know these question are probably very inside the core of providers, but any answer will be amazing to get :)
 
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dionysus

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It doesnt much matter if you stay playing at one casino, or another, the slot doesnt care* -each spin is independent of the one previous ie it doesnt care if you won at one casino or lost at another.

Just bear in mind, casino X may have a different RTP iversion than casino Y - ie if the slot comes in different RTP options, one casino may have the 94% version, another casino may be running it at 96

*unless of course, it's something say, where you need to collect toward a bonus and it's (progress) saved where you left off at Casino X

As to whether a particlar game is coming up, or out, youd pretty much need to google, ask a member, see if there's an exisiting thread, or flag a specific igaming rep
 

Casinomeister

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Admin note - renamed the thread to make Google happy :p
 
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degerardo

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Thanks Admin for renaming it :) Just wondering if any of the providers actually have seen this and they keep quiet.
 

Halvor

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Hello Providers
A few question I'd like to ask and I think the community will be interested to hear them as well :)

I love slots - especially - NetEnt, Relax, NoLimit, Red Tiger-only Gonzo Megaways, Pirates Plenty series and Piggy Riches Megaways. :)
So, I'd like to ask:
1. If I play slot from ONE provider with 10000 spins, I lose 5000 Euros - leave the game and go to other game from same provider - it is starting as completely new beginning session for that new slot from the same provider, or is it counted as - from same provider across multiple slots and counting spins/wins/loses/bonuses?

2. Same kind of question but for the same slot played. If I play 10000 spins, losing 5000Euros, leave the game - come back to the same game next day, is it gonna continue where I left? I mean in number of spins, RTP, bonuses/wins/loses? Or it is starting as new beginning? I am referring to the RTP of slot, or that "random" bonus landing, wins, loses?

3. I did try from one provider a thing - I did play until I get bonus, then leave the game, go to another one from same provider, land another bonus leave, go to 3rd game - land the bonus, leave, go to 4th and 5th game landed bonus... then I went back one by one to play the bonuses. The results were kind of the same.. is it all connected between the games, or is it completely separate "random" bonus wins?

4. Across 3 or 4 different casinos - playing the same game at the same time (lets say 4. of them - I did run the test on it-results are in different thread) does the same provider applies wins, timing of bonuses, number of spins to across same slot in different casinos with same person account? IP address check?

5. Is the counting of getting bonus across all the bets? Or in the same bet? I mean, if I play 1Euro bet - 700spins without bonus, then if I go to bet 5Euros it will keep counting 701..702.. until it reach the number of spins to get bonus, or it starts again from "0" spins? <- Then if so - If I go back down to 1Euro spins - it will continue on that bet counting? Or again from "0"?

6. Is Money Train 3 happening??? Any New Pirate's Plenty series game in works? Or any new Dead or Alive 2 sequel? Or any sequel to Fire in the Hole? Dragon Tribe?

Thank you very much! I know these question are probably very inside the core of providers, but any answer will be amazing to get :)
1,2,3,4 & 5.

The slots do not have memory, the outcome of any given spin is not affected by the outcome of your session, previous bets or what you had for breakfast. The likelihood of winning remains the same for each spin and is decided by the maths of the game and the RNG outcome.

The RTP of a game is based on milkions millions or billions of simulated rounds, and is not based on individual players. Some will be unlucky and have a lower RTP just as others will be lucky and have a significantly higher RTP on the same game.

Just because a game got a expected hit rate of 1 in 200 for the bonus for example, does not mean you are guaranteed to hit that, it can be significantly lower or higher. Obviously the more spins you do, the closer to the expected RTP you will get, but a sample of a few thousand game rounds do not archive it.

This is also quite self explanatory, if you were guaranteed to reach the expected RTP on such a small sample of spins, everyone would consistently lose x% of their balance most sessions. And shockingly we as a industry want players to win, not constantly lose.

If you want a more balanced game play, then I strongly suggest playing games with lower volatility.

Probably ran a mile.
Or you know, it's the middle of a holiday, and the two only people tagged in this thread post as individuals and not on behalf of a company. And do not work for any of the companies mentioned by the OP. Might also be nice to remember that CM offer a unique chance for players to ask questions to the industry, but we are not obliged to be here, and most of us spend our spare time doing so.

Pretty much everything asked here have also been explained to death by Trance and occasionally others before.
 

aceking123

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1,2,3,4 & 5.

