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Question If you work for a online casino are you allowed to play while working

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by richie1913, Apr 14, 2015.

    Apr 14, 2015
  1. richie1913

    richie1913 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    dj
    Location:
    Carlisle, Cumbria, United Kingdom
    Its just a question thats been bugging me for a while now so i thought i would ask.

    If you are allowed to play does/or could it give you advantage.

    ps...I have not got or have no plans to get a tin foil hat just yet...
     
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  2. Apr 14, 2015
  3. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall

    Only if you've got the job of the little man who twiddles the RTP knob for each player.
     
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  4. Apr 14, 2015
  5. clubworld

    clubworld Rogue casino operator

    Occupation:
    Casino Manager
    Location:
    UK
    Hi richie1913,

    From my experience most of the on-line casinos will not allow their employees (or even immediate families) to play in the casino they work for.

    Kind Regards,
    Karolina
     
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  6. Apr 14, 2015
  7. paul@bgo

    paul@bgo Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Operations Manager
    Location:
    Norwich, UK
    Nope and nope. No possible advantage can be gained by knowing the info that we have access to, but just from a simple auditing point of view we're not allowed to transact with our own business.
     
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  8. Apr 14, 2015
  9. richie1913

    richie1913 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    dj
    Location:
    Carlisle, Cumbria, United Kingdom
    Thankyou guys and gals i was only asking because my own experience led me to wonder not believe that something is wrong
    By wrong i dont meant dishonest or tinfoil hat,i mean somethings just strange out of whack with normal gameplay
     
  10. Apr 14, 2015
  11. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    What I do have heard is that a lot of people who works in this business are players themselves.

    They play of course at their competitors sites.
    That should tell us all pretty much about most places being trustworthy :thumbsup:
     
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  12. Apr 14, 2015
  13. richie1913

    richie1913 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    dj
    Location:
    Carlisle, Cumbria, United Kingdom
    Has anyone else experienced this:

    bonus active - win win win
    wagering met - lose lose lose

    I have on a lot of sessions

    i really dont want to get spat upon the casions do that for me but why is it the return to player seems to change once wagering is met

    Again please dont hate me i am a low roller who just doesnt get it.


    You win a big amount but it seems that whatever game you play afterwards remembers that you won big.

    Me thinks i might be ordering a tinfoil hat soon i have just reread what i posted..........omg!!
     
  14. Apr 14, 2015
  15. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    life
    Location:
    Northern hemisphere
    I am certainly no expert but the longer you play the more likely you are to loose, the house always wins. I believe that is rule number 1 about slots. So bearing that in mind and depending on wagering requirements that could be the reason why you loose when you meet wagering. So the lesson here is cash out once wagering is complete. Just my opinion:D
     
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  16. Apr 14, 2015
  17. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    I noticed this....

    Hugh hit on .30p earlier with bulk of wagering still to go (154.00 win - £300 WR start with about £260 to go)

    Fairy tale over.

    Lose, lose, lose no features, no wins over x10 stake, just about 'scrape' a minute W/D after weeks of shite play.

    Happened loads of times.

    BUT!

    I have also built 'pennies' (left over 'scrapings' in balance, LP's etc) Free spins into hours and hours of play time and cash outs!
     
  18. Apr 14, 2015
  19. richie1913

    richie1913 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    dj
    Location:
    Carlisle, Cumbria, United Kingdom
    My own experience tells me that yes its a game of chance but heavily favoured in not my direction.

    So if i win big i steer clear of gambling for a few month.For example 1500 won then where ever i go 1500 in before i start to win again

    I know a lot of you will disagree with me but this is just my opinion after 7 years of online gambling i am still convinced that somthing is a miss.

    Plus i have not had a bad run recently but certain events just beg the hell out of me.
     
  20. Apr 14, 2015
  21. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

    Location:
    uk
    I usually find the losing starts when I've either got 10-20% of the wagering to go, or if my balance is equal to or slightly above what's left to wager
     
  22. Apr 16, 2015
  23. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Surely this does not apply when someone who works with you plays from home in a personal capacity. They are then using their own funds, not business funds, and they would only then have the advantage of "inside information".

    I have noticed that most casinos ban their employees from playing at all, even in a personal capacity from home. They even extend the man to members of the employees family, even those that live elsewhere. This gives the impression that this is an "insider information" issue rather than an accounting one.

    The downside is that an operator NEVER gets to test their own product in a live setting, so bugs experienced by customers are never experienced by staff unless they also occur on a competitors site that used the same software an implementation.

    They can't even employ a tester because they would then be unable to live test due to being an employee.
     
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  24. Apr 16, 2015
  25. funnymunny

    funnymunny Sometimes here, always 'away' webby

    Occupation:
    CEO
    Location:
    Isle of Man, Macau or Vegas
    Guilty as charged!


    The software providers I've worked for, you were allowed to play most of theirs and competitors games. (Helps you to better understand the player experience, game features, etc. Playing competitors games also help encourage creativity in the development of our own new games).

    The one set of games were were most definitely not allowed to play was progressives. (Bad PR if you win a progressive produced by the company you work for & (possibly worse) great PR if you won a progressive from a competitor!).


    Whilst I'm freelance in the industry now, I still regularly gamble. When playing slots, I tend to stick to the games from companies where I've previously worked & no, I have absolutely no advantage to gain from doing so.
     
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  26. Apr 16, 2015
  27. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    I think its standard policy to avoid any potential 'mud slinging' than anything else, a 'belt & braces' or 'just in case' scenario.

    We all know there is no advantage etc but if a 'story' gets out regarding a casino employee etc winning big then there could be a world wide tin foil shortage.

