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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Scounselor, Nov 15, 2006.

    Nov 15, 2006
  1. Scounselor

    Scounselor Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Mental Health Counselor
    Location:
    U.S.A., State of Alabama
    Can online casinos, since they appear to be very computerized, set slot machines to pay liberal or pay stingy? Bare with me and consider that I am a novice with trust issues. I played a reputable casino this last weekend. I put my big $25.00 down and was given $100.00 to play with on top of my $25.00 in real money. 30x's play through. O.K., I did have a ball playing for about 7 or 8 hours the first day I deposited. I only play slots and I like 2 or 3 in particular. I got "lucky" on my first several bets and won $800.00. I played and played winning $600.00, $400.00, numerous $100.00 spins, etc. O.K., I played out the 30x's to use up the bonus money and ended up with over $1,200.00 real cash. I should have taken the money and ran. But did I do that? NO! I ended my play session and the next day I started again. However, when I tried to play again, I got prompts that there was a problem with loading the games and I was supposed to contact the support desk. No live support. Nothing would load. I called the toll free number and the operator..who laughed alot...for no apparent reason I could figure out (I guess she had a problem with compulsive giggling)...told me to "close all other programs running on the PC", (there weren't any) and make sure my firewall wasn't blocking their site (It wasn't...wasn't blocking the night before...wasn't blocking then.). And she said to make sure that "ports 1902 to 2002 were open". (Huh?) Anyway, she said if all those suggestions didn't work I should call back and they would try something different. She didn't sound like "Tech Support" to me... When I signed back into the casino all the games were working and loading just fine. However, I couldn't WIN for loosing! I kid you not. The majority of my winnings were gone in no time at all. Granted, I should have cashed out and ran the night before. I did gamble away everything but $50.00 the next day. Finally, I took the fifty (back into Neteller) and decided that if I tried to spin with this last $50.00...it would be gone as quickly as the rest was. Now, my question is: Is it possible for online casinos to RESET the games so that they don't pay anymore...or pay very stingy? I was wondering that if I won so much on an initial tiny $25.00 first time deposit that maybe the casino decided to reset MY machines in order to claim back as much of their cash money as they could? Or, do the machines pay off big right at first and then take it back later? I know the casinos have the advantage but it just seemed real wierd that the night before I got so many bonus wins and the next day I couldn't get even one. I like the Spectacular Wheel of Wealth and usually I get a bonus spin every so many spins. The day I kept loosing...I got only 2 spins on the bonus wheel per 500 $2.00 spins...and I got a $20.00 "bonus" each time. Also, for all the times I've ever played this slot at any casino, I have never hit the 777. O.K. fellow experienced gamblers, tell me....am I just plain nuts? Can a casino control the payout you get from their download machines? Thanks for listening. I was playing on a Microgaming casino. The "PlayBet" log on this looks real interesting....win, win, win one day... and loose, loose, loose (a whole lot faster) the next.
     
  2. Nov 15, 2006
  3. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    Occupation:
    Devil's Advocate
    Location:
    Heaven
    Welcome to Casinomeister, scounselor!

    I'm going to answer this in kind of a short way.

    If it is a Microgaming casino, the operator does not have control over the play of any of the machines - ie. there is no "switch". Same for Playtech and Cryptologic.

    Other casinos/softwares, can't be too sure.

    The giggling support person, on the other hand, is a bit disturbing - and I'm sure the casino operator would like to know about this. If you wouldn't mind, let Casinomeister know which casino this is by PM so he can ask the operator to look into it.
     
  4. Nov 16, 2006
  5. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    MG

    The access problems ure unrelated to the game payouts.
    This is actually a common gaming experience, you can seem to do nothing wrong one day and nothing right the next. Sometimes, a casino will play red hot for seemingly ages, and will suddenly die on you taking back the winnings.
    It's probably true that there are games ready to fry you as well as freeze you out on any given day, but with 200+ to choose from (mostly slots) it is hard to pick the right one.
    Most of my big winning runs has started with a single really big hit, where I have levered up my bets and switched around trying other games. Hitting one or more other hot games with the increased bet can pay very well indeed, HOWEVER, hitting a run of cold games with the big bet can devastate the bankroll very fast indeed.