The slots do not have memory, the outcome of any given spin is not affected by the outcome of your session, previous bets or what you had for breakfast. The likelihood of winning remains the same for each spin and is decided by the maths of the game and the RNG outcome.

The RTP of a game is based on milkions millions or billions of simulated rounds, and is not based on individual players. Some will be unlucky and have a lower RTP just as others will be lucky and have a significantly higher RTP on the same game.

Just because a game got a expected hit rate of 1 in 200 for the bonus for example, does not mean you are guaranteed to hit that, it can be significantly lower or higher. Obviously the more spins you do, the closer to the expected RTP you will get, but a sample of a few thousand game rounds do not archive it.

This is also quite self explanatory, if you were guaranteed to reach the expected RTP on such a small sample of spins, everyone would consistently lose x% of their balance most sessions. And shockingly we as a industry want players to win, not constantly lose.

If you want a more balanced game play, then I strongly suggest playing games with lower volatility.


Or you know, it's the middle of a holiday, and the two only people tagged in this thread post as individuals and not on behalf of a company. And do not work for any of the companies mentioned by the OP. Might also be nice to remember that CM offer a unique chance for players to ask questions to the industry, but we are not obliged to be here, and most of us spend our spare time doing so.

Pretty much everything asked here have also been explained to death by Trance and occasionally others before.
I have a single question for you & I'm pretty sure you wont have the answer to it, as its never been answered in full, but shall ask anyway.

I would like to know what is transferred whilst loading games & what the gaming servers get ??
No one seems to have any fully explanation to what really is sent ???
Cheers
 

Halvor

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I have a single question for you & I'm pretty sure you wont have the answer to it, as its never been answered in full, but shall ask anyway.

I would like to know what is transferred whilst loading games & what the gaming servers get ??
No one seems to have any fully explanation to what really is sent ???
Cheers
Do you mean what the casino send to the provider?

I can only comment on what I've seen myself, and for all I know it might differ. But generally speaking it's limited to what's needed. Country/location, the players game ID/number for that provider with the specific casino, currency etc.

The player specific details as name, DOB, address etc are not shared.
 

aceking123

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Yes I mean what packages are sent from my side to casino then to provider, it seems far more than you've said, I understand the global point.

Would be interesting to know what else is sent from casino side do we all have a unique number ?? Does this change upon opening every single game opened up ?

Do we get a unique number at every casino etc etc

Cheers in advance if you can shed anymore light on the subject 👍
 

Halvor

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Yes I mean what packages are sent from my side to casino then to provider, it seems far more than you've said, I understand the global point.

Would be interesting to know what else is sent from casino side do we all have a unique number ?? Does this change upon opening every single game opened up ?

Do we get a unique number at every casino etc etc

Cheers in advance if you can shed anymore light on the subject 👍
There's different technical solutions, and been a few years since I've been on the casino end of the industry.

But your account will for example have a unique casino specific ID generated the first time you open a game from the provider. The ID does not carry over to other casinos.
 

degerardo

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Thank you Halvor. I really appreciate your reply! :)
I have recently played one game - it was to me and my experience the most extreme Ive ever had, so I will put here also an extreme example.
If every single spin is random - regardless any events that happened before new spin ( i.e. bonuses, max win, loosin twice max win..trillion of spins), even changing the bet up and down, or open game/close the game.. its always pure random..
That means by an extreme example:
If bonus hit is 1 out of 200 spins.. so 1 spin is a bonus spin, 199 are non bonus spins..
If all the events above are random - can I be constanty and lifetime in the 199 spins and never hit a bonus game in a trillion spins? Because I can be in that cycle of 199 spins.. but, by the extreme, I can be always and every time on that 1 spin that is bonus spin.. right? Hitting bonus every single spin - I know, Im taking this into most extreme example, but it can be like that right? If every single spin is random no matter what events were happening before that new spin.
Same for max wins, right? I can never hit it, but I can be that most lucky person in the world, stars lined up, full moon, flowers in the garden.. and hit 50 times max win out of 50 spins, right?
And all doesn't matter if I swich from bet 0.20 to bet 10 and back - it doesn't affect the new spin I do, every single time?
If so - then what's thr point of saying the stats, if they cannot be correct and nobody can predict random events as they comes randomly?
Unless behind all of this, there is a setup to the random events some sort of code - "bug"- but then they are not really random then..but set by the provider and manipulate the whole game..
 
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snorky510238

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The answer will be “yes” every outcome is possible on every spin but in truth that is not the case. Software is programmed to not allow this to happen.
 
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