    Back when I worked in B&M casino we were not allowed in ANY casino in the whole of the UK, guessing online 'rule' may have started from / be loosely related to this.

    I recall travelling to IOM just for a punt to prove to me and a mate that our roulette 'system' was a pile of steaming horse shite because of this 'ban' rule, how you live n learn eh :oops:
     
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  28. Apr 17, 2015
  29. AlexTu

    AlexTu Dormant account webby

    Occupation:
    I work in gambling industry
    Location:
    Russia
    I dont know about online casinos employees but I know that many affiliated guys gamble. For example, there was one russian forum about poker, and his webmaster was playing online poker, slots and etc... The result - he sold his rights for the forum because of big fat debt. The end:)
     
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  30. Apr 17, 2015
  31. paul@bgo

    paul@bgo Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Operations Manager
    Location:
    Norwich, UK
    It's more hassle than it's worth really. The company isn't going to fold because it excludes a few members of staff and family from playing so why take the risk? If I were to lose £1,000 in my own Casino then what's to say I don't decide to run a random prize draw the next day paying £1,000 and I magically happen to win it? It's easier and much more transparent to simply say noone who has any association with the business can play.

    We also have test accounts that use company cards. These are held by the QA team and transactions are recorded as for test purposes, so we don't pay rev share/tax on them and we can account for them when needed. We're not allowed to play in the Bingo at all, but it's easier to cancel ticket purchases in Bingo so it's a moot point.

    Plus you have to remember we have a UAT environment which is an exact replica of our live environment. If we didn't have this then we'd be shooting in the dark every time we do an update.
     
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  32. Apr 17, 2015
  33. Tobias.R

    Tobias.R Official Rep for Casumo Casino

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    Malta
    Hi Richie1913,

    As for Casumo, I am allowed to play on other casinos but while testing thinks on Casumo I´ll use a test-account with test-founds. I dont know of any advantage I would have but I do know about a disadvantage. As we in the Casino everyday see people using free spins and withdrawing big, depositing small and winning 100-1000 times the deposit you kind of feel "they can do it why wouldn't I be able to do that" and then you try and replicate the session on a competitors site :D.

    / Tobias



     
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  34. Apr 17, 2015
  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    It could also be said that it's more hassle than it's worth to go after family living elsewhere as opposed to keeping it a matter of the employee and the contract of employment. The problem is that the family are adults in their own right, and the employee has no legal authority to tell them what to do, so it would be up to the casino to police the system, but as we all know, they can't even police problem gamblers, duplicate accounts, etc at the point of registration, so what chance that they could figure out that Jane Smith from Cardiff is the sister of their employee Bill Smith who works in their London office, and block her from even registering, let alone playing. Having to look out for this is the real hassle.

    It may have been easier when casinos were licenced in a jurisdiction that prohibited locals from playing, and employees were sourced locally. It would have been an automatic brake on close family and the employee playing.

    Casinos may well find that they DO have family members playing that shouldn't be, but that they can't detect this. As they don't know, they don't see it as a problem unless someone actually tries something, as happened with the Absolute Poker scandal that revolved around a fraud committed by employees who ran special accounts through friends and families that could see all the hole cards. It was the player community that busted the fraud, not the operator, and only because the cheating was so widespread it made itself blindingly obvious to many, and at a level where it could be proven mathematically despite all the denials from the operator.

    If I got a job at, say, 32Red, it's possible that unknown to me, some of my family members might be drawn to play there, and although they know that I play (which is not always the case in families), I doubt it would occur to them that I might "work for the enemy", so they would not think to ask me if it was OK to play there.

    As an exercise, it might be worth asking all employees in your operation how sure they are that this rule is being obeyed by their family members, and how they have gone about policing it. If any are unsure, it's a possibility that a small number of violations have taken place.
     
  36. Apr 17, 2015
  37. paul@bgo

    paul@bgo Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Operations Manager
    Location:
    Norwich, UK
    VWM - it's generally in the contract of employment that people cannot play at their place of work (in this industry anyway). If they have family who choose to play with the operator then I suppose it's a review on a case by case basis but you're right, it can't effectively be policed. The family isn't so much the issue though, it's the individuals who have the ability to award cash to accounts who have to be policed and that is done so quite heavily.

    The Absolute Poker scandal was just a joke, you have to question senior management with cases like that one but it was also the employees who were committing fraud. We're not the only industry to suffer from bad employees, we just have to be more careful with the information and rights we expose them to. If you want to work for a gambling operator then you'll have to agree to a huge amount of checks being done prior to you being given access to any admin system and if you go through a key individual check with a licensing jurisdiction you better be prepared to tell them how long you spend on the toilet in the morning. They're seriously thorough!
     
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  38. Apr 17, 2015
  39. funnymunny

    funnymunny Sometimes here, always 'away' webby

    Occupation:
    CEO
    Location:
    Isle of Man, Macau or Vegas
    No point in questioning Senior Management in this instance, as it was them (inc the company owner) who were the ones defrauding the players...

    "Audio recordings released last week by a former employee of Ultimate Bet include how much money Russ Hamilton, a former owner of the site, admitted to stealing from players. Hamilton said that he siphoned off between $16-$18 million from opponents thanks to a “God Mode” feature, which gave him access to the hole cards of everyone at the table." You must register/login in order to see the link. (also includes the voice recording in question).

    Great 'Executive Summary' of the issue on 2+2 Poker Forum can be found You must register/login in order to see the link.

    There's also dozens of other sites that provide their own versions of what happened. Google "Russ Hamilton" (main 'beneficiary' of the fraud), or "Travis Maker" (Hamilton's former assistant & one of the main aides in revealing what happened).

    /derail
     

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