    Perhaps a better solution at the end of the day might have been to withdraw, say, $800 (locking in a profit of $750), and leave a decent sum in for the next day to see if the run is continuing.
    In this case, you would have lost that remaining amount, but, the $800 would be harder to lose, you would have to reverse the withdrawal, which can "conveniently:rolleyes: " be done for 24 to 48 hours as a service provided by the casino software which is, apparently, "much appreciated" by players.
     
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  6. Nov 16, 2006
  7. Scounselor

    Scounselor Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Mental Health Counselor
    Location:
    U.S.A., State of Alabama
    Thank you for the feedback!

    I feel better with your reassurance that the payouts for slot machines can't be controlled by some "Master Computer Program" at main casino sites.

    I guess it was Lady Luck. She loved me one day and hated me the next. I any case, I am learning a few lessons. From now on if I win ...I will take out half and leave half in the casino. I can be satisfied having half to invest elsewhere and half to play with again another day.

    So far though, I have been waiting well over 48 hours for my measly $50.00 to go back into my Neteller account. I emailed support today to inquire why the deposit hasn't happened yet. It's only $50.00 and I'm sure this casino has NO interest in keeping my $50.00. It's just annoying to wait more that 2 days and still wonder when it will come back so I can invest it elsewhere.

    I don't want to complain about them, or to them, as I may want to go back and play there again. I don't want to make any hard feelings and have them lock my account for my whining. The casino I was playing is Al-Sl--s and I hear they are very reputable. Thanks again for advise and reassurance. I'll bet with renewed confidence. And let's face it...I had many hours of entertainment on that initial $25.00 deposit!
     
  8. Nov 16, 2006
  9. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

    Occupation:
    Devil's Advocate
    Location:
    Heaven
    I think your winnings will show up shortly. 48 hours is normally long for that group, which is generally reliable.

    Good luck!
     
  10. Nov 16, 2006
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    You've come to the right play to ask 'stupid' questions! :thumbsup:

    I think the above replies have answered your questions.

    I don't want to welcome you with criticism, but I found your first post almost unreadable! :eek2: A few paragraph breaks would have made it so much easier - your second post was super! ;)

    Also (not just you!) when you gain money you 'win', when the opposite happens you 'lose' not 'loose'!
    (Sorry, one of my pet hates - along with 'there' instead of 'their', and a few others!)

    Better luck & more self-control next time! :thumbsup:
     
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  12. Nov 16, 2006
  13. just play

    just play closed account

    Occupation:
    Director of Home Operations
    Location:
    USA
    Going out on a limb here, of course this is just my opinion (I'm sure everyone will disagree)....but I DO think they are rigged. It's funny that when I take a bonus, (I don't do it very often) I get right up until I almosttttttt get past the 30x playthrough and bang, my money goes down down down......

    That's not to say I have never won at a casino, or with a bonus, but yes I do think they are rigged. It's a machine, you can set a machine to however you want to set it. Yes, I know they supposidly can get into big trouble for doing that, and the good casinos get checked out all the time, but I still have my doubts.

    Even casinos at Las Vegas get into trouble for doing that, so I'm assuming the ones online have also tried, or keep trying.
     
  14. Nov 16, 2006
  15. babs7262

    babs7262 Banned User

    Occupation:
    On Disability,p/t online slots reviewer
    Location:
    PA
    me personally

    First, thank you for that lose not loose lesson......that is a huge pet peeve of mine as well......okay......moving on


    In MY PERSONAL experience, whenever I win and cashout, I go to a different casino because every single time I play at the same one I withdrew on, I lose very fast. This could be a coincidence, but since it has happened 100% of the time after a cash out....I find it not to be "IN MY CASE"

    Everyone knows I love a certain casino and I get nice wins (nice to me) and I know I should move on after a cashout and a lot of times I don't because I like the casino so much. LOL....I always yell at myself after I lose because I know i should of moved on but didnt!!!

    Good Luck and Welcome
     
  16. Nov 16, 2006
  17. reda

    reda Senior Member PABinit

    Occupation:
    cleaning bussiness
    Location:
    HOUSTON
    I to have been in this situation lots of times and i gamble everyday. sometimes you can only get you account so high and thats it. you keep playing and hope to get it back. i have been playing before and in the middle of my spins a grey box will appear with a message from the casino. telling me to check my email or good luck . and the bos willstay there until i read it and click ok, this has happened about 3 times in the past 3 years . i thik if a casino can do that while im playing they can do anything,
     
  18. Nov 16, 2006
  19. Addisyn

    Addisyn Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Underground Sewer Access
    I have a system in place for myself. Once I double my deposit I withdraw my deposit so I am playing only on the casinos money. This doesn't always work for me but the majority of the time I walk away with at the very least my deposit.

    Yes, me too, on the pet peeve. My grandfather was an English professor. What can I say. :lolup:

    Babs I have the same thing happen to me about playing one day and losing the next almost 100% of the time. Also, when playing with a bonus on the MG software I find I am sooooooo lucky. Once I hit the WRs my luck seems to change. You just have to wonder sometimes.

    I will play three or four casinos rotating between them. This seems to work for me. I try not to reverse withdrawals. That is hard not to do when you see that money just sitting there to be begging to be played. :p

    My biggest problem is using Neteller InstaCash to fund a casino and having to wait what seems forever for the funds to clear. I have withdrawals showing up and I can't get them into my checking account because Neteller's third party processor hasn't notified them my withdrawal has cleared. So what do I do! Oh yes I play with my money in my Neteller account.

    What I am considering is a self imposed cooling off period. Play for a while then let all withdrawals and deposits clear. Then start fresh. Also, I have been using my debit card more so I don't have to deal waiting for Neteller.
     
  20. Nov 16, 2006
  21. Addisyn

    Addisyn Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Underground Sewer Access
    And welcome Scounselor! There are no stupid questions in my book. I ask a lot of questions so don't feel shy. :thumbsup:

    Cash out when you win! :D
     
  22. Nov 16, 2006
  23. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I think most of here would argue that MG casinos are not rigged.
    We all have swings of good & bad luck - and that's all it is.
    If anyone is interested I have uploaded 3 of my MG play logs onto my site (on the "Beginners guide to Slots" page) which show 3 contrasting runs of fortune:

    A great winning run; $100 deposit led to $800 withdrawal and I wagered more than 2x the WR!
    A miracle recovery! $225 start crashed right down to $1.07, but recovered to cash out $200 profit!
    A diabolical losing session: $240 start (100% bonus) total blow out not even half way to WR.

    (Hope the mods don't mind me posting this - if so just delete this post!)
     
  24. Nov 16, 2006
  25. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

    Occupation:
    Gaming SEO Specialist & Casino Webmaster
    Location:
    Australia
    We are all aware that RTG slots can be set to three payout % levels...

    Well here is some news that I'm sure not many know & if they do, they're kept in under the covers for years.

    MG casinos can also adjust their payout % levels on slots too!

    Up until a few weeks ago I would have never believed it, but this came from someone who has a solid reputation & has been in the industry for years.
     
  26. Nov 16, 2006
  27. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Hmm thats quite a statement Trezz. I made some enquiries on this a while back and was told that an MG "installation" is standard and cannot be altered. Time to do some more digging :)
     
  28. Nov 17, 2006
  29. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    Loser
    Location:
    Back at my mums
    WOW - I am so shocked. :D :thumbsup:

    Next you will be trying to tell us that Diana wasn't really killed in an accident!! :p
     
  30. Nov 18, 2006
  31. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    San Diego
    Of course not, she's working at a 7-11 in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. Elvis is the store manager.
     
  32. Nov 18, 2006
  33. Addisyn

    Addisyn Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Underground Sewer Access
    Well I for one think the casinos do have a handle they can pull to change the odds midstream. They only have to do it for a little while so as not to fiddle with their payout ratings for the month.

    I just hit free spins on Thunderstruck. 15 free spins not one hit. Then I hit free spins on Tomb Raider. 10 spins one small hit. I hit free spins on Moonshine came away with $3.30 on 8 spins with a multipler of 3x. Huh? Same MG casino. Way too coincidental for me!

    Or I am just bitter I didn't hit a damn thing! :mad:
     
  34. Nov 19, 2006
  35. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    I've been told by more than one "reliable" source that MG casinos cannot do this and I'm pretty sure in all the years they have been operating we'd have found out by now if they could. I also think it would probably reflect in the audited game payouts on a regular basis if they could. Just my own personal belief :)
     
  36. Nov 19, 2006
  37. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    Loser
    Location:
    Back at my mums
    That's crazy....!

    I didn't know there was a 7-11 in Pine Bluff. :D
     

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